From Guilt to Grace: How to Practice Self-Forgiveness Like a Boss


In a world where we often prioritize forgiving others, the art of self-forgiveness is an essential yet often overlooked skill. The ability to let go of past mistakes and embrace our imperfections with compassion can lead to profound emotional healing and personal growth. Learning how to practice self-forgiveness isn't just about moving on from our errors; it's about cultivating a deep sense of self-acceptance and inner peace.
Imagine a life free from the weight of guilt and self-criticism, where you can approach each day with kindness towards yourself. Self-forgiveness is not a sign of weakness but rather an act of courage and strength. It requires us to confront our vulnerabilities, acknowledge our humanity, and grant ourselves the same grace we readily bestow upon others. In this article, we will explore practical strategies and transformative techniques that will guide you on your journey towards mastering the art of self-forgiveness.
Key Take-Aways From The Episode
- how to learn self forgiveness?
- why should we practice forgiveness?
- how to practise self forgiveness?
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Krist Morrow is a disabled veteran, author, and an award-winning journalist/photographer from Texas living with Tourette’s in South Carolina.
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if I didn't speak. Today, my guest is Christoph
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going to be talking about self -forgiveness.
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And, yeah, we're going to talk about self -forgiveness.
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Gosh, if I didn't speak. That's what happens
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when your mind is on everything else, on everything
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else. Damn. Anyway, let's welcome Matt. Hello.
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Shakespeare. Shakespeare. Hello, Jimmy. Good
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evening. So, before we get started, can you tell
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us a little bit about who you are, what you do,
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how you got started, and why you got started?
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Shakespeare. Well, like you said, I'm a disabled
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Navy veteran. I'm an author. I won some awards
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as a journalist and as a photographer. in journalism
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also uh in short fiction and poetry at this couple
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of universities i went to well not the universities
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colleges um and i went to uh and i just moved
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actually back to the united states i moved to
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shakespeare i went to south carolina like two
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days ago so this is brand new yeah shakespeare
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yeah Did it feel weird when you moved and then
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you come back over? Does it feel weird? Shakespeare,
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yeah. Especially moving from Canada, there really
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is an entirely different personality to most
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of the people there. They're much more serene.
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They're relaxed. I think the health care. Everybody
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here is wound up tight and just always angry.
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Trying to get from one place to another, like
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trying to capitalize on time as much as they
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can, I think. That's what it is. Shakespeare.
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I get that. So my first question for you is,
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how did you come up with the title? Pardon me,
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I think I got my notes again. The second song?
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Yeah, the second song. My brain is all over the
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place. It's actually a member to the plot. It
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would be giving it away if I told you what it
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meant. But essentially, it is loosely a reference
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to the notion that there's sort of catastrophic
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climate change and all the qualities of a sun.
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If there were a second one, it's much like the
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way we see that every year it's getting hotter
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and hotter. But anyway, the book is an allegory
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for generational wealth inequality and a bunch
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of other stuff. It's an epic fantasy, actually.
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Sounds interesting. I'll definitely check it
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out. My next question for you is, how does one
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practice self -forgiveness? Shakespeare. You
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know, I find that recognizing your worth through
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the love of others is a very helpful place to
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start. I think that a lot of people think that
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friendship isn't, it shouldn't be about reciprocity,
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but it is. Shakespeare, it ultimately is. It's
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supposed to be freely given, of course. But ultimately,
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self -forgiveness is about discovering that,
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discovering peace from others. And I mean, really,
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that's the only way to move forward. Shakespeare.
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Shakespeare, because I have Tourette's. I ruminate
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on everything from when I was a kid to now. Anything
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that I've ever done that I feel ashamed of. And
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because of the extraordinary amount of abuse
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I faced as a kid, I've mutilated myself a lot.
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Not because I want to, but because it's a member
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to my illness, Shakespeare, from Tourette's.
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Um, so I've given myself like black eyes and
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bloody lips and, um, I, I, I've lost a lot of,
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uh, well, my hand's kind of deformed now, actually
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my right hand, cause I've hit it on things so
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much. Um, and so like, I've had to really sort
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of embrace the notion of forgiveness, uh, for
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yourself, because if you mean to live a life
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of, uh, virtue and valor, uh, that's all really
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you can ask. That's really all you can ask. You
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do the best you can to make it right. And that's
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it. That's all you can do. I can agree with that,
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especially because I did some stuff growing up
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in public school that I was not proud of. And
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let's say I metaphorically burned some of those
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bridges that I created with some people. And
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some people forgave me, and then there's some
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people who did not forgive me. Years later, those
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people still looked at me as the same way as
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I was back then and say, no, I'm definitely not
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the same. But since they didn't stay connected
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with me, they didn't see any change. They kept
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on seeing me as the old me and say, I improved
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a lot. I mean, I'm not perfect whatsoever, but...
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I forgive myself for taking me many years to
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forgive myself. But the people who've stayed
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with me and are sending me to who I am today,
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I cherish those people because they don't look
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at me like the person who I was, let's say, 15
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years ago or 16 years ago. Maybe a little bit
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more than that. Time flies. We all evolve, I
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think. Yeah, Shakespeare. We all evolve. And
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we hope at the end of our lives that we would
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achieve, we would have earned some kind of peace,
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knowing that we did what we could to earn the
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love that we have. Shakespeare. So my next question
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for you is, why do you think some people have
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not forgiven themselves on stuff that they...
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They're either regretting or stuff they haven't
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done. Why do you think that is? I think often
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it's social conditioning. We're conditioned not
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to believe we deserve it. But I don't know a
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single person who's flawless. Even the people
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who I know who are extraordinarily kind and charitable
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have done things that would not flatter them.
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at all in front of if it were discovered you
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know if people knew about it right but we we
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all uh and i mean we all share in that i think
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and so i think that we should take some some
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solace in the notion that it's universal that
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failure is universal uh especially towards one
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another like failure towards one another and
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know. An ecosystem of peace, right? Shakespeare.
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Yeah, Shakespeare. I agree with that, too. You
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know, I also believe that I also believe that,
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you know, I always like to be transparent with,
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like, I don't go into all the details of my what
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happened years ago. I do give hints here and
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then people say, like maybe years later, somebody
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I have to be 100 % transparent because I always
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especially because they always say what goes
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around comes around. And so I like that too.
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So karma can go both ways. Sometimes lately it's
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especially with statistics. I hate statistics.
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Oh man, you don't tell me. Shakespeare, I took
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statistics in college and I, oh God, it was the
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worst. I really, yeah, I loathed it. Every second
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in that class, Shakespeare. I'm literally banging
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my head and studying four days by the phone.
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I'm like, I can't get rid of this numbers in
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my head. Every time I go to bed at night, I see
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numbers. It's like, I see pretty numbers. Shakespeare.
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Shakespeare. So my next question for you is,
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what are some ways for people to start forgiving
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themselves for stuff they have done or have not
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done? Well, I think we are all, I think it's
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member to our psyche as a human, every human
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wants to contribute to their community. And in
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fact, I feel like it's, It's also a quality to
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our fear, our anxiety that we want to contribute
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to our community because we want to have some
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kind of worth, you know, and so we're not dispensable.
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Right. So I think curing a lot of anxiety around
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forgiveness is about embracing the thing that
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you love to do that also contributes to the welfare
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of the people around you. So to do a great deal
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of work selfless, and to do it selflessly and
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do it with affection and do it with discipline,
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there's really no alternative, truly. Because
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you find peace through the love of others and
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through the warmth and the joy of friendship
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is where we derive it all in the end, all our
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happiness. I think one way how I, forgive myself
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for the stuff I've done is those people who stayed
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with me I wrote a very sincere apology for all
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the stuff I did that they've been around witnessed
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etc and it meant a lot to me that they just read
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it in front of me I mean they said like oh you
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know how to do this and I was like No, I really
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had to do this. Because there were some times
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I had restless nights, and there were some nights
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where I couldn't sleep with my eyes closed. My
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autistic brain kind of plays stuff on a replay,
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kind of like a... Like a belt that just goes
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around and around or a hamstring belt, whatever.
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And it just never ends. And so sometimes if I
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see something in a movie, like if it's very...
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scary to me my brain just remember it's always
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bad things like it remembers lines and whatnot
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but it was like something really graphic my brain
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just remembers is like uh -oh no like i'll give
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you an example my mom was watching this one tv
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show and i caught a glimpse of it and had like
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flashbacks and everything and i'm not gonna say
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what the what was on the flashbacks and everything
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but it had like very graphic scenes and whatnot.
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And it was like, it's a police show and whatnot.
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And I was like, they really did not need to put
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these flashbacks in here. As I, it's one thing,
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it was like a pre -recorded video, like a part
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of the story, but they didn't like, they didn't
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need to put the whole flashbacks and had to see
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every little nook and cranny of this happening.
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And I was like, no thanks. But that stayed in
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my mind. And there was a few nights where I had
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like, really bad dreams is like, okay, next time
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when my mom's watching this show, I'm leaving
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the hell out of this room. Just because my brain
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will play it on replay and it's like, I don't
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need this. Yeah, Shakespeare. My next question
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for you is how do you practice forgiveness and
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how do you practice forgiving others? Well, I
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think that a lot of people would say that oftentimes
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whatever trespasses are committed against you
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are often a reflection of what they're experiencing,
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the turmoil within themselves. The unfair or
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unkind things they say to you and do, those are
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a product of insecurity. And so trying to retain
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that, I find that's really hard to do, to actually
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practice that. So I really feel like it has to
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come from within. And if you want to receive
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forgiveness, you have to be willing to submit
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it for others. I think that's really the only
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way. I mean, you have to have a mentality. You
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have to cradle. Your life and your consciousness
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and your habits have to live in a cradle of forgiveness.
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Shakespeare. I agree with that. I got bullied
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growing up in public school for eight years.
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And I wouldn't say I've forgiven any of those
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bullies because I've never seen them ever again.
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But to be honest, I wouldn't be where I am today
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of overcoming bullying and whatnot if it wasn't
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for them. I still have somewhat of a unique story
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growing up, but also they kind of completed that
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part of my story in my life, and it kind of took
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where my podcast and businesses were today. So
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I don't think I would really have a full, complete
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story without them. So I was like, thank you,
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but I was like... So I kind of thank them for
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it, but then kind of not thank them at the same
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time because get bullying sucks, but to overcome
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it, it's really, really big. I mean, it feels
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really great. And to be able to share with my
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story with other people is really great too.
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So it's kind of a win -win situation. Shakespeare,
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I understand that sentiment. It's funny because
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people often who have been on the receiving end
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of horrible trauma from loved ones, I don't believe
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that forgiveness is meant to be so thorough that
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you still allow some of these people to remain
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in your life. Sometimes you really do have to
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sever yourself from these people. To make that
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distinction is really hard to know whether or
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not you can forgive them and then allow them
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to remain in your orbit, the orbit of your existence.
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But it really comes down to whether or not they
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take accountability and truly make effort to
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change. and to sustain that. Shakespeare. I like
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what you said there because I could have some
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people in my life who, let's just say I had a
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friend who was there for me during bullying when
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I was in school and they served a purpose. But
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years later, we kind of just drifted apart now
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follow each other just different stages of our
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lives but i kind of just let i kind of let her
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go i mean kind of let the person go just because
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i didn't need the person anymore and she just
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wasn't there for many that person wasn't just
00:24:00.430 --> 00:24:03.069
there for me anymore so i was like so i just
00:24:03.069 --> 00:24:08.279
quietly just left it behind and i said that person
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served for a time being and and the memories
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will always be there but i don't need that person
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in my life anymore now the death of a relationship
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um feels a strange it feels like a strange part
00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:26.059
of you dies too right like some part of you uh
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it yeah perishes in the same with with that memory
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but it That's not true. But what it does is I
00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:38.380
think it imparts the lesson that nothing is permanent.
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And so like you just said, you had a lovely relationship,
00:24:43.460 --> 00:24:46.599
friendship with someone who afforded you some
00:24:46.599 --> 00:24:51.019
defense in times when you needed it. But if a
00:24:51.019 --> 00:24:54.579
heart surgeon repairs your heart, they don't
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keep following you around ready to perform surgery
00:24:57.180 --> 00:25:01.339
again, right? Yeah. They don't do that. That'd
00:25:01.339 --> 00:25:04.960
be kind of weird. Well, yeah. And so, I mean,
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:07.319
you have to, sometimes you have to think of people
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.559
like that who you aren't wholly compatible with,
00:25:10.700 --> 00:25:13.799
but who in some way want to provide some kind
00:25:13.799 --> 00:25:18.740
of social service for you and you for them. Yeah.
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No offense at this, but I... I do disagree with
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one thing, though. I feel like there's some instances
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where there can be permanent... Like, I have
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two really... I mean, I have many close friends,
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but I have these three friends who I've been
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friends with for... I think one of them I've
00:25:47.079 --> 00:25:49.559
been friends with since, like, for 30 years.
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And my other two friends that I've been friends
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with, like, 20. two or 23 years. So I kind of
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feel like there's some circumstances where there's
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some things that just last long. Yeah, that's
00:26:04.259 --> 00:26:13.460
what I mean. But I would say like certain circumstances,
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but not for everything. Because I feel like if
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it's meant to be, it's meant to be. And these
00:26:22.559 --> 00:26:26.779
people My best friends, I call them best friends
00:26:26.779 --> 00:26:29.079
because they know everything they know about
00:26:29.079 --> 00:26:33.160
me, like what ticks me off, what makes me laugh,
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:36.099
etc. And they just know everything inside and
00:26:36.099 --> 00:26:39.859
out. And they can keep secrets. Shakespeare.
00:26:41.680 --> 00:26:47.279
But that's where I only disagree a little bit
00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:54.119
with that. My next question to Mario is... Why
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do you think some people, as someone who's listening
00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.660
to this podcast episode right now, what do you
00:27:03.660 --> 00:27:07.099
think people should take away from this episode
00:27:07.099 --> 00:27:13.759
about being the most, let's say, three takeaways
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:19.019
of what people should learn about self -forgiveness,
00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:25.130
gosh, I think. Well, In my book, actually, I
00:27:25.130 --> 00:27:27.829
have a quote at the end of a paragraph that I
00:27:27.829 --> 00:27:30.490
wrote that I can't quote. I have an excerpt that
00:27:30.490 --> 00:27:34.470
I know, but it's very short. It's, justice and
00:27:34.470 --> 00:27:36.609
redemption are folly, but to seek them is not.
00:27:37.529 --> 00:27:41.390
And that's an important, that's imperative to
00:27:41.390 --> 00:27:45.450
remember. You will never achieve perfect justice,
00:27:45.529 --> 00:27:48.769
and you will never be wholly redeemed, ever.
00:27:49.849 --> 00:27:51.750
In the eyes of everyone, it's just impossible.
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.880
But that does not mean you can give it up. It's
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:59.140
the pursuit anyway. I think that meditation is
00:27:59.140 --> 00:28:02.579
an important thing to do to reduce the amount
00:28:02.579 --> 00:28:06.799
of stimulus you get just in general. The internet
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:11.119
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and loved ones truly and completely. I like that
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quote, especially because, you know. It reminded
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me of something that made me, it reminded me
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of something and it reminded me of this moment
00:32:17.150 --> 00:32:23.049
that I liked. I mean, I'm trying to remember.
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It reminded me of special memories with my friends
00:32:29.150 --> 00:32:38.009
and whatnot. And I definitely like that quote.
00:32:38.710 --> 00:32:43.069
I think once I read your book, I'm definitely
00:32:43.069 --> 00:32:44.849
going to highlight that just because I really
00:32:44.849 --> 00:32:53.670
like that quote. Yeah. I mean, to be honest,
00:32:53.750 --> 00:32:57.410
I do save different kind of quotes that I find.
00:32:58.990 --> 00:33:00.950
And they're good quotes that always stay in my
00:33:00.950 --> 00:33:06.970
head for some reason. Like good lines about movies
00:33:06.970 --> 00:33:10.650
and whatnot. But I just want to circle back real
00:33:10.650 --> 00:33:14.089
quick about something. You said that some of
00:33:14.089 --> 00:33:18.930
the... You were saying, and I'm going to screw
00:33:18.930 --> 00:33:22.849
up the wording here, so my apologies. You were
00:33:22.849 --> 00:33:28.289
saying how there is no... How did you put it
00:33:28.289 --> 00:33:33.990
up? There's no perfect ending or whatnot. They
00:33:33.990 --> 00:33:37.490
would never be wholly redeemed. Yeah. And so
00:33:37.490 --> 00:33:39.710
I wanted to ask you, just kind of like a tongue
00:33:39.710 --> 00:33:42.829
-in -cheek joke, so you mean life is not like
00:33:42.829 --> 00:33:47.230
a soap opera or one of those fantasy Netflix
00:33:47.230 --> 00:33:50.490
films or TV shows? You mean the perfect ending
00:33:50.490 --> 00:33:53.930
like that? Yeah, there's no nuance to that, right?
00:33:54.289 --> 00:33:57.529
Yeah, it seems everyone rides off and is able
00:33:57.529 --> 00:34:00.769
to chase. an eternal dawn, you know, the golden
00:34:00.769 --> 00:34:07.930
sunset for Sunheart. Or going after those, the
00:34:07.930 --> 00:34:13.110
evil villain, like a fellow, where the villain
00:34:13.110 --> 00:34:14.869
of the TV show is like, I'm going to go chase
00:34:14.869 --> 00:34:21.650
after them. That's the worst possible idea. No.
00:34:23.409 --> 00:34:28.050
That's like saying... For an analogy, that's
00:34:28.050 --> 00:34:30.050
like saying, let's bring a knife to a gunfight.
00:34:30.210 --> 00:34:35.650
That's a good idea. Yeah. Being careful with
00:34:35.650 --> 00:34:39.630
how you apply morality is also, I think, is important
00:34:39.630 --> 00:34:42.969
to the same reason. When we talk about villains,
00:34:44.070 --> 00:34:47.929
I have a Shakespeare, I have a character who,
00:34:48.050 --> 00:34:50.829
in the book I'm about to publish in a couple
00:34:50.829 --> 00:34:53.769
of weeks, it's volume three of the series, it's
00:34:53.769 --> 00:34:55.789
the It's a sequel to the one I've already published,
00:34:55.989 --> 00:34:59.369
my first one. And he's a character whose father
00:34:59.369 --> 00:35:02.710
was enslaved and his mother is someone who is
00:35:02.710 --> 00:35:05.849
part of the aristocracy. And he's sold into slavery
00:35:05.849 --> 00:35:10.130
as a kid even. And then he tries to run away
00:35:10.130 --> 00:35:13.809
and his mother sells him to someone else, his
00:35:13.809 --> 00:35:17.429
own mother. And then he does horrific things
00:35:17.429 --> 00:35:22.420
through his life. And so you hope in... And when
00:35:22.420 --> 00:35:24.679
you see those things and him becoming an adult
00:35:24.679 --> 00:35:26.659
and all the terrible things you did, you still,
00:35:26.699 --> 00:35:29.860
in the end, you still feel kind of a bit ambivalent
00:35:29.860 --> 00:35:32.659
because you know this was his genesis and it
00:35:32.659 --> 00:35:35.900
was so awful and you can't help but to feel like
00:35:35.900 --> 00:35:41.619
even if he did monstrous things, that we deserve
00:35:41.619 --> 00:35:46.360
to acknowledge that history, you know, and to
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:48.980
submit that, I mean, just a grain of forgiveness
00:35:48.980 --> 00:35:53.280
in the sense that, you know, we can see the consequences
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:57.679
and we try and try to um and try to advance those
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:01.019
uh onto our future circumstances so that we can
00:36:01.019 --> 00:36:03.199
prevent that from happening again to someone
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:06.480
else so my next question for you is when does
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.000
your book come out shakes my first one uh the
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.559
second son volumes one and two it came out last
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.559
year in uh shakespeare shakespeare in february
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:20.409
um and shakespeare uh volume three uh That one
00:36:20.409 --> 00:36:26.710
is actually the Indie Book Awards. It's called
00:36:26.710 --> 00:36:28.730
the Next Generation Indie Book Awards, I think,
00:36:28.809 --> 00:36:30.989
or it used to be the International Indie Book
00:36:30.989 --> 00:36:34.690
Awards. They are releasing the results of that
00:36:34.690 --> 00:36:39.650
in the next week or so. And depending on how
00:36:39.650 --> 00:36:43.210
well I did, I'm hoping that I did very well.
00:36:43.650 --> 00:36:49.099
I wanted to publish at the same time. You know,
00:36:49.099 --> 00:36:51.860
if I ended up winning, I thought it would be
00:36:51.860 --> 00:36:53.719
fun. So I've been holding off on publishing.
00:36:53.820 --> 00:36:57.860
I've already finished. In fact, I'm over 14 ,000
00:36:57.860 --> 00:37:00.400
words into volume four already. You know, like
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:03.500
some comparison, The Hobbit's 98 ,000 words.
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:09.699
I can never get into the Lord of the Rings books.
00:37:09.820 --> 00:37:15.639
I got into the movies, but I think, like, no
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:20.920
offense to... Yeah, Tolkien, but he describes
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.119
them like some of the blades of grass, like at
00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:27.860
least a thousand different ways. And I was like,
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:32.099
got it. Can you describe their room in just like
00:37:32.099 --> 00:37:35.880
maybe three, like maybe two sentences? And I
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:39.679
can picture it, but I don't need to go over every
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.570
single hardware detail. Have you seen Game of
00:37:43.570 --> 00:37:46.670
Thrones or read it? I have never seen the Game
00:37:46.670 --> 00:37:50.610
of Thrones and I've, I tried reading the Game
00:37:50.610 --> 00:37:54.170
of Thrones and I feel like my cousin, my cousins
00:37:54.170 --> 00:37:57.050
who really love like all the medieval stuff.
00:37:57.289 --> 00:37:59.150
So it's like, Jimmy, you gotta read this. It's
00:37:59.150 --> 00:38:03.110
so hyped up. And I try, I try, I got to like
00:38:03.110 --> 00:38:06.590
the halfway point. I mean, not even less. I got
00:38:06.590 --> 00:38:08.550
even less than halfway point on the game of the
00:38:08.550 --> 00:38:10.570
first Game of Thrones book. And I was like, can
00:38:10.570 --> 00:38:14.820
I get my money back? Yeah, I'm Shakespeare. Well,
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.659
I was only going to say that the structure of
00:38:17.659 --> 00:38:21.860
my books is really similar to Game of Thrones
00:38:21.860 --> 00:38:23.820
in that it's three different parts of the world
00:38:23.820 --> 00:38:26.139
with three different groups of characters that
00:38:26.139 --> 00:38:29.500
come together. And you learn how they come together,
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:34.760
or rather, how they're related, rather. But also
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:37.099
the spirit of Tolkien in that anyone, however
00:38:37.099 --> 00:38:40.179
big or small, can achieve extraordinary things.
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:45.170
Yeah. And for my lessons, I'm not making fun
00:38:45.170 --> 00:38:53.670
of Tolkien or the Game of Thrones. It just wasn't
00:38:53.670 --> 00:38:57.889
for me. It was not for my liking. So, I mean,
00:38:57.949 --> 00:39:00.550
it's great that they can create such an imagination
00:39:00.550 --> 00:39:05.199
world like that. I give them all the credit in
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:07.320
the world. I'm just saying it's just not for
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.539
me. So I have all the respect for the authors
00:39:10.539 --> 00:39:14.840
because those people are impressive who can write
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:20.099
so many gosh darn words. I know I can write,
00:39:20.179 --> 00:39:23.940
but I don't know if I can write a book. Shakespeare,
00:39:24.199 --> 00:39:26.579
it's a lot of work. It is. It is. And to do it
00:39:26.579 --> 00:39:34.250
well is even harder. And just seeing James Patterson
00:39:34.250 --> 00:39:40.190
just magically one book a week. Are you sure
00:39:40.190 --> 00:39:43.849
you're not a robot, James Patterson? He's like
00:39:43.849 --> 00:39:50.090
a well -oiled machine. I'm fairly certain that
00:39:50.090 --> 00:39:54.269
he has other writers that help him. They do part
00:39:54.269 --> 00:39:58.630
of the work. Yeah, probably. My last few questions
00:39:58.630 --> 00:40:01.929
for you is who's your favorite podcaster and
00:40:01.929 --> 00:40:05.429
why? And feel free not to say me. Shakespeare.
00:40:05.889 --> 00:40:14.750
Man, I don't know. Honestly, I actually really
00:40:14.750 --> 00:40:17.250
like Conan O 'Brien. I think he's really funny.
00:40:18.190 --> 00:40:23.309
And Carl Pilkington. He's part of the... I love
00:40:23.309 --> 00:40:27.190
Shakespeare. I love those guys. I love comedians.
00:40:27.190 --> 00:40:30.949
I think that comedy is the highest form of art.
00:40:31.150 --> 00:40:35.190
It's the most complex because you have to understand,
00:40:35.329 --> 00:40:38.090
as a comedian, you have to understand every context
00:40:38.090 --> 00:40:40.530
in the same way that the dramatist does and the
00:40:40.530 --> 00:40:42.989
romance writer and the horror writer. But you
00:40:42.989 --> 00:40:45.090
have to be able to take it one step further and
00:40:45.090 --> 00:40:49.760
reveal the irony, right? And I think that requires
00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:53.539
a very special relationship with reality that
00:40:53.539 --> 00:40:58.420
I really admire a great deal. And I consider
00:40:58.420 --> 00:41:01.099
comedy itself a separate art form from everything
00:41:01.099 --> 00:41:04.380
else. There's writing, and then there's sculpting,
00:41:04.380 --> 00:41:06.300
there's painting, and there's all these different
00:41:06.300 --> 00:41:10.219
dancing. But comedy is a separate thing to me.
00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:15.269
It's not just a genre. I agree with that. My
00:41:15.269 --> 00:41:21.090
favorite podcast is Lewis Howe's School of Greatness.
00:41:21.650 --> 00:41:26.750
And he has really great episodes. And I've interacted
00:41:26.750 --> 00:41:29.070
with him multiple times on social media, which
00:41:29.070 --> 00:41:31.730
was pretty cool. I mean, which is pretty cool.
00:41:32.050 --> 00:41:36.289
And I said to my followers and his followers,
00:41:36.409 --> 00:41:38.769
one day I'm going to be on your show. And he
00:41:38.769 --> 00:41:41.010
actually wrote back to me and said, I look forward
00:41:41.010 --> 00:41:44.699
to it. That's a challenge. That's a challenge
00:41:44.699 --> 00:41:48.659
accepted. And you know what's funny? I had a
00:41:48.659 --> 00:41:51.699
podcaster who came on my show. He actually got
00:41:51.699 --> 00:41:56.599
to meet Lewis Howes. And we didn't have enough
00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.840
time in the episode to talk about how he met
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:03.320
him. But I was like, I want to meet him so damn
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:08.320
bad. Lewis Howes, if you're hearing this, I want
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:12.880
to meet you so badly. I mean in person, not just
00:42:12.880 --> 00:42:18.840
on screen. That'd be really cool. And my last
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:20.960
question for you is, where can people follow
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.340
you, learn more about who you are and what you
00:42:23.340 --> 00:42:26.380
do, and where can people find your books? Shakespeare.
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.980
Well, if you go to ChristophMorrow .com, that
00:42:30.980 --> 00:42:35.820
has links to everything that I have and do. But
00:42:35.820 --> 00:42:40.400
my book is on Amazon, and it's on Kobo. Yeah.
00:42:40.460 --> 00:42:43.699
And I'm on, I'm on, I'm really just on it. I'm
00:42:43.699 --> 00:42:47.019
on Instagram, Facebook, and Tik TOK, at least
00:42:47.019 --> 00:42:50.079
from Tik TOK for now, where it's going, what's
00:42:50.079 --> 00:42:52.480
going to happen to that. Uh, because that's actually
00:42:52.480 --> 00:42:54.800
like, I, most of my followers are on Tik TOK.
00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.300
Like I have like 6 ,000 on there. So now I'm
00:42:57.300 --> 00:43:00.659
concerned. I won't have any of those anymore.
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:04.320
Um, but, uh, yeah. So that's, that's, um, yeah.
00:43:06.280 --> 00:43:10.519
That's cool. Cool. I'll put all those in the
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:14.460
show notes for everyone to find. And yeah, and
00:43:14.460 --> 00:43:17.800
I hopefully, I want to get you back on again
00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:22.480
because I think we can talk some more about self
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.239
-forgiveness and also maybe by the time I have
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:29.340
you back on, maybe your fourth book will be out.
00:43:29.659 --> 00:43:34.719
Yeah, that'd be great. And let's stay in touch.
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:38.300
Yeah, thank you. I treasure your trust. We appreciate
00:43:38.300 --> 00:43:44.579
it. I will follow you on social media. And if
00:43:44.579 --> 00:43:47.880
I forget in a couple of days, don't take offense
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:52.780
at it. My brain is just math, math, math. So
00:43:52.780 --> 00:43:58.980
I'll definitely reach back out again probably
00:43:58.980 --> 00:44:02.800
next week at some point. But just my brain is
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:06.389
like, if I do want to. math problem i'm just
00:44:06.389 --> 00:44:08.949
gonna just like bang my head against the keyboard
00:44:08.949 --> 00:44:14.289
yeah no i sympathize i'm glad the summary always
00:44:14.289 --> 00:44:18.570
has sympathizers so uh thank you and uh let's
00:44:18.570 --> 00:44:22.139
stay in touch yeah thanks jerry So that's all
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