Unlocking Personal Growth for Neurodivergent Minds: Self-Forgiveness and Self-Acceptance for a Kinder You

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And I'm going to save the rest for later. Gosh,

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if I didn't speak. Today, my guest is Christoph

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Morrow. And he is... Give me a second. Pull out

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my information. He's a veteran author, award

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-winning journalist that sold more than 1 ,200

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copies of his book, The Second Son. And he lives

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in Vancouver, British Columbia. And today we're

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going to be talking about self -forgiveness.

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And, yeah, we're going to talk about self -forgiveness.

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Gosh, if I didn't speak. That's what happens

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when your mind is on everything else, on everything

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else. Damn. Anyway, let's welcome Matt. Hello.

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Shakespeare. Shakespeare. Hello, Jimmy. Good

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evening. So, before we get started, can you tell

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us a little bit about who you are, what you do,

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how you got started, and why you got started?

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Shakespeare. Well, like you said, I'm a disabled

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Navy veteran. I'm an author. I won some awards

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as a journalist and as a photographer. in journalism

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also uh in short fiction and poetry at this couple

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of universities i went to well not the universities

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colleges um and i went to uh and i just moved

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actually back to the united states i moved to

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shakespeare i went to south carolina like two

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days ago so this is brand new yeah shakespeare

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yeah Did it feel weird when you moved and then

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you come back over? Does it feel weird? Shakespeare,

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yeah. Especially moving from Canada, there really

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is an entirely different personality to most

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of the people there. They're much more serene.

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They're relaxed. I think the health care. Everybody

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here is wound up tight and just always angry.

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Trying to get from one place to another, like

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trying to capitalize on time as much as they

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can, I think. That's what it is. Shakespeare.

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I get that. So my first question for you is,

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how did you come up with the title? Pardon me,

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I think I got my notes again. The second song?

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Yeah, the second song. My brain is all over the

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place. It's actually a member to the plot. It

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would be giving it away if I told you what it

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meant. But essentially, it is loosely a reference

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to the notion that there's sort of catastrophic

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climate change and all the qualities of a sun.

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If there were a second one, it's much like the

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way we see that every year it's getting hotter

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and hotter. But anyway, the book is an allegory

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for generational wealth inequality and a bunch

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of other stuff. It's an epic fantasy, actually.

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Sounds interesting. I'll definitely check it

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out. My next question for you is, how does one

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practice self -forgiveness? Shakespeare. You

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know, I find that recognizing your worth through

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the love of others is a very helpful place to

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start. I think that a lot of people think that

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friendship isn't, it shouldn't be about reciprocity,

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but it is. Shakespeare, it ultimately is. It's

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supposed to be freely given, of course. But ultimately,

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self -forgiveness is about discovering that,

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discovering peace from others. And I mean, really,

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that's the only way to move forward. Shakespeare.

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Shakespeare, because I have Tourette's. I ruminate

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on everything from when I was a kid to now. Anything

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that I've ever done that I feel ashamed of. And

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because of the extraordinary amount of abuse

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I faced as a kid, I've mutilated myself a lot.

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Not because I want to, but because it's a member

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to my illness, Shakespeare, from Tourette's.

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Um, so I've given myself like black eyes and

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bloody lips and, um, I, I, I've lost a lot of,

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uh, well, my hand's kind of deformed now, actually

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my right hand, cause I've hit it on things so

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much. Um, and so like, I've had to really sort

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of embrace the notion of forgiveness, uh, for

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yourself, because if you mean to live a life

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of, uh, virtue and valor, uh, that's all really

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you can ask. That's really all you can ask. You

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do the best you can to make it right. And that's

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it. That's all you can do. I can agree with that,

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especially because I did some stuff growing up

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in public school that I was not proud of. And

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let's say I metaphorically burned some of those

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bridges that I created with some people. And

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some people forgave me, and then there's some

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people who did not forgive me. Years later, those

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people still looked at me as the same way as

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I was back then and say, no, I'm definitely not

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the same. But since they didn't stay connected

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with me, they didn't see any change. They kept

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on seeing me as the old me and say, I improved

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a lot. I mean, I'm not perfect whatsoever, but...

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I forgive myself for taking me many years to

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forgive myself. But the people who've stayed

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with me and are sending me to who I am today,

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I cherish those people because they don't look

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at me like the person who I was, let's say, 15

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years ago or 16 years ago. Maybe a little bit

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more than that. Time flies. We all evolve, I

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think. Yeah, Shakespeare. We all evolve. And

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we hope at the end of our lives that we would

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achieve, we would have earned some kind of peace,

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knowing that we did what we could to earn the

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love that we have. Shakespeare. So my next question

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for you is, why do you think some people have

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not forgiven themselves on stuff that they...

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They're either regretting or stuff they haven't

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done. Why do you think that is? I think often

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it's social conditioning. We're conditioned not

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to believe we deserve it. But I don't know a

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single person who's flawless. Even the people

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who I know who are extraordinarily kind and charitable

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have done things that would not flatter them.

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at all in front of if it were discovered you

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know if people knew about it right but we we

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all uh and i mean we all share in that i think

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and so i think that we should take some some

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solace in the notion that it's universal that

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failure is universal uh especially towards one

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another like failure towards one another and

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uh failure to uh uh maintain harmony um I don't

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know. An ecosystem of peace, right? Shakespeare.

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Yeah, Shakespeare. I agree with that, too. You

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know, I also believe that I also believe that,

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you know, I always like to be transparent with,

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like, I don't go into all the details of my what

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happened years ago. I do give hints here and

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there, but I like to be open about it because

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then people say, like maybe years later, somebody

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might dig it up later on and say, this person

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lied. And it's like, no, I'm not lying. And so

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I have to be 100 % transparent because I always

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believe in karma. And it's like, they'll bite

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you in the butt later on. And no thanks. I think

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especially because they always say what goes

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around comes around. And so I like that too.

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So karma can go both ways. Sometimes lately it's

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been most likely biting me in the butt sometimes,

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especially with statistics. I hate statistics.

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Oh man, you don't tell me. Shakespeare, I took

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statistics in college and I, oh God, it was the

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worst. I really, yeah, I loathed it. Every second

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in that class, Shakespeare. I'm literally banging

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my head and studying four days by the phone.

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I'm like, I can't get rid of this numbers in

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my head. Every time I go to bed at night, I see

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numbers. It's like, I see pretty numbers. Shakespeare.

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Shakespeare. So my next question for you is,

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what are some ways for people to start forgiving

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themselves for stuff they have done or have not

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done? Well, I think we are all, I think it's

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member to our psyche as a human, every human

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wants to contribute to their community. And in

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fact, I feel like it's, It's also a quality to

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our fear, our anxiety that we want to contribute

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to our community because we want to have some

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kind of worth, you know, and so we're not dispensable.

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Right. So I think curing a lot of anxiety around

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forgiveness is about embracing the thing that

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you love to do that also contributes to the welfare

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of the people around you. So to do a great deal

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of work selfless, and to do it selflessly and

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do it with affection and do it with discipline,

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there's really no alternative, truly. Because

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you find peace through the love of others and

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through the warmth and the joy of friendship

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is where we derive it all in the end, all our

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happiness. I think one way how I, forgive myself

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for the stuff I've done is those people who stayed

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with me I wrote a very sincere apology for all

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the stuff I did that they've been around witnessed

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etc and it meant a lot to me that they just read

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it in front of me I mean they said like oh you

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know how to do this and I was like No, I really

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had to do this. Because there were some times

00:17:47.190 --> 00:17:51.890
I had restless nights, and there were some nights

00:17:51.890 --> 00:17:56.089
where I couldn't sleep with my eyes closed. My

00:17:56.089 --> 00:18:01.509
autistic brain kind of plays stuff on a replay,

00:18:01.750 --> 00:18:07.099
kind of like a... Like a belt that just goes

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around and around or a hamstring belt, whatever.

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And it just never ends. And so sometimes if I

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see something in a movie, like if it's very...

00:18:22.580 --> 00:18:26.559
scary to me my brain just remember it's always

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bad things like it remembers lines and whatnot

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but it was like something really graphic my brain

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just remembers is like uh -oh no like i'll give

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you an example my mom was watching this one tv

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show and i caught a glimpse of it and had like

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flashbacks and everything and i'm not gonna say

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what the what was on the flashbacks and everything

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but it had like very graphic scenes and whatnot.

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And it was like, it's a police show and whatnot.

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And I was like, they really did not need to put

00:19:02.410 --> 00:19:04.690
these flashbacks in here. As I, it's one thing,

00:19:04.769 --> 00:19:09.390
it was like a pre -recorded video, like a part

00:19:09.390 --> 00:19:10.829
of the story, but they didn't like, they didn't

00:19:10.829 --> 00:19:12.990
need to put the whole flashbacks and had to see

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every little nook and cranny of this happening.

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And I was like, no thanks. But that stayed in

00:19:18.750 --> 00:19:21.190
my mind. And there was a few nights where I had

00:19:21.190 --> 00:19:24.869
like, really bad dreams is like, okay, next time

00:19:24.869 --> 00:19:27.089
when my mom's watching this show, I'm leaving

00:19:27.089 --> 00:19:31.349
the hell out of this room. Just because my brain

00:19:31.349 --> 00:19:33.609
will play it on replay and it's like, I don't

00:19:33.609 --> 00:19:38.049
need this. Yeah, Shakespeare. My next question

00:19:38.049 --> 00:19:43.069
for you is how do you practice forgiveness and

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how do you practice forgiving others? Well, I

00:19:48.589 --> 00:19:50.890
think that a lot of people would say that oftentimes

00:19:51.979 --> 00:19:54.279
whatever trespasses are committed against you

00:19:54.279 --> 00:19:57.440
are often a reflection of what they're experiencing,

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the turmoil within themselves. The unfair or

00:20:03.859 --> 00:20:08.380
unkind things they say to you and do, those are

00:20:08.380 --> 00:20:13.859
a product of insecurity. And so trying to retain

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that, I find that's really hard to do, to actually

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practice that. So I really feel like it has to

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come from within. And if you want to receive

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forgiveness, you have to be willing to submit

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it for others. I think that's really the only

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way. I mean, you have to have a mentality. You

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have to cradle. Your life and your consciousness

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and your habits have to live in a cradle of forgiveness.

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Shakespeare. I agree with that. I got bullied

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growing up in public school for eight years.

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And I wouldn't say I've forgiven any of those

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bullies because I've never seen them ever again.

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But to be honest, I wouldn't be where I am today

00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:15.599
of overcoming bullying and whatnot if it wasn't

00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:23.269
for them. I still have somewhat of a unique story

00:21:23.269 --> 00:21:28.069
growing up, but also they kind of completed that

00:21:28.069 --> 00:21:32.849
part of my story in my life, and it kind of took

00:21:32.849 --> 00:21:36.789
where my podcast and businesses were today. So

00:21:36.789 --> 00:21:40.730
I don't think I would really have a full, complete

00:21:40.730 --> 00:21:44.190
story without them. So I was like, thank you,

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but I was like... So I kind of thank them for

00:21:49.450 --> 00:21:51.670
it, but then kind of not thank them at the same

00:21:51.670 --> 00:21:55.789
time because get bullying sucks, but to overcome

00:21:55.789 --> 00:21:59.569
it, it's really, really big. I mean, it feels

00:21:59.569 --> 00:22:02.250
really great. And to be able to share with my

00:22:02.250 --> 00:22:05.170
story with other people is really great too.

00:22:05.289 --> 00:22:10.849
So it's kind of a win -win situation. Shakespeare,

00:22:11.369 --> 00:22:16.900
I understand that sentiment. It's funny because

00:22:16.900 --> 00:22:22.079
people often who have been on the receiving end

00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:30.740
of horrible trauma from loved ones, I don't believe

00:22:30.740 --> 00:22:36.779
that forgiveness is meant to be so thorough that

00:22:36.779 --> 00:22:39.799
you still allow some of these people to remain

00:22:39.799 --> 00:22:42.710
in your life. Sometimes you really do have to

00:22:42.710 --> 00:22:46.170
sever yourself from these people. To make that

00:22:46.170 --> 00:22:49.009
distinction is really hard to know whether or

00:22:49.009 --> 00:22:51.609
not you can forgive them and then allow them

00:22:51.609 --> 00:22:56.670
to remain in your orbit, the orbit of your existence.

00:22:59.210 --> 00:23:03.029
But it really comes down to whether or not they

00:23:03.029 --> 00:23:07.670
take accountability and truly make effort to

00:23:07.670 --> 00:23:16.250
change. and to sustain that. Shakespeare. I like

00:23:16.250 --> 00:23:21.069
what you said there because I could have some

00:23:21.069 --> 00:23:25.710
people in my life who, let's just say I had a

00:23:25.710 --> 00:23:31.589
friend who was there for me during bullying when

00:23:31.589 --> 00:23:35.569
I was in school and they served a purpose. But

00:23:35.569 --> 00:23:41.230
years later, we kind of just drifted apart now

00:23:41.230 --> 00:23:45.250
follow each other just different stages of our

00:23:45.250 --> 00:23:49.750
lives but i kind of just let i kind of let her

00:23:49.750 --> 00:23:53.089
go i mean kind of let the person go just because

00:23:53.089 --> 00:23:57.349
i didn't need the person anymore and she just

00:23:57.349 --> 00:24:00.430
wasn't there for many that person wasn't just

00:24:00.430 --> 00:24:03.069
there for me anymore so i was like so i just

00:24:03.069 --> 00:24:08.279
quietly just left it behind and i said that person

00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:12.420
served for a time being and and the memories

00:24:12.420 --> 00:24:15.519
will always be there but i don't need that person

00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:19.380
in my life anymore now the death of a relationship

00:24:19.380 --> 00:24:23.440
um feels a strange it feels like a strange part

00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:26.059
of you dies too right like some part of you uh

00:24:26.059 --> 00:24:30.160
it yeah perishes in the same with with that memory

00:24:30.160 --> 00:24:35.119
but it That's not true. But what it does is I

00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:38.380
think it imparts the lesson that nothing is permanent.

00:24:38.799 --> 00:24:43.259
And so like you just said, you had a lovely relationship,

00:24:43.460 --> 00:24:46.599
friendship with someone who afforded you some

00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:51.019
defense in times when you needed it. But if a

00:24:51.019 --> 00:24:54.579
heart surgeon repairs your heart, they don't

00:24:54.579 --> 00:24:57.180
keep following you around ready to perform surgery

00:24:57.180 --> 00:25:01.339
again, right? Yeah. They don't do that. That'd

00:25:01.339 --> 00:25:04.960
be kind of weird. Well, yeah. And so, I mean,

00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:07.319
you have to, sometimes you have to think of people

00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.559
like that who you aren't wholly compatible with,

00:25:10.700 --> 00:25:13.799
but who in some way want to provide some kind

00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:18.740
of social service for you and you for them. Yeah.

00:25:22.180 --> 00:25:27.200
No offense at this, but I... I do disagree with

00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:30.759
one thing, though. I feel like there's some instances

00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:37.539
where there can be permanent... Like, I have

00:25:37.539 --> 00:25:41.099
two really... I mean, I have many close friends,

00:25:41.200 --> 00:25:44.039
but I have these three friends who I've been

00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:47.079
friends with for... I think one of them I've

00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:49.559
been friends with since, like, for 30 years.

00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:53.700
And my other two friends that I've been friends

00:25:53.700 --> 00:25:57.059
with, like, 20. two or 23 years. So I kind of

00:25:57.059 --> 00:26:01.420
feel like there's some circumstances where there's

00:26:01.420 --> 00:26:04.259
some things that just last long. Yeah, that's

00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:13.460
what I mean. But I would say like certain circumstances,

00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:18.279
but not for everything. Because I feel like if

00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:22.559
it's meant to be, it's meant to be. And these

00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.779
people My best friends, I call them best friends

00:26:26.779 --> 00:26:29.079
because they know everything they know about

00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:33.160
me, like what ticks me off, what makes me laugh,

00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:36.099
etc. And they just know everything inside and

00:26:36.099 --> 00:26:39.859
out. And they can keep secrets. Shakespeare.

00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:47.279
But that's where I only disagree a little bit

00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:54.119
with that. My next question to Mario is... Why

00:26:54.119 --> 00:27:00.279
do you think some people, as someone who's listening

00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.660
to this podcast episode right now, what do you

00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:07.099
think people should take away from this episode

00:27:07.099 --> 00:27:13.759
about being the most, let's say, three takeaways

00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:19.019
of what people should learn about self -forgiveness,

00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:25.130
gosh, I think. Well, In my book, actually, I

00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:27.829
have a quote at the end of a paragraph that I

00:27:27.829 --> 00:27:30.490
wrote that I can't quote. I have an excerpt that

00:27:30.490 --> 00:27:34.470
I know, but it's very short. It's, justice and

00:27:34.470 --> 00:27:36.609
redemption are folly, but to seek them is not.

00:27:37.529 --> 00:27:41.390
And that's an important, that's imperative to

00:27:41.390 --> 00:27:45.450
remember. You will never achieve perfect justice,

00:27:45.529 --> 00:27:48.769
and you will never be wholly redeemed, ever.

00:27:49.849 --> 00:27:51.750
In the eyes of everyone, it's just impossible.

00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.880
But that does not mean you can give it up. It's

00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:59.140
the pursuit anyway. I think that meditation is

00:27:59.140 --> 00:28:02.579
an important thing to do to reduce the amount

00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:06.799
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00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:11.119
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00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.940
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Happy listening. And to confide in your friends

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and loved ones truly and completely. I like that

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quote, especially because, you know. It reminded

00:32:03.730 --> 00:32:12.029
me of something that made me, it reminded me

00:32:12.029 --> 00:32:17.150
of something and it reminded me of this moment

00:32:17.150 --> 00:32:23.049
that I liked. I mean, I'm trying to remember.

00:32:23.369 --> 00:32:29.150
It reminded me of special memories with my friends

00:32:29.150 --> 00:32:38.009
and whatnot. And I definitely like that quote.

00:32:38.710 --> 00:32:43.069
I think once I read your book, I'm definitely

00:32:43.069 --> 00:32:44.849
going to highlight that just because I really

00:32:44.849 --> 00:32:53.670
like that quote. Yeah. I mean, to be honest,

00:32:53.750 --> 00:32:57.410
I do save different kind of quotes that I find.

00:32:58.990 --> 00:33:00.950
And they're good quotes that always stay in my

00:33:00.950 --> 00:33:06.970
head for some reason. Like good lines about movies

00:33:06.970 --> 00:33:10.650
and whatnot. But I just want to circle back real

00:33:10.650 --> 00:33:14.089
quick about something. You said that some of

00:33:14.089 --> 00:33:18.930
the... You were saying, and I'm going to screw

00:33:18.930 --> 00:33:22.849
up the wording here, so my apologies. You were

00:33:22.849 --> 00:33:28.289
saying how there is no... How did you put it

00:33:28.289 --> 00:33:33.990
up? There's no perfect ending or whatnot. They

00:33:33.990 --> 00:33:37.490
would never be wholly redeemed. Yeah. And so

00:33:37.490 --> 00:33:39.710
I wanted to ask you, just kind of like a tongue

00:33:39.710 --> 00:33:42.829
-in -cheek joke, so you mean life is not like

00:33:42.829 --> 00:33:47.230
a soap opera or one of those fantasy Netflix

00:33:47.230 --> 00:33:50.490
films or TV shows? You mean the perfect ending

00:33:50.490 --> 00:33:53.930
like that? Yeah, there's no nuance to that, right?

00:33:54.289 --> 00:33:57.529
Yeah, it seems everyone rides off and is able

00:33:57.529 --> 00:34:00.769
to chase. an eternal dawn, you know, the golden

00:34:00.769 --> 00:34:07.930
sunset for Sunheart. Or going after those, the

00:34:07.930 --> 00:34:13.110
evil villain, like a fellow, where the villain

00:34:13.110 --> 00:34:14.869
of the TV show is like, I'm going to go chase

00:34:14.869 --> 00:34:21.650
after them. That's the worst possible idea. No.

00:34:23.409 --> 00:34:28.050
That's like saying... For an analogy, that's

00:34:28.050 --> 00:34:30.050
like saying, let's bring a knife to a gunfight.

00:34:30.210 --> 00:34:35.650
That's a good idea. Yeah. Being careful with

00:34:35.650 --> 00:34:39.630
how you apply morality is also, I think, is important

00:34:39.630 --> 00:34:42.969
to the same reason. When we talk about villains,

00:34:44.070 --> 00:34:47.929
I have a Shakespeare, I have a character who,

00:34:48.050 --> 00:34:50.829
in the book I'm about to publish in a couple

00:34:50.829 --> 00:34:53.769
of weeks, it's volume three of the series, it's

00:34:53.769 --> 00:34:55.789
the It's a sequel to the one I've already published,

00:34:55.989 --> 00:34:59.369
my first one. And he's a character whose father

00:34:59.369 --> 00:35:02.710
was enslaved and his mother is someone who is

00:35:02.710 --> 00:35:05.849
part of the aristocracy. And he's sold into slavery

00:35:05.849 --> 00:35:10.130
as a kid even. And then he tries to run away

00:35:10.130 --> 00:35:13.809
and his mother sells him to someone else, his

00:35:13.809 --> 00:35:17.429
own mother. And then he does horrific things

00:35:17.429 --> 00:35:22.420
through his life. And so you hope in... And when

00:35:22.420 --> 00:35:24.679
you see those things and him becoming an adult

00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:26.659
and all the terrible things you did, you still,

00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:29.860
in the end, you still feel kind of a bit ambivalent

00:35:29.860 --> 00:35:32.659
because you know this was his genesis and it

00:35:32.659 --> 00:35:35.900
was so awful and you can't help but to feel like

00:35:35.900 --> 00:35:41.619
even if he did monstrous things, that we deserve

00:35:41.619 --> 00:35:46.360
to acknowledge that history, you know, and to

00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:48.980
submit that, I mean, just a grain of forgiveness

00:35:48.980 --> 00:35:53.280
in the sense that, you know, we can see the consequences

00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:57.679
and we try and try to um and try to advance those

00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:01.019
uh onto our future circumstances so that we can

00:36:01.019 --> 00:36:03.199
prevent that from happening again to someone

00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:06.480
else so my next question for you is when does

00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.000
your book come out shakes my first one uh the

00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.559
second son volumes one and two it came out last

00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.559
year in uh shakespeare shakespeare in february

00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:20.409
um and shakespeare uh volume three uh That one

00:36:20.409 --> 00:36:26.710
is actually the Indie Book Awards. It's called

00:36:26.710 --> 00:36:28.730
the Next Generation Indie Book Awards, I think,

00:36:28.809 --> 00:36:30.989
or it used to be the International Indie Book

00:36:30.989 --> 00:36:34.690
Awards. They are releasing the results of that

00:36:34.690 --> 00:36:39.650
in the next week or so. And depending on how

00:36:39.650 --> 00:36:43.210
well I did, I'm hoping that I did very well.

00:36:43.650 --> 00:36:49.099
I wanted to publish at the same time. You know,

00:36:49.099 --> 00:36:51.860
if I ended up winning, I thought it would be

00:36:51.860 --> 00:36:53.719
fun. So I've been holding off on publishing.

00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:57.860
I've already finished. In fact, I'm over 14 ,000

00:36:57.860 --> 00:37:00.400
words into volume four already. You know, like

00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:03.500
some comparison, The Hobbit's 98 ,000 words.

00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:09.699
I can never get into the Lord of the Rings books.

00:37:09.820 --> 00:37:15.639
I got into the movies, but I think, like, no

00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:20.920
offense to... Yeah, Tolkien, but he describes

00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.119
them like some of the blades of grass, like at

00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.860
least a thousand different ways. And I was like,

00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:32.099
got it. Can you describe their room in just like

00:37:32.099 --> 00:37:35.880
maybe three, like maybe two sentences? And I

00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.679
can picture it, but I don't need to go over every

00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.570
single hardware detail. Have you seen Game of

00:37:43.570 --> 00:37:46.670
Thrones or read it? I have never seen the Game

00:37:46.670 --> 00:37:50.610
of Thrones and I've, I tried reading the Game

00:37:50.610 --> 00:37:54.170
of Thrones and I feel like my cousin, my cousins

00:37:54.170 --> 00:37:57.050
who really love like all the medieval stuff.

00:37:57.289 --> 00:37:59.150
So it's like, Jimmy, you gotta read this. It's

00:37:59.150 --> 00:38:03.110
so hyped up. And I try, I try, I got to like

00:38:03.110 --> 00:38:06.590
the halfway point. I mean, not even less. I got

00:38:06.590 --> 00:38:08.550
even less than halfway point on the game of the

00:38:08.550 --> 00:38:10.570
first Game of Thrones book. And I was like, can

00:38:10.570 --> 00:38:14.820
I get my money back? Yeah, I'm Shakespeare. Well,

00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.659
I was only going to say that the structure of

00:38:17.659 --> 00:38:21.860
my books is really similar to Game of Thrones

00:38:21.860 --> 00:38:23.820
in that it's three different parts of the world

00:38:23.820 --> 00:38:26.139
with three different groups of characters that

00:38:26.139 --> 00:38:29.500
come together. And you learn how they come together,

00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:34.760
or rather, how they're related, rather. But also

00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.099
the spirit of Tolkien in that anyone, however

00:38:37.099 --> 00:38:40.179
big or small, can achieve extraordinary things.

00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.170
Yeah. And for my lessons, I'm not making fun

00:38:45.170 --> 00:38:53.670
of Tolkien or the Game of Thrones. It just wasn't

00:38:53.670 --> 00:38:57.889
for me. It was not for my liking. So, I mean,

00:38:57.949 --> 00:39:00.550
it's great that they can create such an imagination

00:39:00.550 --> 00:39:05.199
world like that. I give them all the credit in

00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.320
the world. I'm just saying it's just not for

00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.539
me. So I have all the respect for the authors

00:39:10.539 --> 00:39:14.840
because those people are impressive who can write

00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:20.099
so many gosh darn words. I know I can write,

00:39:20.179 --> 00:39:23.940
but I don't know if I can write a book. Shakespeare,

00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:26.579
it's a lot of work. It is. It is. And to do it

00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:34.250
well is even harder. And just seeing James Patterson

00:39:34.250 --> 00:39:40.190
just magically one book a week. Are you sure

00:39:40.190 --> 00:39:43.849
you're not a robot, James Patterson? He's like

00:39:43.849 --> 00:39:50.090
a well -oiled machine. I'm fairly certain that

00:39:50.090 --> 00:39:54.269
he has other writers that help him. They do part

00:39:54.269 --> 00:39:58.630
of the work. Yeah, probably. My last few questions

00:39:58.630 --> 00:40:01.929
for you is who's your favorite podcaster and

00:40:01.929 --> 00:40:05.429
why? And feel free not to say me. Shakespeare.

00:40:05.889 --> 00:40:14.750
Man, I don't know. Honestly, I actually really

00:40:14.750 --> 00:40:17.250
like Conan O 'Brien. I think he's really funny.

00:40:18.190 --> 00:40:23.309
And Carl Pilkington. He's part of the... I love

00:40:23.309 --> 00:40:27.190
Shakespeare. I love those guys. I love comedians.

00:40:27.190 --> 00:40:30.949
I think that comedy is the highest form of art.

00:40:31.150 --> 00:40:35.190
It's the most complex because you have to understand,

00:40:35.329 --> 00:40:38.090
as a comedian, you have to understand every context

00:40:38.090 --> 00:40:40.530
in the same way that the dramatist does and the

00:40:40.530 --> 00:40:42.989
romance writer and the horror writer. But you

00:40:42.989 --> 00:40:45.090
have to be able to take it one step further and

00:40:45.090 --> 00:40:49.760
reveal the irony, right? And I think that requires

00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:53.539
a very special relationship with reality that

00:40:53.539 --> 00:40:58.420
I really admire a great deal. And I consider

00:40:58.420 --> 00:41:01.099
comedy itself a separate art form from everything

00:41:01.099 --> 00:41:04.380
else. There's writing, and then there's sculpting,

00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:06.300
there's painting, and there's all these different

00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:10.219
dancing. But comedy is a separate thing to me.

00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:15.269
It's not just a genre. I agree with that. My

00:41:15.269 --> 00:41:21.090
favorite podcast is Lewis Howe's School of Greatness.

00:41:21.650 --> 00:41:26.750
And he has really great episodes. And I've interacted

00:41:26.750 --> 00:41:29.070
with him multiple times on social media, which

00:41:29.070 --> 00:41:31.730
was pretty cool. I mean, which is pretty cool.

00:41:32.050 --> 00:41:36.289
And I said to my followers and his followers,

00:41:36.409 --> 00:41:38.769
one day I'm going to be on your show. And he

00:41:38.769 --> 00:41:41.010
actually wrote back to me and said, I look forward

00:41:41.010 --> 00:41:44.699
to it. That's a challenge. That's a challenge

00:41:44.699 --> 00:41:48.659
accepted. And you know what's funny? I had a

00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:51.699
podcaster who came on my show. He actually got

00:41:51.699 --> 00:41:56.599
to meet Lewis Howes. And we didn't have enough

00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.840
time in the episode to talk about how he met

00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.320
him. But I was like, I want to meet him so damn

00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:08.320
bad. Lewis Howes, if you're hearing this, I want

00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.880
to meet you so badly. I mean in person, not just

00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:18.840
on screen. That'd be really cool. And my last

00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:20.960
question for you is, where can people follow

00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.340
you, learn more about who you are and what you

00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:26.380
do, and where can people find your books? Shakespeare.

00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.980
Well, if you go to ChristophMorrow .com, that

00:42:30.980 --> 00:42:35.820
has links to everything that I have and do. But

00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:40.400
my book is on Amazon, and it's on Kobo. Yeah.

00:42:40.460 --> 00:42:43.699
And I'm on, I'm on, I'm really just on it. I'm

00:42:43.699 --> 00:42:47.019
on Instagram, Facebook, and Tik TOK, at least

00:42:47.019 --> 00:42:50.079
from Tik TOK for now, where it's going, what's

00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.480
going to happen to that. Uh, because that's actually

00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.800
like, I, most of my followers are on Tik TOK.

00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.300
Like I have like 6 ,000 on there. So now I'm

00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:00.659
concerned. I won't have any of those anymore.

00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.320
Um, but, uh, yeah. So that's, that's, um, yeah.

00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:10.519
That's cool. Cool. I'll put all those in the

00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:14.460
show notes for everyone to find. And yeah, and

00:43:14.460 --> 00:43:17.800
I hopefully, I want to get you back on again

00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:22.480
because I think we can talk some more about self

00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.239
-forgiveness and also maybe by the time I have

00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:29.340
you back on, maybe your fourth book will be out.

00:43:29.659 --> 00:43:34.719
Yeah, that'd be great. And let's stay in touch.

00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.300
Yeah, thank you. I treasure your trust. We appreciate

00:43:38.300 --> 00:43:44.579
it. I will follow you on social media. And if

00:43:44.579 --> 00:43:47.880
I forget in a couple of days, don't take offense

00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.780
at it. My brain is just math, math, math. So

00:43:52.780 --> 00:43:58.980
I'll definitely reach back out again probably

00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:02.800
next week at some point. But just my brain is

00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:06.389
like, if I do want to. math problem i'm just

00:44:06.389 --> 00:44:08.949
gonna just like bang my head against the keyboard

00:44:08.949 --> 00:44:14.289
yeah no i sympathize i'm glad the summary always

00:44:14.289 --> 00:44:18.570
has sympathizers so uh thank you and uh let's

00:44:18.570 --> 00:44:22.139
stay in touch yeah thanks jerry So that's all

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