Most people with cerebral palsy have difficulty with basic activities of daily living. Activities that are typically difficult for people with cerebral palsy include getting dressed, bathing, toileting, and eating. Many people with cerebral palsy also experience difficulties with communication and mobility.
Most people with cerebral palsy have difficulty with basic activities of daily living. Activities that are typically difficult for people with cerebral palsy include getting dressed, bathing, toileting, and eating. Many people with cerebral palsy also experience difficulties with communication and mobility.
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Win Kelly Charles is a 4 time published author and motivational speaker.Born with Cerebral Palsy, Win Charles has defied the odds by becoming an author, artist and athlete. Her memoir "I, Win" is an amazing story of how she remembers her life growing up as a disabled woman living in a non-disabled world.
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Jimmy Clare: Okay. welcome to another episode of Crazy Fitness Guy healthy Living Podcast.
I just met a really cool person. her name is Wynn Charles. I believe she wrote like twelve or
13 books. and I eventually wanted to create my own book. I said it. I was trying to keep that
a secret, but once, I met her, it slipped. Anyway, and as a writer, she wins that race. 13 books
or 14, she'll let you know for the exact number, but she puts me to shame. anyway, I'm going
to let, Wendy do all the talking because, she has a very fascinating story about herself and I
invited her on because I'm always looking for new people to meet and, to meet more new
friends every single day. So when take it away.
Win Charles: Well, thanks Jimmy, for having me on. And yes, Jimmy is correct in one sense. I
am an eleven time published author. all my work could be found on my website. Askwin
Weebly.com. I'll hand that to Jimmy so he could stick it in the show notes. By the way, you
guys, I think you should go, listen to my podcast and go listen to Jimmy's interview on my
podcast because I do have a podcast. Oh, did I mention I am, becoming a journalist? And did
I also mention that on top of all this craziness, I have a neurological disability called cerebral
Jimmy Clare: as I said, she makes me really look bad. Eleven books, I got zero.
Win Charles: Yes, and I started kicking it into high gear in journalism back, in 2010. But I
didn't really kick it until I get until March of this year because I had a day job. I was in the
education space for 13 years, up until COVID hit, and education space let me go. And I
realized when I was coming home from a business trip that I, was coming home to no job,
and I started to cry on well, I started crying on an airplane coming back from Orlando,
Florida, and I didn't know why. And then when I got to Chicago International Airport with
the person I was traveling with, I realized why I started fly on that flight. And basically, what
I have been doing for the past five months is not only going back to school, but, back to
school to get a second grade, but journalism work to the 10th grade.
Jimmy Clare: Jeez, what made you want to become a journalist anyway?
Win Charles: What made me want to become a journalist? Well, 19 years ago today, as we sit
here, we call it in this interview, it's September 11. And for those of you that are old and
young and remember what happened on September 1119 years ago today, when two planes
flew, three planes flew in, one to the Pentagon, one, two to the World Trade Center, and
change aviation forever, and change our lives forever. And so what really made me what
stood a passion inside me is that when I realized that people will be impacted by journalism.
Win Charles: On 911 and how incredibly hard the journalists work on 911. And this is before
the world pandemic, mind you. And so that just really kicked it into high gear. And I was
lucky enough to later on, in May of 2000 and 119 years ago, I was lucky enough to go to
National Public Radio and see a story drop on. They were doing a story on Guantanamo Bay.
And I was so fascinated by the equipment that I could care less about the story, but I put a
microphone in front of me. And so that's what led me on this interesting path to become a
journalist. And a lot of people don't know that I want to become a journalist because of what
happened on that 911.
Jimmy Clare: I actually remember, I was at 911 during 911. I was, it was i, was in school, and
I think it was, May. It was kindergarten.
Win Charles: No.
Jimmy Clare: Was it? No. May elementary School. No, I think it was kindergarten, because it
was definitely not, I never yeah, I think it was, I think it was kindergarten. I think anyway.
But, my mom picked me up, ah, at school and she brought me back home. all the schools
were dismissed, everyone was sent home early and, my parents were all upset, as everyone.
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parents didn't, let me watch the news. Because back then, who wants to let their, like, who
wouldn't want to let their kids watch the depressing news? but later, growing up, over the
years, when I saw recaps of what happened, that's when I knew exactly what happened. only
the last two, only the last two days, I mean, the last, two years, I stopped, watching the recap.
Not because of, anything, not because, I think I would forget. Sometimes I don't want to
forget about it or move on, but it's too sad. And I always remember it. And I always
remember it, but I just want to like, as you probably seen on TV, they used to show it every
single year on certain channels. Now you have to go searching for that channel for it to be
Win Charles: I didn't even open up the news this morning on my Amazon Smart speaker
because I, know it's just way too much for, those of us to remember what went on. It's just
way too much. And those of us who were younger and those of us who were older,
remember exactly where we were and what we were doing and how many TVs were pulled
into different rooms so that people could watch what was going on. And I remember a
person distinctly saying to all of us, a group of kids, I was in a room with kindergarten, I
believe kindergarten through 8th grade, and I, of course, was in back of room. And, the
principal told myself and colleagues and the students and colleagues that we weren't
allowed to leave. We weren't allowed to leave. And I believe that a lot of principals, did that
the further from the East Coast that we were because they weren't sure what was going to
happen. They weren't sure what was going to happen as to if we let these kids go, what is
going to happen next? And, like, your parents, a lot of parents were calling schools to figure
out what to do next. And I distinctly remember my principal saying to me, you're not going
to have to leave until I give the go bus where you can leave. then you can leave eventually, by
the time Zille cock rolled around, we were allowed to leave. But I remember coming home
and not being allowed to watch the news. Only, like you, Jimmy. Only when I got older did I
realize exactly what happened. Although I did watch the first plane, fly into the World Trade
Center, but I wasn't sure what was going on. I honestly thought it was a joke.
Jimmy Clare: Yeah, I didn't know what's going on either. and I think, before this episode gets
too depressing, I think we should change directions of this episode.
Win Charles: Yes.
Jimmy Clare\: Because, not to get off topic or anything, but, before, we started this episode, I
had to read this reading for class. And the last, two readings that we read was the most
depressing thing I ever read in my life. And I was like, this is great. And of course, we're
doing the synthetic on 911. It's like, this keeps getting better and better.
Win Charles: Getting better and better.
Jimmy Clare: Okay, so how can we make this show, more upbeat? okay, how many books are
you planning to write?
Win Charles: I am, working on my 12th and 13th. They're going to be published by
publisher, I do it well, now I do it high blend for the majority, of my published work. It was
self, published work. So I want to write 20 books in the span of my lifetime, but I am
working on twelve and 13 as we speak.
Jimmy Clare: do you mind if I ask you how old you are? I'm not trying to sound no.
Win Charles: I am 33 years old and I am living with my Step mom. I lost and my fan base
knows this. I lost both my parents. one, in 2010, I lost my mom, and then in 2019, I lost my
Jimmy Clare: Jeez, I'm sorry to hear that.
Win Charles: So I've outlived both my parents.
Jimmy Clare: I bet you you could hit, that 20 book goal, before I.
Win Charles: plan to do it. And yeah, after I did my journalism degree, my journalism degree
is taking up the other than podcasting. It's taking up the majority of my time right now.
Jimmy Clare: I definitely hear on that, everything is taking up my time. the last time, we
talked, I just finally hit 500, total plays on my podcast.
Win Charles: Well, the good news is I have been known to like podcast feeds because people
know it's me. And so as soon as this episode comes out, I'll be sharing it. So you'll get more
podcast feed plays, then you know what to do with because it's me.
Jimmy Clare: Definitely. I was wondering, do you ever feel like, I never like the word
disability, but do you ever feel like, what makes you,
Jimmy Clare: m. I'm trying to think of a different word because I, I absolutely hate that word
disability. Because it's like you telling somebody that they're disabled when they can still
find oh, definitely able.
Win Charles: Let's say that. Definitely able.
Jimmy Clare: Okay, let's go with that then. Do you ever find that, it holds you back?
Win Charles: when I learned about the complexities of cerebral palsy, I had to do my own
research, so to speak. I knew there was something wrong with me when I was six years old
and couldn't kick a soccer ball straight. And then realizing that and then when I was in 7th
grade, my mom sat me down and said, you have CP. Well by the time I was in high school, I
started googling CP and did a little stove in my back of pocket and realized how huge my
disability was. And then I had to go get psychology exam for something else. And then I
realized that the two woods attacks the aspastic the psychologist put in front of the woods
cerebral palsy. I realized, okay, two scary woods that ah, I don't know about but yet they
have something to do with me and a taxiusbastic. Cerebral palsy is one of the most common
cerebral palsies out there. And then in 2019 I hit block bottom after losing my dad. And so
again, the journalist that I am and the curiosity researcher that I am, I asked physical,
therapist and a PT student, I said, well, is cerebral palsy above the joint condition or no
logical condition? They both looked at me and said when you have a neurological condition.
And it was so interesting to me that no one said to me, you have cerebral palsy. This is what
it is. No one said that to me. Everyone Googled it. Everyone thought I knew. And I actually
called a friend of mine right after discovering it. And I said, look, this is what I just found out.
Did you know in the time that you were working with me that this was what Sale policy
Jimmy Clare: Ah.
Win Charles: And she goes, yeah. And I said, well, you didn't tell me. And she goes, you knew
by now what your disability was. So it has come into my attention that both my parents
were in denial and they didn't want to tell me. And yeah, both my parents were in denial and
they didn't want to tell me.
Jimmy Clare: Jeez. to be honest, I kind of have a similar story as well. May not very same, but,
my parents knew, that I was autistic. I think a lot of my cousins knew. but someone on the
autistic spectrum doesn't always know that they're autistic. for, instance, it wasn't until I'm
just going to give you, just give the audience kind of a guess, an estimate. But I probably
didn't really figure it out until maybe, probably maybe 9th grade, eight, 10th, maybe even a
little bit later in high school. Because, it's not that anybody was keeping a secret for me, but,
I knew that I was in a smaller class. but it's not like I really paid attention to the other
classes. I went into the bigger classrooms. I just thought it was like, oh, my class was just in a
smaller room because, I don't know, there's only so many rooms, big rooms in school. So I
just didn't know that they just kind of I didn't know if they just shoved this in that room just
because that was just the room that they have on hand. Ah. and maybe somebody could call
me naive, but when I was growing up, I absolutely hated public school. Ask anybody, that
knows me very well. I hated public school. It's not even just that. I just hated school in
general. And because I was I don't say studying, but I was learning things I didn't like to
learn. Except for my except for, 7th and 8th grader, all my classes were basically in special
education. And, my teacher, made science fun and she said, like, oh, you get to do the science
experiments in high school. Wait until you see it. Well, when I got to high school, I don't
think I did one science experiment whatsoever. And if I did, it was the lamest experiment in
the world. Hey, maybe that's what the experiment was. it was so lame that see how lame we
can be in the whole high school years? No science experiments whatsoever. Take the fun out
Win Charles: Yeah. Take the fun out of the school. Yeah, exactly. and so you either have great
teachers or you don't. And what the funny thing is that, until I did my own research on my
own disability in high school, no one would have told me. And until I put the blood vessic up,
and asked questions, no one would have told me. So even though I was diagnosed with
cerebral palsy back in 87, I didn't know the complexities of it until 32 years later. I didn't
know that it was a neurological disability. I didn't know that I would need help for the rest of
my life. But now that I know that I have a deeper and truly appreciate the help that I do have,
Jimmy Clare: Also appreciate, a lot of that stuff as well. for the years, I didn't know, that I
found out on my own accord. And I probably would have to say I don't think I would take it
very well if somebody told me I was autistic. Because at the time, I didn't know what that
meant until I Googled it. But now I kind of look at it as it makes me unique, doesn't, make me
strange. I'm tired. And, this is do you like.
Jimmy Clare: Promotion. but I have to say, I am tired of all those kind of, influencers,
celebrity influencers who are saying autism needs to be cured, because it really does not
need to be cured. what needs to be cured is cancer.
Win Charles: Thank you. It doesn't need and, I'll just put this in there just to make you feel
better. Jimmy. I've done research on vaccines and autism. I actually, in high school, wrote a
paper on vaccines and autism. And this thing about vaccines and autism, no, it's not true at
all by science.
Jimmy Clare: Vaccines don't cause autism, and so vaccines.
Win Charles: Don'T cause autism at all, so.
Jimmy Clare: It.
Win Charles: Doesn'T need to be cured. CP, I don't care. And all, bach and squawk until I
close my eyes and amid diet on my deathbed about this, but all bach and squawk that there's
not enough awareness about CP. There's enough research about CP. And I don't know how, I
don't know if we could do any more research about autism or, cerebral palsy. We need
awareness now. We need to have people get there.
Win Charles: The stick out of their asses. I'm sorry, but this whole controversy about autism
is caused by vaccine. By vaccines. And cerebral palsy is cerebral palsy. Give me a break
Jimmy Clare: I definitely agree with you because I, have to say, by any means, I'm not using
this as I'm not trying to sound like a baby or anything. but it's kind of offensive of just even
saying such things. Saying that, autism is called by vaccines. Because basically you're saying
that, I wouldn't have gotten autism if I didn't have a vaccine. thanks. Basically my parents
could have prevented that. it's all gene related and everything. It's what I was born with. So I
don't care. It makes me who I am. Don't like it, don't talk to me.
Win Charles: That's the way I feel about it. That's the way I feel about it. Now that I know
about the complexities of I don't give a flying VAT if, people see me walking through airport,
people are amazed that I can fly with help. And it's like, yeah, so I can fly and I just need help
to get on the airplane, but I can fly like every other person on a planet. And what drives me
nuts is that people don't believe us when people don't believe when people with disabilities
say, hello, we have a college degree, or we're getting a college degree. And it drives me nuts.
All the connotations around disabilities. And the reason why I'm getting a journalism degree
is because I want to be a voice for the voiceless. I not only want to be a, voice for the
disabled, but I want to be a voice for caregivers who care for the disabled. To make them
stand up, to make their voices shine as well.
Jimmy Clare: I think what they really should call, us, instead of disabled, I think they should
call us The Doers. Because.
Win Charles: I absolutely love it. The Doers.
Jimmy Clare: Somebody can quit me on that.
Win Charles: I absolutely love it, the doers Because I know once I'm on a mission, I see it. So
I have what I like to call dog with bone syndrome. Give me a mission and give me i, don't
know if you know this old adage, but your audience probably does the Chaot and the Stick
method. If you tell me we're going to do something but there's going to be a carrot at the
end, I see that mission through. Like there's no small, and I tell people about it. I ask
questions. I, see that mission through.
Jimmy Clare: Me. Both. when somebody starts a hard test my way, I might have to ask all the
questions until I'm bloomed in the face.
Win Charles: Yeah, blue in the face.
Jimmy Clare: I think one of my professors yesterday, I was asking her a question, even
though she repeated herself multiple times to many of the people who had the same
question, but some reason my brain wasn't, wrapping their thoughts around, how to answer
this one question that she was asking. And so then I stayed after to talk to her about
something else. I'm not going to go into that because one on one confidential, but I asked her
about the sun, and I told her, look, I'm sorry for all the questions. I know you already just
received all the questions, but my brain is just not wrapping it's not wrapping around.
Finally, once she told me basically everything, just kind of, like, spelled it out for me,
basically. After answering the same question over and over again on my third or fourth time,
with a few other people in my class, it finally clicked to me. And it's like, oh, I get it now. So
right after that meeting, after class, I just sat down, I wrote 300 400 words, or whatever it
was, to answer the question. And I was like, wow, why did my brain make this seem harder
than it really was? And it really wasn't. And I was like, I could write 400 words in my sleep.
Win Charles: Yeah, English, is my strong point. English composition is my strong point. All I
need to do is get a little bit of help organizing it. But other than that, English Composition is
my strong point, and storytelling is my strong point.
Jimmy Clare: So I have a question for, you, did you start with your, website first, or did you
start with your, podcast?
Win Charles: I started with my book first, and then when I, hit the publishing button, it
would have been ten years ago now, and ten years ago October. And when I hit the
publishing button, I thought, oh, great, now I have a book. Great. I'm a published author. But
how in the world am I supposed to market the dang book, not to let it collect dust on
Amazon and, on the bookshelves of Amazon? And I'm like, great. So, at the time, I was
listening to a podcast called The Creative Pen, all about book publishing. And then I just
decided to first of all, I tried YouTube, which is still up, by the way. My attempt at YouTube is
still up. And so, I tried YouTube, and then I literally had a fan come to me one day, and she
happened to be a closing stylist at the time. And she literally said, Win, I love you, but I can't
keep my laptop open to, support you while I'm working. I need something that can be
portable. I need something that could be portable and I could listen to you. And so then I
said, okay, meet my fan base where they're at, which it's, wonderful that I did. And then I'm
like, okay, what's next? So little old me, sneaks into a Facebook group and then, asked what's
the best podcast host? And little me goes over to that podcast host, figured out how to start
up a podcast, and figured out how to get the artwork and do all that stuff. And I launched my
podcast back in October of 2010. And ever since then, it's been going strong and it's been
going good. And I've got to meet amazing people and interview amazing people like you,
because, that's how I do. So I started with the book. It landed up turning into a podcast. And
then I started with my book and then went to my website and then went to the podcast.
Jimmy Clare: Jeez. so here's another question for you. Not trying to add anything to your play
or anything, but, ever since I met you, we haven't met in person. And boy, I would love to.
Win Charles: Half of my fan base has met me in person. And man, that was an interesting
experience when we were allowed to go meet people in person. Man, that was an interesting
experience. Good grief. I didn't realize how many people listened to as how, many people
followed me online. It's like good leaf.
Jimmy Clare: Anyway, just curiosity, when this whole, pandemic is over, well, it's going to be
two questions in one, sorry. one, where are you located anyway?
Win Charles: I am located in beautiful Aspen Colada.
Jimmy Clare: and, perhaps maybe one day we can meet in person after this whole
Win Charles: Yeah.
Jimmy Clare\: but before that, I was just wondering, not trying to add anything to your plate,
but ever since I, met you, online, and now we're talking on my podcast, you gave me
inspiration of, actually writing a book. I've contemplating, with notes on, my book. And I
have notes, ah, I wouldn't even say close to even how much a book, how many pages there
are in a book. but my question is, would, you be willing to teach me how to self publish?
Win Charles: And this goes for anyone listening. I would be honored to help you, self publish.
Because then you can say, I know. More excuses. I have written a book. And so many people
have come to me and said, when I want to write a book, I want to write a book. I want to
write a book. How do you do it? And I could teach you how to do it. And I have the resources
to, help you and the resources on how to do a book. And it's actually amazing. Expands.
Jimmy Clare: Well, you know, and, and for all my, listeners out there, where are we located?
I'm not going to make any promises that there's a book coming, because, right now I'm in
school, in college, this semester, and, it's hectic working online, so I'm not making any
promises. I'm not talking myself out of any of this, but, I don't want anybody just to, write
me emails and saying, where's your book? And it's like, I don't have one. And I don't want to
explain why I don't have one. Yeah, maybe one day.
Win Charles: Give people time, space and grace, you guys, and you'll see what we can do
Jimmy Clare: After college, I'm hoping my public speaking career, happened, during college,
because I'm tired of this whole pandemic. And I'm tired.
Win Charles: Yeah, I think the rest of us are tired, too.
Jimmy Clare: I think the last three or four episodes, I always mention one thing about the
pandemic. Let's keep that m, streak going.
Win Charles: Yeah.
Jimmy Clare: Anyway, where can people, find you, all your podcast, social media, and.
Win Charles: Your website, Askwin Weebly.com. Or they can Google my name and it should
pop up. I'm all over the place, including Amazon smart speakers. Google smart speakers. Yes.
And so I'm all over the place, and I like to be everywhere. And I primarily hang out on
Facebook and Twitter, and you guys can just follow my journey.
Jimmy Clare: you said you're on Instagram too, right?
Win Charles: I am. I, have two Instagram accounts. One being ask Ask. So it's Ask Win. W-I-N
the other one being Ask Win. 622 SK W-I-N. 622.
Jimmy Clare: In total. How many profiles do you have.
Win Charles: In total? I have, facebook, Instagram, Twitter and LinkedIn. So that's about four.
Jimmy Clare: I guess I should not say how many I have.
Win Charles: yeah, people can basically find me everywhere, and people can listen to the
podcast on Tuesday, on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays.
Jimmy Clare: well, I think in total, Crazy Fitness Guy has one, too many, i, think in total, 20.
Win Charles: Well, now, social, media is something that keeps us all connected.
Jimmy Clare: Well, what's funny? What's, funny? for me, I only have Facebook, Twitter, and
Instagram, and yet, Crazy Fitness Guy is more popular than me, even though it's my own
Win Charles: But, even though it's your own work. Yes. Crazy fitness guy is more popular
than you. But that's so funny because, my first name is my brand. So when is my legal name
and how it's spelled as my legal name. So, I use my first name as my brand. So it's interesting
to see how many people like that, and a lot of people do.
Jimmy Clare: I think after, we wrap this podcast up, I think we got to follow each other
Win Charles: I welcome anyone to follow me and anyone to, give me a shout out and come
on my podcast and be interviewed.
Jimmy Clare: one more question before we go, because I know you're busy, I'm busy,
everybody's busy, we're all busy. would it be possible, I don't know about the rest of my year
this year, because there's, what, September, October. 3 months left in the year. I'm not
counting September, because we already end it. but, I was wondering, would you want to be
a guest on my podcast again sometime in the future?
Win Charles: I would up. The more awareness we can gain on people with disabilities, the
better, because we're not flakes of nature, you guys. We have what we have, and we deal with
it with grace and style.
Jimmy Clare: And I, got one more question. I know I just said that, but oh, well, I break my
own rules on my show.
Win Charles: Yeah, like your own will.
Jimmy Clare: Yeah, sometimes I try not to, but yet I do it anyway. what, as a, as a, as an
entrepreneur? do you find it's hard to stay focused?
Win Charles: no, because I now have a job that I absolutely love. So me sitting here for the
last time, I'm talking to you doesn't seem like work. It just seems like another day doing
what I love. Whereas when I was in the education space and shout out to all my educator
friends up there and all the educators that are still in the education space this year, I slugged
along. I was the, typical person that loved the day off. Now give me a day off. Can I get back
to work? Can I get back to work? Because, as they say, if you have a job you love, you never
work in your life.
Jimmy Clare: I don't know who says that said that quote, but they are spot on. Because.
Win Charles: They are spot on.
Jimmy Clare: I definitely like what I did, too.
Win Charles: what I've been doing now after 13 years of being in the education space, I'm so
happy that I lost my job. I'm in the happiest kid on the planet that I lost my job. I'm like by
job, because I just feel like raising awareness for sale. Halsey is, my calling. And, when I get
off this podcast.
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Win Charles: Inspired one person to put 1ft in front of the other to put to masked up, as they
say, to go into work to deal with those kids, especially in the education space. My job is done.
Jimmy Clare: Yeah, I have to say the same thing. unfortunately for me, there's, some people
my life trying to push, ah, me to try to get an actual job. Job where I'm working for a boss.
I've done that for a few years. Not full time, just part time for summer jobs. But I have to say,
I think out of all the summer jobs I had so far, I've been alive for 26 years. So far, 27 in
October. I really haven't liked any of the things I've done and I know that's only summer jobs,
but I have never met one person and ah, I could be wrong, but I don't think I've ever met one
person said that I love my job. I've gone to the same place in the same building, work from
whatever to whatever. because eventually it gets old, it gets boring. You see the same people
on the subway or if you're in New York or whatever city, why do you want me to have a job?
It sounds like a fun life and no offense to anybody who does that, I get it, that's what you do
and kudos to you and maybe you like it, but that's not for me.
Win Charles: I agree with you halfway. If I ever had to get a job again, I would go, I would not
go back into the education space. I would stay in the journalism space and do a w two job. I
would do anything w two job related in the creative.
Jimmy Clare: Definitely. And, before we wrap up, I like to say when it was great to having you
on, and, man, I wish we could just keep going in, because, my goodness, it was a pleasure
talking with you. And, I feel like you're a very big inspirational for people with extra
challenges like me and everyone else in the world. And I'm writing like even though you
haven't written twelve and 13 books yet, I mean they're in progress, but just to write that
many books so far, at least you make it inspirational of that you make me want to go write
my own book right now.
Win Charles: all my books could be found on Amazon if you just type in my name, win W-I-N
Toll, Chales and Google. I win that you guys can find my books.
Jimmy Clare: And I hope I can have you back on because I could go like all day talking to you
and one game, we get bored.
Win Charles: Yeah, well, you can have me back on in the future.
Jimmy Clare: Sweet. And let's stay in touch.
Win Charles: Thank you. Bye.
Jimmy Clare: See ya.