Unveiling the Ultimate Thriller: Luke Murphy’s Suspenseful Crime Novel ‘The Cradle Will Fall’

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Welcome to another episode of Crazy Fitness Guy

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Healthy Living Podcast slash Weekly Motivation

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with Crazy Fitness Guy. Now, I'm usually at Karate

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on Monday nights, but because I have my author

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friend in the building, well, technically, metaphorically,

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virtually in the building, not in the same exact

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room, but wouldn't that be awesome if I got to

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meet Luke Murphy in the same exact room? That

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would be great. Maybe someday. Exactly. We should

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definitely do it. He's written how many books

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is it? Five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten? Seven

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now. And I'm going to full disclosure, I have

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not read his new book yet, but I can only say

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that it's going to definitely be amazing because

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he's definitely an amazing author. I'm just going

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to dive into it, this episode, without any wasting

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more time, because why not? Welcome aboard, Luke

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Murphy. Thanks for having me, Jimmy. It's always

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fun. So before we get started, can you give us

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a little synopsis about your new book that just

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came out, I believe September -ish? Yeah, it

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was the end of the month. Yeah, absolutely. I'll

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give you a little synopsis. So The Cradle Will

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Fall is, I'd say, a sequel to Rockabye Baby,

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which makes sense because, you know, Rockabye

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Baby, The Cradle Will Fall. So it's featuring

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Charlene Taylor and Calvin Waters, who are the

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two protagonists in my series. So I have the

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two series going. I've decided for the second

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time these two would be in the same book together.

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I originally had them together in Red Zone, which

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was back in 2020. And so I decided to put them

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in together again as following a case. I don't

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want to give too much away for those readers

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who haven't read it yet, including yourself.

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So it is following the same case that they followed

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back in. Rockabye Baby. So for those of you who

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read that, it was about a baby selling ring where

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American babies were being kidnapped and sold

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overseas. And so basically the case is reopened

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and Charlene and Calvin go overseas to the Ukraine

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to investigate. And well, you'll have to read

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the rest to find out what happens. Leaves it

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on a cliffhanger. So I'm going to ask you a question.

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Why keeps it going as an author writing these

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books? Because I know, like, I read pretty much

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all of them except for the recent one. And I

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see you, like, leaving cliffhangers and cliffhangers,

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twists and turns. How do you get all these ideas

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in your head? Because sometimes my idea is just

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like, I can't put them all together. Yeah. It's

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hard for me to pinpoint one certain location

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or time where ideas come to me. It's funny because

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I remember when I released my first novel in

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2012, and nobody really knew I wrote, like none

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of my friends or none of my family. And I remember

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my wife's friends coming up to her and saying,

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like, your husband has a weird mind. So, you

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know, for this novel in particular, The Cradle

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Will Fall, I kind of had the idea right as I

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was ending Rockabye Baby, right? As I was coming

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to the conclusion, finishing off the novel Rockabye

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Baby, I kind of had an idea how I could extend

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this story and another path I could follow in

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terms of this investigation with these characters.

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So the idea came just as I was writing. Like,

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I don't know. why it came out of the blue like

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it did. But as I said, as I was completing that

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novel, I had a like a, oh, wait, this could happen

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too. So I kind of held on to that because I wrote

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another book in between, a novel in between,

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just with Calvin Waters. So I had to keep hold

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of those ideas and jot them down for a later

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date. And so the novel was actually supposed

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to come out last year. But with the war in Ukraine

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happening and with my book being set in Ukraine,

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I didn't really feel it was probably a good time

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to release a book where it made the Ukrainians

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and Russians look bad. So I waited for this year.

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And so I released it last month, a couple months

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now ago, I guess. And, you know, I've been very

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happy with reviews so far. That's good. I also

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just wanted to ask, theoretically, if some Hollywood

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producer came to you to make a movie as Charlene

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Taylor or Calvin Waters, who could you see applying

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it to? Really good question. So whenever I first

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created the novels, the characters, sorry, I

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think you always kind of have an image in mind

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of someone who, if you were looking at them,

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what they would look like. I know when I first

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created Calvin Waters, the first novel was released

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in 2012, but I actually started writing the story

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in 2005. So again, that's almost 20 years ago.

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Back then I had Denzel Washington in my mind.

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Obviously Denzel would be too old now to play

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the part. But when I first created the character,

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that was the person I had kind of envisioned

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as a Calvin Waters. And then as the years go

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on, you've got someone like The Rock. I think

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The Rock would have made a really good Calvin

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Waters. Jamie Foxx at one point was another guy

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I was thinking about. So certainly, the guy who

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plays Black Panther in those movies, his name,

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I can't think of his name right now, but there's

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been lots of people on screen I see as potential.

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As for Charlene, I never really thought as much

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about Charlene Taylor. Monica Potter might have

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been the one when I first originally started

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writing Charlene way back in 2001. So that was

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when I first created Charlene Taylor. I had seen

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Monica Potter on a movie, a James Patterson movie.

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And I saw my novels as similar to the James Patterson

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style genre and the short chapters, the quick

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reads. In his movie, I can't think of the name

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of the movie now. Anyways, it was a really good

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movie. And she was a character in there. And

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I kind of pictured her as maybe being Charlene

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Taylor. But again, that was 25 years ago almost.

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So again, she's probably too old now to play

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Charlene. But it's funny you bring this up because

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I currently have a film agent shopping around

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a Charlene Taylor screenplay that I put together

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with a screenwriter. Kiss and Tell, we turned

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it into a screenplay, and she is currently shopping

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it around to producers and directors and movie

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companies and, of course, streaming services

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to try to see if there's any interest in having

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a Charlene Taylor movie. on, on the screen. So,

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uh, it's good timing for that question, Jimmy.

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And it's a great question. Um, but as I said,

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who I originally had for those characters are,

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they're kind of too old now. Uh, so I'd have

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to do some shopping around. Well, uh, not to,

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uh, heal any flames of the fire to, uh, in Hollywood,

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but, uh, and maybe this might sound a little

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controversial, but, uh, I'll just say if M. Night

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Shyamalan comes along and offers to direct a

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movie, run the hell away. Only because he watched

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one of my favorite shows because he just didn't

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like it. And he's like, I can make it better.

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And it's like, yeah, it's got almost 100 % on

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Rotten Tomatoes, so almost perfect score, and

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you think you can make it better. Yeah, well,

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I mean, if he gives me enough money, Jimmy, you

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know, I don't know if I can turn him down. I

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would turn him down. I'm sorry. Just because,

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I mean, I haven't seen any of his current films

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because it's just like a lot of terror and whatnot.

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kind of stuff doesn't appeal to me and my brain

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is like an automatic replay and so it's like

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if i see one of those movies i'm like great i'm

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gonna go to bed with all that stuff in my mind

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great lovely so uh so i meant that maybe he's

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learned a few from his past mistakes but i was

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like still it was like it just hurts me after

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watching that for two hours and what the hell

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did i watch Worst two -hour film I've ever seen.

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And what I'm talking about is The Last Airbender.

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That's what he called it. Not recommended? No.

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And there's a lot of people who say, like, it's

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really good. And then the people who actually

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saw the original series, like, this is really,

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really bad. You'll see a mix of people with that.

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Take your word for it. My next question for you

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is, during some of these books, have you ever

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toyed with killing off with one of the other

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main characters in the books? No, that's always

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a possibility. I have had reoccurring characters

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that have died off, that have been killed. I've

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never had one of my major ones killed. I always

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wondered what the blowback would be from readers

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about killing off a character they had grown

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to love or that they had been following for three

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or four or multiple books. I always wondered

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what authors... I write for my readers. I wouldn't

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want to write something that would make them

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want to stop reading. Certainly, as a writer,

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I would try to cater to my readers. So I try

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to create characters that they can make connections

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with who are flawed, very human, again, that

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they can relate to. So I've never killed off

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one of my main characters. I haven't even thought

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of it, really. But, I mean, the possibility is

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always open, right? There's always a chance that

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it could happen down the line somewhere if it

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fit into the story plot and if I thought it would

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really help to push the story ahead, push the

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series ahead. I was kidding. The reason I brought

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up that question is because I saw it. I get a

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lot of recommendation emails from Amazon about

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genres I'm interested in and whatnot. And, like,

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of course I'm a fan of James Patterson and whatnot.

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His latest title was, like, Alex Cross Must Die.

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And before that was, like, Kill Alex Cross. What

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is wrong with this guy? Are you trying to kill

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your main character? What the hell are you doing

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wrong with? I'd be very surprised if Alex Cross

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dies because he makes James Patterson a lot of

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money, that character. There would be no series,

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right? Once he's dead, unless they create somehow

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how one of his children takes over his cases

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or something. To kill off a character that has

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made that man so much money. so much fame and

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fortune that it would be gutsy to do for sure

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but you wouldn't hold it past james patterson

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because he pretty well is the master at the genre

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so uh you know he usually everything he does

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usually turns out successful yeah but i was like

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kind of worried it's like Should I read this?

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I was like, what the heck is going on? I know

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there's bad guys trying to kill Alex Cross, but

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holy moly. I was like, okay, kill Alex Cross,

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and Alex Cross must die. I know his earlier novels

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wasn't even killing Alex Cross, and I was like,

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I get he made enemies, but holy crap. Victim

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number one, he must go. Yes, he has a lot of

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enemies for sure in those novels. So I want to

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ask you my next question for you is when you're

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writing these books, how do you figure, do you

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have the plot in mind when you're doing it or

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do you just like, you know, I'm going to wing

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it and then I might just. Revamp it after a while.

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So every novel has been different. Some novels

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I plot all the way out from first page to last

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page. I have the problem and the solution all

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figured out. And some novels, as you said, I

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just kind of wing it. I know how I want to get

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it started. I know the characters I want. So

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as I start writing, it might come to me where

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I can go to next. And some novels I plot out

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as I go. So I'll plot out chapter by chapter.

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So I'll write a chapter and then I'll leave myself

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notes about what I want the next chapter to read.

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So I've done kind of all three types of things.

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It's certainly a lot easier to write when you

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plot it all out ahead of time. It's certainly

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a lot faster to go. But I don't really have a

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preference. Again, every book is different and

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it depends. uh you know how many ideas i have

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going into it so um most of my plotting starts

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uh in the the two weeks of final exams at high

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school so as i'm an invigilator in the gym you

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know you walk up and down the the aisles of the

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desk all the deaths are in the gym and you walk

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up and down the aisles as kids are writing their

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exam just to make sure no one's cheating and

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i'll have a little notepad with me and i'm jotting

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down notes uh for my summer because that's i

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know that's what i want to do the first day of

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summer holidays is start working on draft one

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of my new novels so I usually start planning

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those two weeks. So it depends how the planning

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goes. If I have a lot of notes, then perfect.

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I can get going. If I don't have a lot of notes,

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then it'll be a winged type of novel. Well, I

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know for myself, sometimes when I'm writing something

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for my articles on my website or articles for

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publications, I know what I want to write in

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mine, but then sometimes I just like, yeah, I'm

00:19:25.920 --> 00:19:28.759
just going to pitch it to somebody. If they like

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it, great. If they don't. I'll just publish myself

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and it's like I published. And yeah, that's another,

00:19:35.839 --> 00:19:37.960
like I might have a full page of notes and I

00:19:37.960 --> 00:19:39.720
might not use any of them. Like I might start

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writing and say, yeah, now this isn't going to

00:19:41.700 --> 00:19:43.740
work. I need to go in a different direction and

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just change my mind. So just like you, it's when

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you sit down and get ready to write, that's when

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you make a decision whether you're going to write

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what you had planned or if you're going to ad

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lib a little bit and then go off the path. Have

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you ever experienced a severe writer block? That's

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a good question. So when I traditionally publish,

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so when I traditionally publish my first three

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novels, and that's kind of when it's a little

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more stressful because your agent and editors

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and publishers are giving you deadlines that

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you need to hit. You can get writer's block,

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right? You sit down and say, okay, I need to

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have 5 ,000 words written today. And then all

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of a sudden, boom, you get hit with writer's

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block. And then the stress starts, right? Because

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you know you have deadlines. My last four novels

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have been self -published. And I don't give myself

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any deadlines. So if I do have writer's block,

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as you call it, if I sit down and nothing's coming,

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I don't stress. I just shut the computer off.

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Go to bed. Right. And then I'll get up the next

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day and open, turn the computer back on and see

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what happens. So I never struggle from writer's

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block in terms of, you know, days, weeks, months

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at a time. I've been fortunate, I guess. But

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as a self -published author now, it wouldn't

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stress me if I did, because I just I have nobody

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other than my readers. That is one thing with

00:21:21.490 --> 00:21:24.319
being a self -published author is. you have readers

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waiting for your next book. So you're, excuse

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me, you're always waiting for, sorry, your readers

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are always waiting for that next book. And if

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you go too long between books, you know, chances

00:21:37.559 --> 00:21:39.380
are I'm going to be forgotten about because I'm

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not James Patterson. Yes, from your lips to God's

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ears. So if you're not a big name, well -known

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author. there's a chance you're going to get

00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:53.440
forgotten about if you don't have novels coming

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out at least once every couple of years. So that's

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my pressure I put on myself is for my readers,

00:22:00.640 --> 00:22:04.279
because I don't want to lose my readers. I don't

00:22:04.279 --> 00:22:06.740
have a lot of readers compared to some authors,

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but they are certainly... One of the most loyal

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groups I've ever been connected with. They're

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great on social media. They interact. They share

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things. They're giving me feedback all the time.

00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:22.599
So certainly I wouldn't want to let them down.

00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:27.420
Well, to be honest, I will always be one of your

00:22:27.420 --> 00:22:31.200
readers, and I'm not just saying that, especially

00:22:31.200 --> 00:22:36.680
because – and I'm sorry to admit this to James

00:22:36.680 --> 00:22:43.579
Patterson, I'm literally behind the rest of the

00:22:43.579 --> 00:22:48.460
Alex Cross series, and also this NYPD Red series

00:22:48.460 --> 00:22:51.660
I was reading. I'm behind two books of that,

00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.759
probably eight books of the Alex Cross series,

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and I'm only one book behind yours. Wow. I appreciate

00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:06.099
that. Certainly do. But, uh, the, the fact is

00:23:06.099 --> 00:23:07.740
James Patterson comes out with a book, I think

00:23:07.740 --> 00:23:12.539
every month. So yeah, it'd be easy to fall behind.

00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:14.740
I think he has like a whole team of writers and

00:23:14.740 --> 00:23:17.519
he just kind of writes his name on, on the, on

00:23:17.519 --> 00:23:20.279
the, on the cover. And, uh, like I think he has

00:23:20.279 --> 00:23:22.420
multiple people working for him where he just

00:23:22.420 --> 00:23:24.359
kind of looks it over to make sure it's, it's

00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:28.220
okay. But, um, Yeah, for someone to release as

00:23:28.220 --> 00:23:33.480
many novels as he does, it's unbelievable. Sometimes

00:23:33.480 --> 00:23:35.880
I think he's like a robot that doesn't sleep.

00:23:36.220 --> 00:23:38.960
He's like, he's sick early, he's nailing it from

00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:41.519
out of space, he's like, do -do -do -do -do -do

00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:45.660
-do -do, six thousand bucks later. It's crazy.

00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:50.579
I think after this, I'm going to have to Google,

00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:52.640
like, how many books does James Patterson have?

00:23:52.720 --> 00:23:54.900
It probably has like six million books or something.

00:23:55.339 --> 00:23:59.900
Yeah, that would be interesting to see. So, what

00:23:59.900 --> 00:24:04.759
inspires you to keep going as a writer? Because

00:24:04.759 --> 00:24:07.460
you said you've written how many books? Four

00:24:07.460 --> 00:24:11.039
or five? I've written seven. I've published seven.

00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:14.619
Oh, my apologies. Sorry. No, that's okay. Oh,

00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:18.609
that's an easy question. Absolutely, it is my

00:24:18.609 --> 00:24:21.750
readers. That's what inspires me. That's what

00:24:21.750 --> 00:24:25.509
motivates me. That's what keeps me going. As

00:24:25.509 --> 00:24:29.289
I said, I have a nice little stable of readers

00:24:29.289 --> 00:24:33.910
right now who I really care about and really

00:24:33.910 --> 00:24:37.150
want to keep them. I want to keep impressing

00:24:37.150 --> 00:24:42.250
them and keep them entertained. So those are

00:24:42.250 --> 00:24:45.569
the people I write for, absolutely. Have you

00:24:45.569 --> 00:24:51.150
ever thought about writing a spy novel? I thought

00:24:51.150 --> 00:24:56.910
about going into other genres. The thing is that

00:24:56.910 --> 00:25:00.450
for me, I'm a bit of a perfectionist and I'd

00:25:00.450 --> 00:25:04.190
want to write the best novel I could. So in order

00:25:04.190 --> 00:25:05.890
for me to write in another genre, I'd have to

00:25:05.890 --> 00:25:08.730
start reading other genres and kind of get to

00:25:08.730 --> 00:25:11.210
know what readers are looking for and things.

00:25:14.099 --> 00:25:16.619
mystery, thriller, suspense, those are the types

00:25:16.619 --> 00:25:19.059
of books I read, the type of movies I watch.

00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.160
So it kind of made sense for me to write in those

00:25:21.160 --> 00:25:23.759
genres. If I was going to write in another genre,

00:25:23.759 --> 00:25:25.539
I'd certainly have to do some research first

00:25:25.539 --> 00:25:29.400
to figure out what I needed to do. Makes sense.

00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:33.759
Like, for instance, I actually saw, I don't know

00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:36.859
if you ever heard of this author. His name is

00:25:36.859 --> 00:25:42.980
Anthony Horowitz. I think I just saw something

00:25:42.980 --> 00:25:47.460
on his social media at some point. I mean, it

00:25:47.460 --> 00:25:51.720
was from Amazon. He just started, like, writing

00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:58.140
a James Bond novel. And I was like, huh, interesting.

00:25:58.500 --> 00:26:00.240
And it's like, I think they should have just

00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.259
gave that to him the first time because he was

00:26:02.259 --> 00:26:05.480
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it. I think that's maybe the 14th or 16th book

00:27:43.579 --> 00:27:49.720
in the series. I'm only one behind of him. I've

00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:51.359
never read any of him, but I've heard of him.

00:27:51.380 --> 00:27:53.359
I heard he's very good. I've never read any of

00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:58.900
his. He also kind of reminds me a little bit

00:27:58.900 --> 00:28:03.619
of your writing as well, just because he leaves

00:28:03.619 --> 00:28:10.059
a lot of cliffhangers. And there's not like a

00:28:10.059 --> 00:28:14.779
criticism of James Patterson, but sometimes it

00:28:14.779 --> 00:28:17.319
just feels like sometimes at the end of the book,

00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:19.839
it's like, oh, they caught the killer. And that's

00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.619
it. And it's like, if you can keep making those,

00:28:22.660 --> 00:28:24.940
like, that's great. But it's kind of like the

00:28:24.940 --> 00:28:27.880
Bones TV show after a while where it's like,

00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:30.529
oh, we caught the killer. And it's like. That's

00:28:30.529 --> 00:28:34.490
not realistic in real life. I was like, can you

00:28:34.490 --> 00:28:38.049
have a continuation, part two? Or think, oh,

00:28:38.069 --> 00:28:40.029
we finally caught the killer, but then all of

00:28:40.029 --> 00:28:42.809
a sudden it just takes a dramatic twist at the

00:28:42.809 --> 00:28:46.809
very end, and you're just like, your mouth just

00:28:46.809 --> 00:28:50.789
drops open like, huh? Leaves you wanting more.

00:28:51.289 --> 00:28:55.509
Yeah. I remember in your last book, one of the

00:28:55.509 --> 00:29:01.640
people that I think Calvin meant he, like, you're

00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:05.339
just, like, off to his, like, off to other guys

00:29:05.339 --> 00:29:08.599
just, like, instantly. I was like, I thought

00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.299
that was the guy who did it. It was, like, he

00:29:11.299 --> 00:29:15.119
was off to him. He was like, obviously this is

00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.799
not the guy. I was like, Luke Murphy is always

00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:22.640
one step ahead of me, damn it. I can't figure

00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:34.039
this out. So my next question for you is, when

00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:38.099
you're watching TV shows and movies and murder

00:29:38.099 --> 00:29:45.480
mystery and mayhem, so to speak, what kind of,

00:29:45.480 --> 00:29:48.740
like, do you get any inspiration from those stuff?

00:29:48.900 --> 00:29:53.460
And has anybody ever said, like, are you a little

00:29:53.460 --> 00:29:59.710
sickened up in the upstairs area? Well, yeah,

00:29:59.950 --> 00:30:04.069
I think I said this earlier. My wife's friends

00:30:04.069 --> 00:30:07.349
were talking to her like, oh, geez, your husband

00:30:07.349 --> 00:30:10.509
has a really weird mind. And I don't know what

00:30:10.509 --> 00:30:12.849
he's thinking half the time. But for your other

00:30:12.849 --> 00:30:15.670
question about the movies, if I watch the murder

00:30:15.670 --> 00:30:17.829
suspense movies and what I'm thinking and stuff,

00:30:17.990 --> 00:30:20.730
you know, you got to be really careful about.

00:30:21.710 --> 00:30:24.849
Making sure that you're not taking things from

00:30:24.849 --> 00:30:29.269
movies you watch or books you read. Normally,

00:30:29.609 --> 00:30:33.690
when I'm writing a first draft of a novel, I'm

00:30:33.690 --> 00:30:36.529
not reading anything at that time because I wouldn't

00:30:36.529 --> 00:30:40.609
want to subconsciously steal something that was

00:30:40.609 --> 00:30:42.569
in a book or that was in a movie or something.

00:30:43.390 --> 00:30:46.809
The fact is there's only so many plots in the

00:30:46.809 --> 00:30:51.819
world, so many conflicts. that eventually they're

00:30:51.819 --> 00:30:54.220
going to overlap, right, other books. But you

00:30:54.220 --> 00:30:57.500
want to make sure to distinguish it somehow,

00:30:57.819 --> 00:31:02.539
you know, if they're comparing the two books

00:31:02.539 --> 00:31:05.640
that make yours different somehow, that makes

00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.359
readers want to read yours or make it, you know,

00:31:08.380 --> 00:31:12.039
a little bit better somehow. But certainly it's

00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:15.299
tough because I'm writing murder mysteries and

00:31:15.299 --> 00:31:17.819
there's a lot of authors out there writing murder

00:31:17.819 --> 00:31:20.579
mysteries. So, you know, even the simple thing

00:31:20.579 --> 00:31:23.420
as a kidnapping case. I mean, how many books

00:31:23.420 --> 00:31:25.220
and movies have you seen about kidnapping cases?

00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:27.579
There's lots of them, right? So you've got to

00:31:27.579 --> 00:31:29.440
try to do something a little different in yours

00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:32.140
that sets it apart from those other stories that

00:31:32.140 --> 00:31:37.259
are similar in a way. So, yeah. And I think that...

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know, why did they do that when they should have

00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.099
done this type thing? I think I'm a little more

00:32:54.099 --> 00:32:58.259
critical of movies and books and stuff. And so

00:32:58.259 --> 00:33:00.339
maybe it just doesn't let me kind of relax and

00:33:00.339 --> 00:33:03.440
enjoy it as much as I probably should. uh don't

00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.960
get me wrong i love movies i love i love a good

00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:08.259
book and stuff so that i still see a lot of them

00:33:08.259 --> 00:33:11.579
but um it might make me think a little differently

00:33:11.579 --> 00:33:14.440
because now that i write uh stuff similarly to

00:33:14.440 --> 00:33:18.019
that but uh and my wife and my wife will always

00:33:18.019 --> 00:33:20.240
say you know would you would you have written

00:33:20.240 --> 00:33:23.099
it like that or type things so it's kind of fun

00:33:23.099 --> 00:33:27.440
to just you know if to think you know what if

00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:30.519
the author would have done this or what if the

00:33:30.519 --> 00:33:34.869
screenwriter would have went this way um yeah

00:33:34.869 --> 00:33:38.210
but uh going back to your original question i

00:33:38.210 --> 00:33:43.009
i try not to um pull things that i've seen again

00:33:43.009 --> 00:33:44.869
even if it's subconsciously and i don't even

00:33:44.869 --> 00:33:47.029
don't even think about doing it and and then

00:33:47.029 --> 00:33:48.890
later on you're like oh crap that that was the

00:33:48.890 --> 00:33:52.029
same thing i saw in that movie um so you got

00:33:52.029 --> 00:33:55.190
to be really careful with things like that so

00:33:55.190 --> 00:33:59.309
my next question is for you is like How would

00:33:59.309 --> 00:34:03.490
that work? Like, let's just say if you didn't,

00:34:03.490 --> 00:34:08.989
I mean, not like, I don't know, something like

00:34:08.989 --> 00:34:12.309
saying like, oh, you're deliberately taken from

00:34:12.309 --> 00:34:17.619
like a show, but let's say something. theoretically

00:34:17.619 --> 00:34:20.260
let's say somebody in the show like poisoned

00:34:20.260 --> 00:34:24.159
somebody or something and it's like in your uh

00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:26.699
in your book somebody poisoned somebody and it's

00:34:26.699 --> 00:34:29.219
like how can they prove it and it's like oh you

00:34:29.219 --> 00:34:31.619
saw it from our show it's like but any murder

00:34:31.619 --> 00:34:35.000
person can literally poison somebody anybody

00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:38.260
yeah i i don't think there's any way you could

00:34:38.260 --> 00:34:42.179
prove it i mean it's funny because uh my calvin

00:34:42.179 --> 00:34:48.639
waters um I read a novel a few years ago from

00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:51.059
David Baldacci, who's an excellent, one of my

00:34:51.059 --> 00:34:54.000
favorite authors. And he had a character, a main

00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:55.639
character in one of his novels that was like

00:34:55.639 --> 00:34:59.380
identical to Calvin Waters. They look the same.

00:34:59.460 --> 00:35:01.800
They acted the same. They're both former football

00:35:01.800 --> 00:35:05.059
players. Like, it was like, I remember one of

00:35:05.059 --> 00:35:07.340
my readers actually reaching out to me saying,

00:35:07.539 --> 00:35:09.739
have you read this novel? You need to read this

00:35:09.739 --> 00:35:12.000
and check this character out. And I did. And

00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.440
I'm like. Wow, I couldn't believe the resemblance.

00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:18.739
And there's no way that David Baldacci, who's

00:35:18.739 --> 00:35:21.880
a world -famous millionaire author, ever stole

00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.519
it from me. But it just goes to show that there's

00:35:24.519 --> 00:35:27.159
only so many characters and plots and stuff that

00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:31.199
eventually something will overlap. And it's certainly

00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:33.460
nothing intentional. I know that he obviously

00:35:33.460 --> 00:35:35.639
didn't steal off me. He would never need to.

00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:40.539
But it's funny that eventually things will overlap.

00:35:41.550 --> 00:35:44.929
You got to know that it's not intentional. There's

00:35:44.929 --> 00:35:48.110
certainly copyright infringements out there that

00:35:48.110 --> 00:35:53.130
people have ownership to that you can't steal.

00:35:53.670 --> 00:35:59.190
I don't think that authors would steal from each

00:35:59.190 --> 00:36:02.789
other. They have their own ideas. But like you

00:36:02.789 --> 00:36:04.909
said, there's lots of times where things look

00:36:04.909 --> 00:36:12.039
very similar that it makes you wonder. borrow

00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:17.820
something from me? Well, I would like to hope

00:36:17.820 --> 00:36:22.199
that writers don't steal from others. And also,

00:36:22.340 --> 00:36:28.119
for instance, I was reading this other book and

00:36:28.119 --> 00:36:32.639
it got me thinking, didn't I just read something

00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:36.840
similar to this thing? But I was like, But then

00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:39.619
my brain kind of had a brain fart because I read

00:36:39.619 --> 00:36:42.260
a lot of different books throughout the year.

00:36:42.460 --> 00:36:46.320
And I was like, I can't pinpoint it. But I was

00:36:46.320 --> 00:36:49.000
like, I'm just going to let that theory go just

00:36:49.000 --> 00:36:52.699
because I'm not going to dig myself through all

00:36:52.699 --> 00:36:55.679
of that. Because what good is it going to come

00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:59.880
to? And I was like, not really much. And I was

00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:02.940
like, it might make me look bad. I was like,

00:37:03.019 --> 00:37:04.659
Jimmy, you have too much time on your hands.

00:37:05.230 --> 00:37:13.929
I don't. So my next question for you is, where

00:37:13.929 --> 00:37:20.909
do you think you would see Calvin and Charlene

00:37:20.909 --> 00:37:26.949
in the next couple of years? Well, I'm hoping

00:37:26.949 --> 00:37:30.050
I'm still writing novels featuring those two

00:37:30.050 --> 00:37:33.119
protagonists. I know I've had great... reviews

00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:35.880
and great comments from readers that they love

00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:40.099
the characters so um certainly i'd like to continue

00:37:40.099 --> 00:37:44.360
to have them grow um you know and they're going

00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:48.880
to get older so uh certainly things are going

00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:51.019
to change in their lives right priorities change

00:37:51.019 --> 00:37:54.380
and ideas change and you know what's important

00:37:54.380 --> 00:37:58.420
to them will change um you know i don't want

00:37:58.420 --> 00:38:00.139
to give too much away because i don't really

00:38:00.139 --> 00:38:03.880
know a whole lot but Certainly families might

00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:08.039
be created, children come along, things like

00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:13.360
that. It's going to be a book -to -book basis.

00:38:14.840 --> 00:38:17.599
And a lot of times the stories will take me places

00:38:17.599 --> 00:38:20.420
I've never really thought about, right? The characters

00:38:20.420 --> 00:38:24.099
and stories will take me places that weren't

00:38:24.099 --> 00:38:27.320
on my radar to begin with, and I'll have ideas

00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:32.050
as I go along. You know, that's a pretty good

00:38:32.050 --> 00:38:33.369
question. I've never been asked that before,

00:38:33.469 --> 00:38:36.429
but I certainly would like to continue writing

00:38:36.429 --> 00:38:40.530
both from Charlene and Calvin's perspectives.

00:38:44.090 --> 00:38:47.230
Yeah, I was actually also talking to someone

00:38:47.230 --> 00:38:55.190
else today about how I feel very related to Calvin

00:38:55.190 --> 00:39:02.599
in many ways. I've never played football or whatnot,

00:39:02.820 --> 00:39:08.139
but I've actually just been diagnosed with mild

00:39:08.139 --> 00:39:12.519
arthritis in my right knee. And I was like, wow,

00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:17.219
I feel very relatable to Calvin Waters here.

00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:21.460
Because I remember in the books, he suffers from

00:39:21.460 --> 00:39:26.400
different arthritis and severe... in certain

00:39:26.400 --> 00:39:28.739
places due to football injuries and whatnot,

00:39:29.019 --> 00:39:31.380
but it's like, well, at least now I can feel

00:39:31.380 --> 00:39:38.820
relatable to a fictional character. It's good.

00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:45.739
I mean, obviously, I know other people in real

00:39:45.739 --> 00:39:50.139
life would have arthritis as well, but it's also

00:39:50.139 --> 00:39:56.659
enjoyable to be able to relate to a fictional

00:39:56.659 --> 00:40:00.460
book character, especially because I, you know,

00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:06.000
as I, I read this book, I read a lot of the Luke

00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.320
Murphy's books and it's like, I like being relatable

00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:13.239
to these characters. It feels great. Yeah. I

00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:16.559
was the same as a reader. I mean, and, and that's

00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:19.619
where I try to create for my, my, my readers

00:40:19.619 --> 00:40:22.429
is. characters they can make a connection with,

00:40:22.469 --> 00:40:25.690
they can relate to. I know I'm a fiction writer,

00:40:25.889 --> 00:40:29.610
but I want things as close to reality as possible,

00:40:29.730 --> 00:40:32.250
whether that's plots or characters or details.

00:40:33.269 --> 00:40:36.429
You try to make it as close to reality. So I

00:40:36.429 --> 00:40:40.469
think that the more you can get readers to root

00:40:40.469 --> 00:40:42.489
for a character, the more they'll want to read

00:40:42.489 --> 00:40:48.469
about them. My next question is like a theoretical

00:40:48.469 --> 00:40:54.130
question. Could you ever see Calvin Waters and

00:40:54.130 --> 00:40:58.829
Charlene Taylor start dating? Oh, absolutely.

00:40:59.070 --> 00:41:01.989
I could see that. And I've had other people,

00:41:02.090 --> 00:41:05.889
readers ask me about that, that, you know, they

00:41:05.889 --> 00:41:08.469
thought that there'd be hints in there that.

00:41:09.070 --> 00:41:12.409
oh, my gosh, are they going to get together or

00:41:12.409 --> 00:41:16.690
whatever. But I did create, they're both in committed

00:41:16.690 --> 00:41:20.570
relationships right now with other people. So,

00:41:20.690 --> 00:41:23.110
but I would never say never down the road, never

00:41:23.110 --> 00:41:26.230
know what happens. In this novel, Cradle Will

00:41:26.230 --> 00:41:29.849
Fall, they actually are playing the part as husband

00:41:29.849 --> 00:41:33.449
and wife for the undercover case they're working.

00:41:34.440 --> 00:41:36.679
um you know there's always a hint there always

00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.440
is something going to happen is there going to

00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:41.400
be a spark as they're sharing a hotel room etc

00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:45.599
um is anything going to happen so um you know

00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.800
down the road i never uh say that's not a possibility

00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:54.300
it's i'm always open to to new ideas i i so can't

00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:59.679
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you ever, has this book ever been transformed

00:43:28.420 --> 00:43:32.050
into an audio book yet? I'm in the middle of

00:43:32.050 --> 00:43:35.010
doing that actually right now. My narrators are

00:43:35.010 --> 00:43:37.389
done their clips and I'm just listening through

00:43:37.389 --> 00:43:41.550
them, checking for any editing issues. So, you

00:43:41.550 --> 00:43:45.949
know, background noise or repetition or stuttering

00:43:45.949 --> 00:43:50.349
or pauses that shouldn't be there. So I'm actually

00:43:50.349 --> 00:43:56.550
halfway through. So I'm hoping for maybe a January

00:43:56.550 --> 00:44:02.219
release for that. Yeah. I said to somebody that

00:44:02.219 --> 00:44:09.039
I don't think I could ever do a narration for

00:44:09.039 --> 00:44:12.400
an audiobook because my voice sounds like nails

00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.340
on a chalkboard every time when I listen to myself

00:44:15.340 --> 00:44:18.739
talking in podcasts. And people are like, your

00:44:18.739 --> 00:44:21.159
voice is not bad. And it's like, it's not a James

00:44:21.159 --> 00:44:24.679
Earl Jones voice. It's not Morgan Freeman. My

00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.260
voice is like... I can't understand it. No, your

00:44:29.260 --> 00:44:31.699
voice isn't that bad. But I think that everybody,

00:44:31.940 --> 00:44:34.380
we just naturally don't like the sound of our

00:44:34.380 --> 00:44:37.760
voice. I know I'm the same when I listen to one

00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:39.719
of my interviews or whatever afterwards. I'm

00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:41.800
like, oh, my God, I sound like that. I could

00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:44.059
never narrate one of my own novels. There's just

00:44:44.059 --> 00:44:50.800
no way. Well, here's a fun fact. I uploaded a

00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:55.829
YouTube video on my channel just a day ago. Two

00:44:55.829 --> 00:45:02.369
days ago, actually, yeah, two days ago, and actually,

00:45:02.409 --> 00:45:06.769
three days ago, and it was me presenting at my

00:45:06.769 --> 00:45:10.590
aunt's school. You can barely hear any words

00:45:10.590 --> 00:45:13.050
of what I'm saying. It was filmed on my aunt's

00:45:13.050 --> 00:45:16.309
phone, and I was like, if I knew it was going

00:45:16.309 --> 00:45:22.119
to be this terrible quality. And I mean... The

00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:24.860
people in the room can hear me, but the microphone

00:45:24.860 --> 00:45:29.239
on the phone couldn't hear me. And I was like

00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.980
thinking to myself, my aunt has an iPhone and

00:45:31.980 --> 00:45:35.179
everything. And yes, I'm going to stir up some

00:45:35.179 --> 00:45:38.880
drama. I know here he comes. I was like, oh,

00:45:38.980 --> 00:45:40.980
way to go, Apple. It's like you can't make a

00:45:40.980 --> 00:45:45.340
decent microphone for a $1 ,000 phone. And I

00:45:45.340 --> 00:45:48.480
know I'm going to get some kickback on that,

00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:51.409
but I'm an Android user, so. What are you going

00:45:51.409 --> 00:45:55.829
to do about that? But I was like, oh, that's

00:45:55.829 --> 00:45:59.889
terrible quality. I know I can re -upload it,

00:45:59.989 --> 00:46:03.449
but I was like, okay, you know, maybe sometime

00:46:03.449 --> 00:46:06.590
next week, if I have time, I'm going to take

00:46:06.590 --> 00:46:10.409
it off of YouTube and I'm going to put in my

00:46:10.409 --> 00:46:13.630
video editing tool to make it higher because

00:46:13.630 --> 00:46:16.489
you can hear anything. I'm like... And I just

00:46:16.489 --> 00:46:19.409
pitched this to my middle school to speak at

00:46:19.409 --> 00:46:21.590
it. I was like, oh, that's great. I knew it was

00:46:21.590 --> 00:46:23.510
going to be this crappy. I wouldn't even send

00:46:23.510 --> 00:46:29.230
this. And I was like, oh, that's great. I was

00:46:29.230 --> 00:46:30.429
like, they should have given me a microphone.

00:46:30.989 --> 00:46:37.530
But so my next question for you is, what do you

00:46:37.530 --> 00:46:45.429
think? Let's say one of your books. does come

00:46:45.429 --> 00:46:49.510
into a movie, which book would you want it to

00:46:49.510 --> 00:46:56.550
be? See, I always pictured Calvin Waters as being

00:46:56.550 --> 00:47:00.929
on the screen. So Dead Man's Hand, the first

00:47:00.929 --> 00:47:07.550
Calvin Waters novel. I always thought, I don't

00:47:07.550 --> 00:47:09.949
know, just when I was creating that novel, I

00:47:09.949 --> 00:47:13.500
always pictured it. So as I was going scene by

00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:16.179
scene, I was picturing frame by frame of what

00:47:16.179 --> 00:47:21.440
it would look like on screen. But when the screenwriter,

00:47:21.440 --> 00:47:24.039
my screenwriter friend that I just met that reached

00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:28.659
out to me about turning my novels into screenplay,

00:47:28.699 --> 00:47:32.460
he chose Kiss and Tell. He chose the Charlene

00:47:32.460 --> 00:47:35.400
Taylor series because he said that right now,

00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:41.300
Hollywood is all about leading ladies. female

00:47:41.300 --> 00:47:44.460
protagonists are really becoming popular right

00:47:44.460 --> 00:47:46.940
now in Hollywood. So he thought that had the

00:47:46.940 --> 00:47:49.900
best possibility of being picked up. So that's

00:47:49.900 --> 00:47:51.820
the one. I had always pictured Calvin Waters,

00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:55.280
but we did the Charlene Taylor series as a screenplay

00:47:55.280 --> 00:48:01.079
because he thought that would have the best option

00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:09.090
of being picked up by studio. Hey guys, it is

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you don't mind if I share you with an opinion,

00:48:44.650 --> 00:48:49.590
I could see the very first Charlene Taylor novel

00:48:49.590 --> 00:48:55.650
and then maybe an introduction to Calvin Waters

00:48:55.650 --> 00:48:59.329
with Charlene. So then there's like, oh, okay,

00:48:59.469 --> 00:49:04.559
here's an introduction to Calvin. And then as

00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:07.840
a possibility, then there's like, oh, and then

00:49:07.840 --> 00:49:11.340
if they want to introduce Calvin as a standalone,

00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:15.480
then they can do that. But just as like, oh,

00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:18.460
it's not a male than a female, it's a female

00:49:18.460 --> 00:49:22.900
than a male, whatever, however one wants to look

00:49:22.900 --> 00:49:24.639
at it. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes perfect

00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:30.420
sense. And just from my point of view, like,

00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:32.420
you know, Calvin's kind of like rough around

00:49:32.420 --> 00:49:35.599
the edges a little bit. And if somebody's not

00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:39.000
very familiar with reading the books and whatnot,

00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:41.300
there's like, oh, that's a little rough around

00:49:41.300 --> 00:49:45.300
the edges. And it's like, this could be rated

00:49:45.300 --> 00:49:49.340
R or whatnot. I'm not saying it would be, but

00:49:49.340 --> 00:49:52.400
I mean, like. I don't know who rates the movies

00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:56.360
and whatnot, but this could be radar due to Calvin

00:49:56.360 --> 00:50:00.739
being the crap out of people in Las Vegas, so

00:50:00.739 --> 00:50:05.900
to speak. No spoilers. Oh, okay, spoiler. And

00:50:05.900 --> 00:50:10.960
then by the way, Charlene Taylor, who plays by

00:50:10.960 --> 00:50:17.340
the rules to an extent, she's a badass. Yeah,

00:50:17.420 --> 00:50:21.179
she really is. You're right. I would not want

00:50:21.179 --> 00:50:26.920
to mess with her. Nope. Tough cookie. Yeah. Oh,

00:50:27.000 --> 00:50:33.659
yikes. Good thing that Calvin doesn't end up

00:50:33.659 --> 00:50:38.780
with her yet, because imagine if you had to buy

00:50:38.780 --> 00:50:41.800
her a birthday present. Holy crap. That would

00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.460
be one picky person who's like, what did I pick

00:50:44.460 --> 00:50:49.400
out for her? Yikes. Here's a fun question I want

00:50:49.400 --> 00:50:56.380
to ask you. If the two, if Calvin and Charlene

00:50:56.380 --> 00:51:01.739
ended up together, could you see them like picturing,

00:51:01.739 --> 00:51:04.559
could you picture them like having a lot of fights

00:51:04.559 --> 00:51:07.079
because of the two that would just butt heads

00:51:07.079 --> 00:51:12.840
together? Yeah, you're right. They are very,

00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:16.460
maybe too similar in attitude, right? They both

00:51:16.460 --> 00:51:20.670
want, their own way. They don't really necessarily

00:51:20.670 --> 00:51:25.929
work well with others. They both have their own

00:51:25.929 --> 00:51:29.829
ideas. As I said, they want things done their

00:51:29.829 --> 00:51:31.869
own way. They're perfectionists at what they

00:51:31.869 --> 00:51:35.969
do. They want to be the best at everything. Yeah,

00:51:36.050 --> 00:51:38.409
they might collide. Their egos could collide

00:51:38.409 --> 00:51:42.050
for sure. The two books that I wrote with them,

00:51:42.130 --> 00:51:45.590
they seem to work well together as a team. Again,

00:51:45.730 --> 00:51:47.409
that would be totally different in a relationship,

00:51:47.610 --> 00:51:51.349
but just as a team, they seem to get along well

00:51:51.349 --> 00:51:55.050
and kind of feed off each other and not necessarily

00:51:55.050 --> 00:51:58.769
trying to one -up each other, but being motivated

00:51:58.769 --> 00:52:01.869
and inspired by each other. Did you ever see

00:52:01.869 --> 00:52:06.550
Calvin Waters joining the task force with Charlene

00:52:06.550 --> 00:52:10.909
and being his new so -called partner? Not like

00:52:10.909 --> 00:52:15.440
romantic partner, but partner -partner? No, I

00:52:15.440 --> 00:52:19.840
don't think Calvin likes to play by rules or

00:52:19.840 --> 00:52:22.159
laws. I think he likes to be able to take the

00:52:22.159 --> 00:52:25.239
law into his own hands when that's called upon.

00:52:25.940 --> 00:52:31.019
I don't think he, you know, we write him as not

00:52:31.019 --> 00:52:33.900
really someone who loves police officers, loves

00:52:33.900 --> 00:52:38.070
the law. So he's, you know, he's got a brother

00:52:38.070 --> 00:52:41.630
in law enforcement and then he has his best friends

00:52:41.630 --> 00:52:45.849
who are detectives in Vegas, too. So I think

00:52:45.849 --> 00:52:49.070
he just likes kind of being a cowboy and being

00:52:49.070 --> 00:52:50.889
able to do his own thing and not worry about

00:52:50.889 --> 00:52:53.710
whether he's breaking a law or not or breaking

00:52:53.710 --> 00:53:01.030
the police code. Yeah, I think I think what you

00:53:01.030 --> 00:53:04.489
did with Calvin Waters, he was a. private investigator

00:53:04.489 --> 00:53:11.429
correct yes that is correct yeah yeah i i definitely

00:53:11.429 --> 00:53:16.269
like that uh that i think what's kind of fun

00:53:16.269 --> 00:53:18.489
about this books is because it's like sometimes

00:53:18.489 --> 00:53:25.429
you like The average Joe is like, oh, man, I

00:53:25.429 --> 00:53:28.230
wish I could do something about this, but I can't

00:53:28.230 --> 00:53:30.570
do anything about it. But when you're reading

00:53:30.570 --> 00:53:32.849
about it, it's kind of like those feel -good

00:53:32.849 --> 00:53:40.969
TV shows. There's a movie called The Champions

00:53:40.969 --> 00:53:45.510
with Woody Harrelson. I can't pronounce his last

00:53:45.510 --> 00:53:53.329
name. Yeah, and he's teaching this group of special,

00:53:53.590 --> 00:53:56.690
I don't want to say special needs, a group with

00:53:56.690 --> 00:54:01.090
extra challenges, with all different personality

00:54:01.090 --> 00:54:06.489
types and whatnot. And they all have, and these

00:54:06.489 --> 00:54:11.210
actors, they all have those challenges in real

00:54:11.210 --> 00:54:15.809
life. They're not just portraying it in the movies.

00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:22.719
And one thing I really liked about it, and one

00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.719
thing I would have liked them to, I could have

00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:31.360
seen their main characters, probably by Woody,

00:54:31.519 --> 00:54:35.079
would have been like, well, not to give away

00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:37.980
spoilers, but like one of the people on the team

00:54:37.980 --> 00:54:40.440
gets fired from his job. I'm not going to say

00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:43.840
which job, but he's like, I could see them like

00:54:43.840 --> 00:54:47.909
writing a letter to, an article in the newspaper

00:54:47.909 --> 00:54:52.030
and getting those restaurants shut down or I

00:54:52.030 --> 00:54:55.289
mean sorry the business shut down and I was like

00:54:55.289 --> 00:54:57.969
that would have been really cool but they went

00:54:57.969 --> 00:55:02.389
some other kind of way and which is kind of weird

00:55:02.389 --> 00:55:05.250
because and it didn't make sense to me because

00:55:05.250 --> 00:55:09.130
anybody could look up anybody on the internet

00:55:09.130 --> 00:55:13.170
and see if the person's real or not so I was

00:55:13.170 --> 00:55:15.829
like That would never happen in real life because

00:55:15.829 --> 00:55:22.030
in the whole movie, they all have smartphones

00:55:22.030 --> 00:55:24.829
and whatnot. So it's like, okay, this is not

00:55:24.829 --> 00:55:29.690
like flip phones and whatnot. So it's like anybody

00:55:29.690 --> 00:55:32.389
could look up anything anywhere. So it's like,

00:55:32.449 --> 00:55:35.989
this is not realistic to me. And it's like the

00:55:35.989 --> 00:55:38.309
letter would have been, the article would have

00:55:38.309 --> 00:55:40.750
been so much like a nice touch to it. And it's

00:55:40.750 --> 00:55:44.059
like, oh, but that's. That's just my point of

00:55:44.059 --> 00:55:49.260
view. But basically my point was, I don't know

00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:53.559
where my point was going on that, but my point

00:55:53.559 --> 00:55:56.840
was that it was basically just like a feel -good

00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:00.300
movie, but it's also just like something's like,

00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:03.639
oh, I wish I could do something like that. And

00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:06.980
it's like just help someone out. And it's like,

00:56:07.059 --> 00:56:10.639
oh, just be kind of like Calvin Waters and say,

00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:13.590
I don't play by the damn rules. There you go.

00:56:14.110 --> 00:56:19.110
Not like illegal or whatnot budget, but just

00:56:19.110 --> 00:56:23.690
like, I wish I could tell this to somebody, but

00:56:23.690 --> 00:56:27.130
I can't do this. Just because it would ruin my

00:56:27.130 --> 00:56:29.190
reputation or someone else's reputation. I was

00:56:29.190 --> 00:56:31.889
like, if only you could go break in that person's

00:56:31.889 --> 00:56:37.269
office, damn it. So my last few questions is,

00:56:38.269 --> 00:56:40.610
Where can people follow you, find you, and learn

00:56:40.610 --> 00:56:43.630
more about who you are and what you do? And where

00:56:43.630 --> 00:56:48.110
can they find your books? Yeah, so I'm on all

00:56:48.110 --> 00:56:50.409
social media. I'm on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter,

00:56:50.590 --> 00:56:54.010
or X, I guess they call it now. Just look up

00:56:54.010 --> 00:56:57.829
Author Luke Murphy. I also have a website, authorlukemurphy

00:56:57.829 --> 00:57:01.070
.com. They can join my mailing list on my website.

00:57:02.869 --> 00:57:06.829
As for my books, the e -book is available on

00:57:06.829 --> 00:57:11.389
Amazon. Paperback also available on Amazon and

00:57:11.389 --> 00:57:13.849
maybe in bookstores and libraries. You need to

00:57:13.849 --> 00:57:16.630
go to your local bookstore to find out. Again,

00:57:16.750 --> 00:57:19.269
I don't know which bookstores carry it. I never

00:57:19.269 --> 00:57:21.250
know unless I go in and actually look for them.

00:57:22.469 --> 00:57:25.489
But your best bet is always Amazon. I'll look

00:57:25.489 --> 00:57:28.829
up Luke Murphy and I've got seven novels on there.

00:57:28.949 --> 00:57:31.349
And the audiobooks, all my audiobooks are also

00:57:31.349 --> 00:57:38.289
on audible .com. So if you're interested in that,

00:57:38.409 --> 00:57:42.690
again, Rockabye Baby is on there, but The Cradle

00:57:42.690 --> 00:57:44.650
Will Fall, my newest novel, is not on there yet.

00:57:44.690 --> 00:57:48.030
Hopefully, well, certainly in 2024, it will be

00:57:48.030 --> 00:57:51.050
on there. So that is a current work in progress.

00:57:51.969 --> 00:57:55.750
And my next question for you is, who's your favorite

00:57:55.750 --> 00:57:59.730
podcaster and why? And feel free not to say me.

00:58:02.210 --> 00:58:04.409
Well, it would be you. To be honest, I don't

00:58:04.409 --> 00:58:08.590
listen to a whole lot of podcasts. I like listening

00:58:08.590 --> 00:58:11.409
to sports shows, so anything in sports I enjoy.

00:58:14.190 --> 00:58:19.409
Again, when I'm in the vehicle, it usually means

00:58:19.409 --> 00:58:22.969
I'm driving one of my daughters somewhere, so

00:58:22.969 --> 00:58:25.510
I'm probably listening to their crappy music

00:58:25.510 --> 00:58:30.269
that the kids listen to these days. And as I

00:58:30.269 --> 00:58:33.469
walk to work every day, so I probably just listen

00:58:33.469 --> 00:58:37.289
to downloaded playlists of 80s music that I listen

00:58:37.289 --> 00:58:40.789
to. I'm still living in the 80s, so I still like

00:58:40.789 --> 00:58:44.389
my 80s rock. But yeah, I don't listen to a lot

00:58:44.389 --> 00:58:50.329
of podcasts, but I will listen to sports podcasts

00:58:50.329 --> 00:58:53.269
or sports shows as much as, you know, I like.

00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:56.219
I like these gambling shows that break down different

00:58:56.219 --> 00:58:59.199
games, and they kind of give a different view

00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:03.900
of how people watch sports. Spitting Chicklets

00:59:03.900 --> 00:59:06.559
is a really good one I've listened to a few times.

00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:10.019
It's a hockey podcast, which, as you know, I'm

00:59:10.019 --> 00:59:12.739
a former hockey player, so I still love following

00:59:12.739 --> 00:59:16.699
the game. But certainly, Jimmy, you are one of

00:59:16.699 --> 00:59:21.420
the best around. that you can't beat. So, and

00:59:21.420 --> 00:59:23.719
you always have me on your show whenever possible.

00:59:23.840 --> 00:59:26.219
So it's another reason to, to give you a listen.

00:59:29.340 --> 00:59:36.619
And, you know, I, I was, you know, our very first

00:59:36.619 --> 00:59:39.420
interview, I was telling somebody the other day

00:59:39.420 --> 00:59:44.079
that it's still there. And it was like, I think

00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:46.639
it was like my, my first book I read from you.

00:59:49.710 --> 00:59:52.409
I was so nervous in meeting you, even though

00:59:52.409 --> 00:59:56.530
it was not even face -to -face, it was over my

00:59:56.530 --> 01:00:00.090
phone. It was like the worst quality of audio

01:00:00.090 --> 01:00:03.969
ever on my end. I was like, no microphone, absolutely

01:00:03.969 --> 01:00:08.730
crap. I mean, the content was great, just the

01:00:08.730 --> 01:00:11.849
sound quality was crap. And then finally I got

01:00:11.849 --> 01:00:18.510
this video, this editing tool, and just how magically,

01:00:19.369 --> 01:00:22.550
makes everything sound clearer and everything

01:00:22.550 --> 01:00:25.929
else it's like if i if there was no technology

01:00:25.929 --> 01:00:29.309
today to do that it's like i'd be kind of screwed

01:00:29.309 --> 01:00:33.690
so like look how how much your show's grown and

01:00:33.690 --> 01:00:35.909
how far you've come so congratulations to you

01:00:35.909 --> 01:00:38.090
with sticking with it and we're putting in the

01:00:38.090 --> 01:00:40.750
hard work and you know you deserve all the success

01:00:40.750 --> 01:00:45.000
you're getting now Thank you. And I'm definitely

01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.380
looking forward to reading your book. And I'm

01:00:47.380 --> 01:00:50.739
sorry I haven't read it yet. I've been meaning

01:00:50.739 --> 01:00:55.079
to, but with my trip to Ireland, it was like

01:00:55.079 --> 01:00:58.139
pretty much every day we were on the move from

01:00:58.139 --> 01:01:02.760
like 9 o 'clock in the morning all the way to

01:01:02.760 --> 01:01:06.719
like 6 o 'clock in the afternoon. And it was

01:01:06.719 --> 01:01:09.409
like... Oh, I need a vacation from this vacation.

01:01:09.710 --> 01:01:12.710
It's like 10 days. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom,

01:01:12.710 --> 01:01:15.610
boom, boom, boom, boom. It's like, oh, I'm exhausted.

01:01:17.110 --> 01:01:20.190
Well, I appreciate you having me on, Jimmy. And,

01:01:20.210 --> 01:01:23.030
you know, don't stress over not reading the novel.

01:01:23.110 --> 01:01:24.610
Whenever you get to it, you get to it. I know

01:01:24.610 --> 01:01:28.429
you're a great fan of mine and you do a lot to

01:01:28.429 --> 01:01:32.050
help support and promote my work. So, you know,

01:01:32.050 --> 01:01:34.210
and again, anytime you want me to come on your

01:01:34.210 --> 01:01:36.329
show, I'm happy to do it. It's always a lot of

01:01:36.329 --> 01:01:39.900
fun. Definitely. And I always enjoy reading your

01:01:39.900 --> 01:01:45.059
novels. And I just wanted to say that because,

01:01:45.159 --> 01:01:49.840
I mean, not that part, but I just wanted to apologize

01:01:49.840 --> 01:01:53.500
because I was thinking, Luke Murphy's going to

01:01:53.500 --> 01:01:55.139
think I'm a deadbeat for not reading his new

01:01:55.139 --> 01:01:57.940
book. I was like, how did you tear up about my

01:01:57.940 --> 01:02:00.019
new book and you didn't even read the damn thing?

01:02:00.639 --> 01:02:04.980
Not at all. Not at all. Life's busy and you've

01:02:04.980 --> 01:02:07.250
got a lot of things going on. Don't worry about

01:02:07.250 --> 01:02:11.230
it. To be honest, all the library books I literally

01:02:11.230 --> 01:02:15.710
borrowed digitally from my Kindle on break just

01:02:15.710 --> 01:02:19.530
literally all lapsed in. Return, return, return,

01:02:19.630 --> 01:02:23.630
return. I borrowed all these books thinking I

01:02:23.630 --> 01:02:25.769
was going to read all of them, and I only probably

01:02:25.769 --> 01:02:33.829
read I think a book and a half. I'm kind of behind

01:02:33.829 --> 01:02:39.170
on reading. Whoops. It's all good. I gotta go

01:02:39.170 --> 01:02:42.449
kick my butt for more reading. Well, it was nice

01:02:42.449 --> 01:02:45.289
having you on and you're always welcome on. And

01:02:45.289 --> 01:02:49.769
I'm going to definitely, once I finish this current

01:02:49.769 --> 01:02:53.769
book, I'm going to read it and I'm going to send

01:02:53.769 --> 01:02:57.769
you a review about it. Love it. And eventually

01:02:57.769 --> 01:03:01.730
on Amazon. Thank you so much, Jimmy. I appreciate

01:03:01.730 --> 01:03:04.329
having me on. Take care and all the best. You

01:03:04.329 --> 01:03:08.760
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01:03:36.400 --> 01:03:38.800
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