Grow Stronger through Challenges with Resilience Training With Wendy Jenkins

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.gov slash careers. Welcome to another episode

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of Crazy Fitness Guys Healthy Living Podcast.

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I'm my friend Wendy, and she is a certified resilience

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coach, and she was also had to get a lung transplant

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where the doctors only gave her two years to

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live. but she's still living now. Show the doctors

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who's boss. Like I said, in many of my podcasts,

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doctors don't always know everything. Yeah. And

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to anybody who's listening who's a doctor, I'm

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not bashing you guys. I totally... I'm lost for

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words, but anyway. But I believe that you guys

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do know a lot, but you just don't have the magic

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crystal ball like we all wish you guys did. We

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need the magic crystal ball. And so I welcome

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Wendy to Crazy Fitness Guys Healthy Living Podcast.

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Thanks, Jimmy. It's great to be on and thank

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you for inviting me. So how long ago did the

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doctors say this to you, that you only had two

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years to live? Well, it's actually a good question

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because it was a bit of a journey. So probably

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about 18 years ago is when it actually happened.

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trying to lose some weight at the time and I

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was trying to get fit and I was, you know, walking

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the streets and losing weight. I think I lost

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about 10 kilos at the time and I just didn't

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feel good. I felt worse and I was getting really

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puffed and I didn't understand why because I

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thought it would be the opposite. So I ended

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up after a couple of incidences, one including

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fainting in a car park after walking up a ramp

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up to where my car was. I thought, oh, this is

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not normal, so I better go and check with the

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doctor. So thankfully I had a good doctor and

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she fast -tracked me through a bunch of specialists.

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And a few weeks later, I was at one of the big

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hospitals here in Melbourne. And they said, yeah,

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you have primary pulmonary hypertension and you've

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got two years to live. So that was a big shock.

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My husband and I burst into tears at that point

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and then they told us, you know, we probably

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wouldn't be able to have children because of

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that and the life expectancy at the time was

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about five years. It's now seven years post -lung

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transplant. So they tried a whole bunch of different

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things before they put me on the transplant list.

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So quite a few different drugs from America,

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Canada, to see if those would work, trial drugs.

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But unfortunately, yeah, it wasn't to be. And

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after a couple of years of that, they put me

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on the waiting list. And then I had to cross

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my fingers and hope to get a lung transplant.

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How long did it take for you? uh you to get a

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transplant well i ended up once i was on the

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list uh takes about three days for them to do

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all the assessments and then on the list i was

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probably on there for about 22 months So given

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they told me I had only two years to live, 22

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months, plus all those trial drugs, I was getting

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a bit nervous that maybe I wouldn't get there.

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And they told me that the disease that I had,

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the lung disease, it was one of those ones where

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you'd go along really well and also you'd crash

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and you'd be really sick really quickly. So they

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had to make sure they caught me in time. Yeah,

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so lucky I did and I got the phone call at about

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2 o 'clock in the morning when we were sound

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asleep. And a bit groggy, woke up and the transplant

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coordinator was on the phone and she said, we've

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got lungs for you, you know, get ready, come

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in, we're ready for you. So that was pretty daunting

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and exciting at the same time. How long, just

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out of curiosity, when the doctors told you you

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only had two years to live, what was going through

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your mind? Were you scared, nervous, et cetera?

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Yeah, shocked, I think, initially, because it's...

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I didn't believe them, I suppose, initially because

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I was still working and my, I mean, you know,

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I'd had a few problems breathing but I'd had

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nothing else go wrong. I wasn't on oxygen or

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anything too serious and it hadn't stopped me

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doing most of the things I do. So, yeah, I was

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a bit, yeah, I think shocked initially and then

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in denial I didn't. And so the doctor that we

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had at the time thought that that might be how

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I would feel. And she said to me, I've got a

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story to tell you. She said there was about another

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female patient, similar age to myself, who had

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been diagnosed with the same thing. And she was

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like me initially. She didn't believe it. So

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she refused to do all the testing and to go on

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the transplant list. And I think it was only

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about a year later and she died. they shared

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that with me pretty quickly because they wanted

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me to take it seriously. And I would say to them,

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well, look at all the people out in the waiting

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room who are, you know, some of them were in

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wheelchairs with oxygen tanks and sounded like

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they were about to take their last breath. And

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they said, no, you're sicker than they are. They'll

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be like that for another couple of years, but

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you'll go downhill really quickly. And yes, they

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are actually going to be higher up the list than

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they are. So it was a big, big shock. Gee, I

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don't think I could go through all that. But

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I don't know how I would react to all that news.

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I wouldn't say I went through anything similar

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like you, but I had doctors who told me I wouldn't

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be able to walk without crutches and braces.

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And I also had doctors told me I wouldn't be

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able to read more, read any higher than a second

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grade reading level. So like I said, I couldn't

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compare my stuff to what you went through. But

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I had doctors who said some of that stuff and

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said, can't do this, can't do that. You won't

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be able to do this. Just a long list of stuff

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that I can't do. Yeah, I think that's what you

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initially believe because you don't know any

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better at the time. So, like, I didn't know anything

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about lung transplants. I didn't know anyone

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who even had a transplant. And so I just... I

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thought, well, I'll listen to what they have

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to say. And they, you know, they're very good

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at what they do. They get some of the best results

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in the world at this hospital. So I did that.

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But then I also did my own research, which I'm

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sure you probably did as well, looking into what's

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really going to go on and what can I expect and

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a lot of that. And to be honest, there wasn't

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that much information that many years ago. And

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we've since tried to fix that by providing more

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information for patients and caregivers. But

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yeah, in the end, I had to trust that they were

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telling me the truth and that I did really need

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one that badly. And yeah, just prepare myself

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for it. But yeah, I don't know. It's a funny

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thing when you get told something like that,

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because everyone no doubt reacts differently.

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But you kind of, in the end, if you decide, well,

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I'm going to deal with it, you kind of pull on

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resources that maybe you thought you didn't really

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have. And sometimes people can surprise you and

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you can surprise yourself and actually be stronger

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than you think you are. And I'm sure you've been

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through that experience where you've done things

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that initially you weren't sure you could do

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and now you can. Yeah, I think humans have got

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a lot more potential than we realize. I totally

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agree with you there. So tell me a little bit

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about some of these biohacks that you have. Yeah,

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well, the main thing that I do at the moment

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is neuroscience resilience. So I'm definitely

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not a neuroscientist. I don't pretend to be.

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But I did do an applied science degree initially

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as my first university qualification. Then I

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did a human resources one. So I've always had

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a bit of a passion for how to apply science to

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things. And, yeah, I got involved. After my transplant,

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I really struggled a bit, especially in the first

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few years. And one of the things which I guess

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was my light bulb moment was realising that I

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could take more control over my health and my

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mental health and decide to do something about

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it. So one of the ways I did that was to start

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looking into... well, why am I getting so depressed

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about all this and what's going on in my brain

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and what can I do to fix that and what am I in

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control of versus, you know, what I can't control.

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And I came across resilience, but specifically

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the neuroscience side of it, which is all around

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the brain science. And, yeah, I was just really

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fascinated about how much... If you know, if

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you understand how your body works and your brain

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works, then you've got more chance of changing

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it. And we actually have a lot of capacity in

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our brain to change and remap all the neural

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pathways, the memories and things that we have

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and the way we view the world. Yeah, if you understand

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that, you can do some pretty cool little things.

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So it can be as simple as learning how to calm

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yourself quickly if you're in a situation where

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you need to do that. And one of the tips or the

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neurohacks I like to share for that is just at

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the back of your head, so down the bottom here

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in the basic pin, you've got what's called the

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pre -boxinger complex. it actually picks up how

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quickly your heart's beating. So if you're getting

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a bit anxious and, you know, your breath's going

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quicker and you're getting a bit, you know, like

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that sort of thing, panicky. it's going to pick

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that up and it's going to tell your body that

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there's obviously something to be fearful of.

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And it goes into what a lot of people know, the

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flight or fight mode, where it wants to fight

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or flight. But there's also a third one I add

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in, which is freeze, which a lot of people do.

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They just don't do anything in action. But yes,

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one of those three will kick in at that point.

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Now, if you want to control that and tell your

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body actually you're not under threat, You can

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change how this is, you know, recording what's

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going on in your body by breaking that cycle.

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So there's a couple of little techniques with

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breathing that you can do. One of them I call

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the double sniff. For want of a better word,

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I've got to come up with a better name. But basically

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what you do, I'll show you, and you can all try

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it at home when you're watching. So you do kind

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of an initial sniff through your... and then

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you do another one directly after that. So it's

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like that. So double sniff is what I call it

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or inhale. It's kind of a combination. And what

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that does is it's almost like a bit of a check

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on the body and it will make the body go, oh,

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actually the breathing is different here. Hang

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on, let me just reset. That's sort of the simple

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terms. And you can feel physically a lot calmer

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and it's apparently the quickest. way of slowing

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down your breathing and just rebalancing things.

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So you can do that pretty much anywhere. And

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I like to have sleuth, I call them sleuth neurohacks,

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because you're actually doing them under cover.

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So you could be in a meeting, you could be sitting

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around the table at dinner with your family,

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and maybe you're getting a bit anxious or stressed

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about the meeting or whatever's going on um and

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you can just subtly do the like that and they

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might go they've just sniffed or you know they

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they probably won't even notice i'll be too easy

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talking about something but that would just be

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enough to yeah to tell your body and this pre

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-boxing a complex just to calm down so yeah so

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just using what you already have in your body

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uh to not trick it but yeah make the most of

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it So how did you get into biohacking? Well,

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I guess it was just a curiosity thing, and because

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I found that it was working for me, I decided,

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well, if it's going to help me, it probably will

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help other people as well. There's really good

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information out there. And what I also decided

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is because I've got that human resources background,

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I know you've got to be careful about what information

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you share. So I wanted to learn it properly.

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So there was a company that I partnered with

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who have created a platform that helps with neuroscience

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resilience and it's been created by psychologists

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and learning specialists. So I've been certified

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in doing neuroscience resilience now and, yeah,

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learned how things work and what I can and can't

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share with people because... I get a range of

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people who want to do the programs. They might

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be just people who are perhaps feeling a bit

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overwhelmed or under pressure, a bit stressed,

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and, you know, they're looking for some help.

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There can also be people who have, you know,

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really severe depression or PTSD, things like

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that, and this program's not the right thing

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for them. You know, they probably need to get

00:16:24.120 --> 00:16:27.580
more help. But, yeah, it's something that...

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yeah, hopefully will help others like it's helped

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me. So how long have you been doing biohacking

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for? Oh, well, I guess. If you go to the actual

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term of biohacking, it actually means that you're

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trying to improve your health and wellbeing.

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So in a way, we're all been biohacking probably

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for a long time. So even the things that you're

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doing where you go, you know, you might go to

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work on something in your body or you might do

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meditation or you might drink healthy shakes

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or whatever it might be that you're doing. That

00:17:08.869 --> 00:17:10.990
is, in effect, biohacking and making the most

00:17:10.990 --> 00:17:15.450
of your body's biology. With the neuroscience

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stuff, probably the last 18 months or so in particular,

00:17:19.490 --> 00:17:22.509
I've really got into it. But, yeah, I've always

00:17:22.509 --> 00:17:25.589
had a curiosity for the science of the body.

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It's something my dad probably is responsible

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for that. He was a big science fan. When I was

00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:42.079
growing up in New Jersey, me and my brother used

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to watch Bill Nye and the Science Guy every...

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I forget how long the show was. I don't remember

00:17:51.099 --> 00:17:54.799
if it was daily or weekly, but we woke up to

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it every single morning. His science was pretty

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cool. But I believe... I think over the years,

00:18:06.250 --> 00:18:12.130
except in middle school, I did a lot of fun science

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experiments, but in high school, totally lame.

00:18:19.609 --> 00:18:22.529
Everybody's like, oh, yeah, you can do awesome

00:18:22.529 --> 00:18:25.990
science experiments in high school. I got to

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high school. I think the only thing that we did

00:18:28.690 --> 00:18:34.430
was... was melt fat off of Cheetos. That holiday

00:18:34.430 --> 00:18:37.630
smelled like for a whole month. It was the most

00:18:37.630 --> 00:18:40.549
disgusting thing. I'll never eat Cheetos ever

00:18:40.549 --> 00:18:44.970
again. That's probably a way of making you all

00:18:44.970 --> 00:18:51.730
eat healthy. You're right. During school, I did

00:18:51.730 --> 00:18:57.259
chemistry as one of my final year subjects. And

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I did computer science. That was the other one.

00:19:00.779 --> 00:19:05.180
So, yeah, but you're right. It wasn't as exciting

00:19:05.180 --> 00:19:07.839
back then. I think you need a really good teacher

00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:11.980
to get you passionate about science. But, yeah,

00:19:12.059 --> 00:19:15.059
we talked a bit about it at home. Dad was an

00:19:15.059 --> 00:19:19.799
engineer and he did a Master of Science as well

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at Berkeley University. We actually lived in

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America for 18 months when I was little. um so

00:19:26.109 --> 00:19:29.869
he could do that uh so yeah i think yeah it was

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just his interest in it then got me into it and

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then over the years as you you know read things

00:19:36.009 --> 00:19:39.430
and talk to other people you find out that there's

00:19:39.430 --> 00:19:42.490
so much more that you can do for your body yourself

00:19:42.490 --> 00:19:59.019
so um what's the what do you think uh What do

00:19:59.019 --> 00:20:05.440
you think the benefits are by hacking for people?

00:20:05.839 --> 00:20:09.579
What do you think the benefits are to it? And

00:20:09.579 --> 00:20:13.700
what could also be the cons of it as well? So

00:20:13.700 --> 00:20:17.259
pros and cons. Yeah, well, I guess, yeah, like

00:20:17.259 --> 00:20:19.900
everything, there's pros and cons. So I suppose

00:20:19.900 --> 00:20:24.200
the pros are that, you know, you can, we're all

00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:28.099
individual and, I mean, even with the lung transplants,

00:20:28.500 --> 00:20:30.740
you know, when we go through that, they actually

00:20:30.740 --> 00:20:33.319
look at us as an individual when they're giving

00:20:33.319 --> 00:20:37.440
us the, you know, treatment or solutions for

00:20:37.440 --> 00:20:41.339
things. And so I think one of the pros of biohacking

00:20:41.339 --> 00:20:44.119
is that you know your body, you know, pretty

00:20:44.119 --> 00:20:46.500
well, like you're living it, you feel your aches

00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:48.940
and pains and you know what your limits potentially

00:20:48.940 --> 00:20:54.460
are. And so in a way, if you're making the most

00:20:54.460 --> 00:20:57.000
of, your own body. Like there's certain things

00:20:57.000 --> 00:21:00.319
that, you know, probably my brother can do that

00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:04.039
I can't do or my, you know, a friend of mine's

00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:07.099
probably got longer legs and they can jump higher

00:21:07.099 --> 00:21:09.400
or, you know, those sort of things. So, you know.

00:21:09.900 --> 00:21:13.339
You work within what your body is. So I think

00:21:13.339 --> 00:21:17.940
biohacking is going to become more and more popular.

00:21:18.700 --> 00:21:20.779
You know, there's a lot of focus on health and

00:21:20.779 --> 00:21:24.220
wellbeing and people are exploring all sorts

00:21:24.220 --> 00:21:27.829
of different things. Like anything that's health

00:21:27.829 --> 00:21:30.869
or medical related, there's always going to be,

00:21:30.869 --> 00:21:33.309
you know, dodgy people out there offering all

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sorts of weird and wonderful ideas. I was reading

00:21:37.230 --> 00:21:39.509
the other day an article by a neuroscientist

00:21:39.509 --> 00:21:43.490
and they were just telling some of the ones they'd

00:21:43.490 --> 00:21:46.369
come across and they were just, you know, oh

00:21:46.369 --> 00:21:47.849
gosh, I hope people aren't going to be doing

00:21:47.849 --> 00:21:50.589
these things, funny things that you sort of attach

00:21:50.589 --> 00:21:54.349
to yourself or, you know, to monitor things that

00:21:54.349 --> 00:21:56.609
weren't really going to be accurate. and getting

00:21:56.609 --> 00:22:00.210
the wrong information from people who weren't

00:22:00.210 --> 00:22:04.559
you know uh knowledgeable um and you know i pride

00:22:04.559 --> 00:22:07.200
myself on everything i do i've i've seen the

00:22:07.200 --> 00:22:10.599
research article or it's direct from a neuroscientist

00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:14.319
or a psychologist a hundred percent science -based

00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:17.279
because i don't want to lead anyone astray either

00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:19.839
so yeah so there's that's probably the biggest

00:22:19.839 --> 00:22:24.299
con is that people can con uh and and uh say

00:22:24.299 --> 00:22:26.180
this is yeah what you need to do the biohack

00:22:26.180 --> 00:22:28.059
this way and it's actually not going to work

00:22:31.500 --> 00:22:37.640
Well, that's pretty much every skill out there

00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:45.039
and every career that people always try to solve

00:22:45.039 --> 00:22:49.019
fakes or try to take misinformation to everyone.

00:22:51.150 --> 00:22:54.690
I can give you one. I can give you an example

00:22:54.690 --> 00:22:58.069
real quick. It's like the Microsoft scam where

00:22:58.069 --> 00:23:02.769
these people used to call people pretending to

00:23:02.769 --> 00:23:04.710
be Microsoft. And it's like, yeah, we're from

00:23:04.710 --> 00:23:08.670
Microsoft. Well, people, you got to think about

00:23:08.670 --> 00:23:12.490
it logically. Now, this is going to sound totally

00:23:12.490 --> 00:23:15.539
rude, but... You think Microsoft is going to

00:23:15.539 --> 00:23:17.799
hire a bunch of employees to call people up and,

00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:23.059
hey, we know that your computer needs some help.

00:23:23.660 --> 00:23:26.759
Yeah, they would just sell you a new computer

00:23:26.759 --> 00:23:29.579
because it makes them more money. They're not

00:23:29.579 --> 00:23:34.420
going to call you up unless you request them

00:23:34.420 --> 00:23:38.180
to. There's a way to request a callback, but

00:23:38.180 --> 00:23:41.259
if you haven't called them first, they're not

00:23:41.259 --> 00:23:46.849
calling you back. They're not calling you. No,

00:23:46.970 --> 00:23:49.750
and I think that's the key is, you know, that's

00:23:49.750 --> 00:23:52.029
something that you learn as you get older, that

00:23:52.029 --> 00:23:55.970
these things exist and you learn to work out

00:23:55.970 --> 00:23:58.289
what's true and what's not true and to do your

00:23:58.289 --> 00:24:01.930
own research. And, you know, even though the

00:24:01.930 --> 00:24:04.309
degree I did in applied science was in a different

00:24:04.309 --> 00:24:08.960
area. it still taught me how to go and research

00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:13.920
and how to discover the truth. And that's been

00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:17.500
a really, really key skill, I think, because

00:24:17.500 --> 00:24:19.200
everything that comes out, you know, whether

00:24:19.200 --> 00:24:21.539
it's on the news or, you know, what a politician

00:24:21.539 --> 00:24:24.839
says or whatever it might be, I always take a

00:24:24.839 --> 00:24:28.000
step back and go, well, where's the proof? And

00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:30.980
then that's, I kind of go from there. So I think,

00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:33.539
yeah, I think if people do it that way and...

00:24:34.240 --> 00:24:35.960
you know, they see something new and they go,

00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:38.160
okay, that's interesting. Like perhaps people

00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:40.099
have never heard of neuroscience resilience and

00:24:40.099 --> 00:24:42.619
might go, okay, that's different. But, you know,

00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:44.740
I would always say, you know, do your research

00:24:44.740 --> 00:24:48.380
and check it out and make sure it's right for

00:24:48.380 --> 00:24:51.799
you because, yeah, there's lots of ideas out

00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:54.559
there and, yeah, some are really good and worth

00:24:54.559 --> 00:24:57.740
pursuing. But, yeah, always check your facts.

00:24:58.569 --> 00:25:06.089
So how does one start with biohacking? I don't

00:25:06.089 --> 00:25:11.349
know, what's the most beginner? Well, I guess

00:25:11.349 --> 00:25:15.430
it depends what you're doing it for. So perhaps

00:25:15.430 --> 00:25:18.809
if you're looking at, say, you want more energy,

00:25:18.970 --> 00:25:22.769
then it's looking at what sort of things will

00:25:22.769 --> 00:25:25.769
give me more energy in my body. And it might

00:25:25.769 --> 00:25:32.890
be... that you look at your sleep and you look

00:25:32.890 --> 00:25:35.170
at different ways of biohacking your sleep patterns

00:25:35.170 --> 00:25:39.329
so you know some of the things are probably fairly

00:25:39.329 --> 00:25:42.750
well known by now but you know there's our circadian

00:25:42.750 --> 00:25:45.809
rhythm so working with that and the way that

00:25:45.809 --> 00:25:50.240
your body naturally wants to sleep and wake and

00:25:50.240 --> 00:25:52.980
making sure. So one of the things that people

00:25:52.980 --> 00:25:56.059
are often surprised to hear about is, you know,

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00:27:02.059 --> 00:27:05.480
don't realise is that's actually the seven to

00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:08.220
eight quality hours of sleep. And to get that,

00:27:08.259 --> 00:27:11.059
you probably need to be in bed for nine to 10

00:27:11.059 --> 00:27:14.180
hours to actually get the seven to eight hours

00:27:14.180 --> 00:27:18.019
of proper sleep for most people. Because even

00:27:18.019 --> 00:27:23.240
if you're not falling asleep straight away, or

00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:25.900
even if you are, your body isn't getting that

00:27:25.900 --> 00:27:28.220
quality sleep all the way through the night.

00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.539
you know in a way with people like right I've

00:27:33.539 --> 00:27:36.519
had my seven hours and they've been in bed from

00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:39.140
say 11 o 'clock at night till six o 'clock in

00:27:39.140 --> 00:27:41.799
the morning they're probably still waking up

00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:43.779
feeling a bit groggy and going well I've got

00:27:43.779 --> 00:27:46.420
my seven hours why aren't I feeling better but

00:27:46.420 --> 00:27:48.039
they actually probably need to be in there a

00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:51.940
bit longer and then it's also working with your

00:27:51.940 --> 00:27:54.890
particular body clock so If you're the sort of

00:27:54.890 --> 00:27:57.609
person that's going to operate better later in

00:27:57.609 --> 00:28:01.769
the day, then don't fight that. You know, do

00:28:01.769 --> 00:28:05.450
all your more difficult work or challenging work

00:28:05.450 --> 00:28:09.009
in the afternoon instead of in the morning. So

00:28:09.009 --> 00:28:11.190
they're sort of simple biohacks that you can

00:28:11.190 --> 00:28:16.150
do. You can use all sorts of different adaptogen.

00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:21.559
herb products to help fix things which are going

00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.799
on in your body because I always believe like

00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:27.039
all the processes are there in your body you

00:28:27.039 --> 00:28:30.200
just can make them work as efficiently as they

00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:34.859
can so even things like so you know we're told

00:28:36.159 --> 00:28:39.519
with our brains, for example. A lot of people

00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:42.440
don't know, but we have this thing called BDNF,

00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:47.680
which is brain -derived neurophic factor. And

00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:50.319
it's something that actually helps your brain

00:28:50.319 --> 00:28:54.819
cells grow, helps with memory, learning, all

00:28:54.819 --> 00:28:58.140
those sorts of things. And it doesn't last very

00:28:58.140 --> 00:29:01.980
long in your body. It starts depleting pretty

00:29:01.980 --> 00:29:06.099
quickly throughout the day. So if you want to

00:29:06.099 --> 00:29:09.599
help that and replenish it, the three things

00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:12.700
that you can do is sleep, exercise and nutrition.

00:29:13.579 --> 00:29:15.940
And so that's why, you know, you often get told,

00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:17.480
so people will tell you, oh, it's really good

00:29:17.480 --> 00:29:19.420
to have a good sleep. It's really good to eat

00:29:19.420 --> 00:29:22.599
well. And it's really good to exercise. but they

00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:25.059
may not go into the specifics. And one of the

00:29:25.059 --> 00:29:28.500
specifics is because we want your BDNF to be

00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:30.819
replenished. But no, you don't really hear people

00:29:30.819 --> 00:29:34.279
say that, but that's actually what we really

00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:36.420
need to have happening in our body because without

00:29:36.420 --> 00:29:40.509
that. Yeah, you're just not as focused and you're

00:29:40.509 --> 00:29:45.349
not as efficient and the smart part of your brain,

00:29:45.430 --> 00:29:48.710
the prefrontal cortex, isn't operating as efficiently

00:29:48.710 --> 00:29:52.069
as it can. So, yeah, so you really do need to

00:29:52.069 --> 00:29:55.490
follow those guidelines. But if you understand

00:29:55.490 --> 00:29:58.109
why, it gives you more of a drive to do it. So

00:29:58.109 --> 00:30:01.500
now that I know that I've got this BDNF. bdnf

00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:05.160
in my head my body um and i know how important

00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:08.380
it is uh that's why i'm like okay well what do

00:30:08.380 --> 00:30:11.460
i need to do about my sleep nutrition and exercise

00:30:11.460 --> 00:30:14.619
um and because that's yes i know how important

00:30:14.619 --> 00:30:21.460
it is now i know for myself if i don't get my

00:30:21.460 --> 00:30:24.779
sleep i turn into the incredible hulk just not

00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:28.960
the green and everything i was like i can tell

00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:33.769
when my body is is uh really tired like for instance

00:30:33.769 --> 00:30:39.910
uh and i sometimes i break my own rules uh so

00:30:39.910 --> 00:30:44.210
i mean it's not that i try to it is i lost track

00:30:44.210 --> 00:30:46.430
of the time when i was just catching up with

00:30:46.430 --> 00:30:50.029
a friend the other day and so i was just up late

00:30:50.029 --> 00:30:53.970
and i just texted them because uh yeah i just

00:30:53.970 --> 00:30:56.430
haven't talked to that person in a while and

00:30:56.430 --> 00:31:04.000
so i've um So I was up to like almost 11 p .m.

00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.819
at night. And I was like, this was stupid of

00:31:07.819 --> 00:31:12.000
me because that happened to me on Saturday, Sunday

00:31:12.000 --> 00:31:18.240
and Monday. And I was like, and on Tuesday, I

00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:23.200
think I was, I look like a dead zombie just walking

00:31:23.200 --> 00:31:28.960
around and say. I'm tired. And I was just like,

00:31:28.980 --> 00:31:32.240
I wasn't really grouchy, but I just like kind

00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:34.740
of keep it to myself. And then my parents asked

00:31:34.740 --> 00:31:36.500
me, it's like, Jim, what's wrong? And it's like,

00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:39.380
nothing, nothing, nothing. And then I just sleep

00:31:39.380 --> 00:31:44.880
deprived. And then I could, I found myself like

00:31:44.880 --> 00:31:47.400
kind of falling asleep near the afternoon, just

00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:51.200
sitting in my chair, in my desk chair. And I

00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:54.680
was like, this is really handy. And I was like,

00:31:54.740 --> 00:31:57.339
I'm going to bed. And I wish I had like to read

00:31:57.339 --> 00:31:59.460
my book before I went to bed. But like last night,

00:31:59.539 --> 00:32:02.160
I was like, nope, not happening. I'm going to

00:32:02.160 --> 00:32:06.019
bed. Yeah. And that's right. I mean, that's basically

00:32:06.019 --> 00:32:09.740
you understanding your body and going, it's had

00:32:09.740 --> 00:32:12.619
enough. I need to stop. I need to get some sleep.

00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:16.140
And whether that's a nap during the day or getting

00:32:16.140 --> 00:32:19.619
into bed earlier, you know, that's helping to

00:32:19.619 --> 00:32:22.000
make the most of your body. Whereas people who

00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.359
aren't, you know, aren't understanding what's

00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:27.380
going on in their body or just keep pushing through.

00:32:27.579 --> 00:32:30.059
And they're the people that end up having, you

00:32:30.059 --> 00:32:33.480
know, breakdowns or, you know, really high burnout

00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.279
because they don't listen to their bodies and

00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.000
they just keep pushing and pushing. They watch

00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.369
TV at night before going to bed. What's that,

00:32:42.390 --> 00:32:44.869
sorry? Like watching TV before going to bed at

00:32:44.869 --> 00:32:48.029
night. Yeah, well, exactly. I mean, that's what's

00:32:48.029 --> 00:32:51.049
happening there is, again, it's up in your brain

00:32:51.049 --> 00:32:54.670
because part of your eye actually forms part

00:32:54.670 --> 00:32:57.430
of your brain and it's seeing all this visual

00:32:57.430 --> 00:33:02.470
and stimulus and it's actually activating, again,

00:33:02.609 --> 00:33:04.470
your smart brain, what I call the smart brain,

00:33:04.509 --> 00:33:09.079
the prefrontal cortex. And it needs to unwind

00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:11.839
before you go to bed. So if it's all active and,

00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:15.259
you know, they can show on the brain scans the

00:33:15.259 --> 00:33:17.980
activity that goes on when you're watching, you

00:33:17.980 --> 00:33:20.839
know, a device or television. And you need to

00:33:20.839 --> 00:33:23.460
just, you know, switch off from that and have

00:33:23.460 --> 00:33:26.680
a break before you go to sleep because your brain

00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:29.910
needs to come down from that. So, yeah, so whenever

00:33:29.910 --> 00:33:33.470
anyone says, and there's a lot of common things,

00:33:33.569 --> 00:33:36.049
you know, you need to do this or don't do this

00:33:36.049 --> 00:33:39.150
or whatever. Generally, somewhere in the background,

00:33:39.250 --> 00:33:41.509
there's some science behind it. And I think once

00:33:41.509 --> 00:33:44.509
people can understand the science, they're usually

00:33:44.509 --> 00:33:47.250
more open to actually following the guidelines

00:33:47.250 --> 00:33:49.390
because they go, oh, okay, that makes sense.

00:33:49.650 --> 00:33:51.609
Yeah, now I know why they're telling me to do

00:33:51.609 --> 00:33:56.509
that. Like, I'll give you another quick example

00:33:56.509 --> 00:34:01.769
there. There was one night where I didn't do

00:34:01.769 --> 00:34:05.029
this on purpose. It was just like some of my

00:34:05.029 --> 00:34:10.269
favorite sports teams play at night. And so I

00:34:10.269 --> 00:34:14.429
would just finish karate. And I kind of got mixed

00:34:14.429 --> 00:34:18.809
up watching the game. Because I don't tend to

00:34:18.809 --> 00:34:21.630
watch TV during the week, but I might just take

00:34:21.630 --> 00:34:25.269
a few minute glance at how my sports team is

00:34:25.269 --> 00:34:28.530
doing. And he's losing. I'm just going to go

00:34:28.530 --> 00:34:36.469
to bed. It is too brutal to watch. And the next

00:34:36.469 --> 00:34:38.670
day when I woke up, I could tell I did not really

00:34:38.670 --> 00:34:41.309
get a good night's sleep at all because it is

00:34:41.309 --> 00:34:45.550
that blue light. And I always try to tell people,

00:34:45.769 --> 00:34:49.030
my parents, it's not that you can't watch TV

00:34:49.030 --> 00:34:52.210
at night. Just watch it up until like 8 or 9

00:34:52.210 --> 00:34:54.949
o 'clock. And if you're going to bed, shut it

00:34:54.949 --> 00:34:59.389
off. And then when you're in bed, don't have

00:34:59.389 --> 00:35:03.690
the TV on. Or if you're going to watch TV, watch

00:35:03.690 --> 00:35:07.070
until 8 o 'clock or 8 .30. And then make sure

00:35:07.070 --> 00:35:09.570
you turn it off at 8 .30. And if you want to

00:35:09.570 --> 00:35:13.539
go to bed by 9 .30 or 10 o 'clock. don't have

00:35:13.539 --> 00:35:16.280
the tv on and don't look at your smartphone because

00:35:16.280 --> 00:35:18.380
even though that there's a blue light filter

00:35:18.380 --> 00:35:22.079
on your phone it doesn't always help yeah no

00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.119
and that's right because even the light's only

00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.559
one part of it it's the stimulus of reading something

00:35:28.559 --> 00:35:31.099
because you could read something and that gets

00:35:31.099 --> 00:35:34.360
your brain going about that topic and starts

00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:36.039
making you think about other things and then

00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:38.300
your brain's active again and you've got to go

00:35:38.300 --> 00:35:41.079
back to square one and you know down regulate

00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:43.420
it all again and make it all a bit sleepy and

00:35:43.420 --> 00:35:46.360
ready for bed so yeah it's i mean there are looks

00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:49.179
up there's some people in a book they fall asleep

00:35:49.179 --> 00:35:50.980
at the drop of a hat my husband's like that as

00:35:50.980 --> 00:35:52.760
soon as his head hits the pillow he's pretty

00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.869
much out cold wish i was like that But yeah,

00:35:56.929 --> 00:35:59.590
myself and the dog take a bit longer to get to

00:35:59.590 --> 00:36:05.210
sleep. For me, I usually, for what I do before

00:36:05.210 --> 00:36:08.409
I go to bed, I usually read a book, whether it's

00:36:08.409 --> 00:36:12.670
on my Kindle or just a book, a physical book.

00:36:13.510 --> 00:36:18.909
But I try to stay away from reading. I use Microsoft

00:36:18.909 --> 00:36:23.269
News because, and no, that's not a promotion.

00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:29.320
But I used their newsfeed app because it was

00:36:29.320 --> 00:36:31.579
the closest thing I could find to Flipboard.

00:36:31.860 --> 00:36:36.960
And again, that's not a promotion either. But

00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:42.219
I just like to follow stuff by interest because

00:36:42.219 --> 00:36:45.980
then it gives me a lot of other sources that

00:36:45.980 --> 00:36:48.119
are posting about this interest and not just

00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:55.019
one source. My parents always tell me, read every

00:36:55.019 --> 00:36:57.400
side from every story. And I'm not talking about

00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:01.019
politics. I'm just saying just in general. I'm

00:37:01.019 --> 00:37:03.559
not even touching on politics. Don't even worry.

00:37:03.820 --> 00:37:06.579
Yeah, no, I try to avoid it too. That's another

00:37:06.579 --> 00:37:11.260
ballpark of crazy. That's not even the good ballpark

00:37:11.260 --> 00:37:15.940
of the good crazy. No, I'm not touching that

00:37:15.940 --> 00:37:18.119
on this podcast. Don't worry. I think that's

00:37:18.119 --> 00:37:20.219
very wise. There's enough people talking about

00:37:20.219 --> 00:37:22.960
it and there's plenty of other topics out there

00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:24.980
in the world to focus on instead, like what you're

00:37:24.980 --> 00:37:29.099
doing. So, yeah, I agree. But, you know, it's

00:37:29.099 --> 00:37:31.920
good to look at all different sources and angles

00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:35.539
of things because, you know, like even like take

00:37:35.539 --> 00:37:39.780
neuroscience, you know, there was some work done,

00:37:39.940 --> 00:37:43.739
you know. many decades ago in that area but it's

00:37:43.739 --> 00:37:46.480
really been probably the last 20 years or so

00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:49.239
where it's really taken a bit more of a forefront

00:37:49.239 --> 00:37:52.980
and the neuroscientists are first to admit that

00:37:52.980 --> 00:37:55.820
they don't know everything about the brain. In

00:37:55.820 --> 00:37:58.800
fact they've hardly scratched the surface of

00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:01.840
what you know the knowledge is and some of them

00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:04.019
will even say it's one of the most complex things

00:38:04.019 --> 00:38:08.849
in the entire universe. You know, they know that,

00:38:08.889 --> 00:38:11.369
I was saying to somebody the other day, it's

00:38:11.369 --> 00:38:14.110
like the little you start to learn, the more

00:38:14.110 --> 00:38:17.650
you realise how much you don't know. And so I've

00:38:17.650 --> 00:38:20.750
been reading things where in one research report

00:38:20.750 --> 00:38:24.690
they've said, you know, well, 25 years ago it

00:38:24.690 --> 00:38:26.949
was thought that this was the case and now we

00:38:26.949 --> 00:38:30.570
know it's not. So they're still understanding

00:38:30.570 --> 00:38:33.849
the body as well. So take, for example, the way

00:38:33.849 --> 00:38:39.460
our brains learn. And so, yeah, and remapped

00:38:39.460 --> 00:38:42.480
the neural pathways. It used to be thought that

00:38:42.480 --> 00:38:46.260
once you became a teenager, that was it and you

00:38:46.260 --> 00:38:49.719
couldn't really learn and absorb new things.

00:38:49.780 --> 00:38:51.460
So you had to pretty much learn everything by

00:38:51.460 --> 00:38:53.599
then and after that everything was a bit sort

00:38:53.599 --> 00:38:56.539
of set in stone. And they've since learned that

00:38:56.539 --> 00:38:59.000
that's definitely not the case and we have what's

00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.179
called neuroplasticity, which means that our

00:39:01.179 --> 00:39:03.920
brains are actually very tangible and plastic

00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:08.639
and flexible and you can be remapping, you know,

00:39:08.659 --> 00:39:10.900
what's going on in there, you know, for the rest

00:39:10.900 --> 00:39:13.320
of your life. So, you know, there's nothing to

00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:16.349
say you can't. pick up learning the violin age

00:39:16.349 --> 00:39:19.909
70 or 80 or something. It just means it will

00:39:19.909 --> 00:39:22.010
be probably more difficult than when you were

00:39:22.010 --> 00:39:24.730
younger. But yeah, you can still do that. You

00:39:24.730 --> 00:39:27.289
can still, you know, learn a new language or.

00:39:28.250 --> 00:39:30.449
I was like my mom who always says that she's

00:39:30.449 --> 00:39:33.650
too old to work out. And I was like, you're never

00:39:33.650 --> 00:39:39.150
too old to work out. My grandma, this, this during

00:39:39.150 --> 00:39:44.880
the pandemic, she is, she's, she's uh started

00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.500
working out multiple times a day i mean like

00:39:47.500 --> 00:39:51.619
it's not uh like vigorous like exercise like

00:39:51.619 --> 00:39:55.579
what i do but she's still working out and she

00:39:55.579 --> 00:39:59.059
has lost quite a bit of weight and i don't know

00:39:59.059 --> 00:40:02.519
exact number but that's not my story to tell

00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:05.360
but she probably won't want you telling everyone

00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.420
how much she weighs if she's a typical female

00:40:08.420 --> 00:40:14.739
but yeah she but like i'm I'm proud of her for

00:40:14.739 --> 00:40:20.119
losing the weight because, you know, it's, I'm

00:40:20.119 --> 00:40:23.559
not saying anything by like, oh, she needed to

00:40:23.559 --> 00:40:27.179
lose weight, but she just wanted to keep working,

00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:31.340
keep working out and keep back exercising because

00:40:31.340 --> 00:40:34.980
like, what are we doing during the pandemic?

00:40:35.949 --> 00:40:39.750
uh sitting around watching tv well i know i'm

00:40:39.750 --> 00:40:42.230
not but i'm i mean there might be people watching

00:40:42.230 --> 00:40:47.610
tv uh or not and people have like these girls

00:40:47.610 --> 00:40:50.750
are reading a lot of books last year i read like

00:40:50.750 --> 00:40:54.030
21 books that's the most i've ever read before

00:40:54.030 --> 00:40:57.949
in one year yeah well i mean yeah that you're

00:40:57.949 --> 00:41:00.599
right it's Yeah, it was interesting. I mean,

00:41:00.619 --> 00:41:03.340
you guys have still got lots going on in your

00:41:03.340 --> 00:41:06.500
countries with the pandemic. We're pretty good

00:41:06.500 --> 00:41:08.239
over here in Australia at the moment. We have

00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.420
the occasional breakout. So we've had one worker

00:41:11.420 --> 00:41:16.079
in a hotel be diagnosed with COVID overnight.

00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:20.480
And so they've put a lockdown on the city very

00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.199
quickly. We now have to wear masks again when

00:41:23.199 --> 00:41:26.059
we're out and about the streets. But we got through

00:41:26.059 --> 00:41:28.739
the first couple of waves pretty well. But in

00:41:28.739 --> 00:41:32.460
Melbourne, where I am, we had pretty much a six

00:41:32.460 --> 00:41:34.860
-month lockdown where everyone was working from

00:41:34.860 --> 00:41:38.480
home. The city pretty much shut. And it was one

00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:40.840
of the longest lockdowns that happened globally.

00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:43.380
Everyone was complaining about it at the end.

00:41:43.500 --> 00:41:46.059
We were all over it. But we've now become one

00:41:46.059 --> 00:41:48.440
of the safest countries as a result of doing

00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:51.480
things like that. But everyone's put on a lot

00:41:51.480 --> 00:41:54.219
of weight because six months is a long time to

00:41:54.219 --> 00:41:57.340
be stuck at home and not getting out and about.

00:41:57.610 --> 00:42:00.389
and Australians do like their outdoor activities

00:42:00.389 --> 00:42:03.889
and sport and not being able to do all of that.

00:42:03.949 --> 00:42:07.590
I was chatting to one of the lung function. specialist

00:42:07.590 --> 00:42:09.590
yesterday when I went into the hospital for my

00:42:09.590 --> 00:42:12.769
annual tests. And he was saying that all the

00:42:12.769 --> 00:42:14.829
patients that are coming in have all put on weight.

00:42:15.469 --> 00:42:19.789
And yeah, it's infecting our lung function. So

00:42:19.789 --> 00:42:24.349
I'm on about 64 % lung capacity usually. So not

00:42:24.349 --> 00:42:26.030
quite fully. That's why I get a bit breathless

00:42:26.030 --> 00:42:30.230
sometimes. And it had dropped during COVID and

00:42:30.230 --> 00:42:33.630
it got worse because I'd put on some weight and

00:42:33.630 --> 00:42:37.769
hadn't been exercising in the gym. So they've

00:42:37.769 --> 00:42:40.510
said, okay, get back into doing your gym work

00:42:40.510 --> 00:42:42.969
and we'll test you again in another month and

00:42:42.969 --> 00:42:46.250
see if that's improved because they want to make

00:42:46.250 --> 00:42:48.889
sure that that's all that's going on. But yeah,

00:42:48.969 --> 00:42:53.349
so it has had a big impact. So before we wrap

00:42:53.349 --> 00:42:59.630
up, I got two more questions for you. One, where

00:42:59.630 --> 00:43:03.500
do you get... all your research from just out

00:43:03.500 --> 00:43:06.599
of curiosity. I'm just interested because I'm

00:43:06.599 --> 00:43:10.139
always trying to expand research. Yeah, sure.

00:43:10.340 --> 00:43:15.219
Well, a couple of places. Probably the first

00:43:15.219 --> 00:43:21.480
main part is the neuroscience resilience certification

00:43:21.480 --> 00:43:24.460
that I've done. There was a lot of information

00:43:24.460 --> 00:43:27.929
that I learned as part of doing that. that training

00:43:27.929 --> 00:43:31.610
so that's sort of been a big part of it. There's

00:43:31.610 --> 00:43:37.690
also a couple of neuroscience journals, medical

00:43:37.690 --> 00:43:40.269
journals and things like that that I subscribe

00:43:40.269 --> 00:43:44.429
to so I get regular you know new articles coming

00:43:44.429 --> 00:43:48.650
through from that. You can also jump on to PubMed,

00:43:48.750 --> 00:43:53.510
which is the large global database of research

00:43:53.510 --> 00:43:58.010
articles and type in neuroscience into that.

00:43:58.309 --> 00:44:01.250
And you'll come up with thousands and thousands

00:44:01.250 --> 00:44:05.329
of articles about the topic. And yes, I mean,

00:44:05.349 --> 00:44:09.829
some of them are really detailed, not so much

00:44:09.829 --> 00:44:13.090
layman terms, but once you sort of get into a

00:44:13.090 --> 00:44:15.309
topic, you kind of pick up. you know, what they're

00:44:15.309 --> 00:44:18.710
talking about. And then, yeah, there's lots of

00:44:18.710 --> 00:44:22.730
psychological journals and magazines which talk

00:44:22.730 --> 00:44:26.010
about the brain. So, yeah, there's lots of information

00:44:26.010 --> 00:44:29.110
out there and I just go through it all and work

00:44:29.110 --> 00:44:31.530
out, you know, is it a quality source, like is

00:44:31.530 --> 00:44:33.929
it coming from a proper university or somebody

00:44:33.929 --> 00:44:36.769
who's actually qualified and they're the ones

00:44:36.769 --> 00:44:42.530
that I focus on. And I don't forget. And I lied.

00:44:42.650 --> 00:44:47.849
There's two more questions after this. So how

00:44:47.849 --> 00:44:53.869
do you teach people some of these biohacks? Do

00:44:53.869 --> 00:44:58.579
you have a website? Do you have a podcast? Facebook,

00:44:58.579 --> 00:45:01.280
I don't know. Yeah, no, a couple of things. Well,

00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:05.239
if you jump on my website, which is readyresilience

00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:08.579
.com, it goes into a little bit more detail there.

00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.760
But one of the main ways I teach is I have a

00:45:11.760 --> 00:45:16.719
resilience platform slash app that people get

00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:20.659
as part of the program. And resilience is one

00:45:20.659 --> 00:45:23.059
of those things where you need to build it up

00:45:23.059 --> 00:45:26.909
in little amounts over time. You know, you're

00:45:26.909 --> 00:45:29.210
going to like a two -hour, three -hour workshop.

00:45:29.289 --> 00:45:31.530
You're not going to come out of that all fixed

00:45:31.530 --> 00:45:34.289
and, you know, a lot more resilient. It's something

00:45:34.289 --> 00:45:38.929
you need to build up over time. I use does what's

00:45:38.929 --> 00:45:41.349
called micro learning because the brain actually

00:45:41.349 --> 00:45:44.010
prefers to learn in really little increments.

00:45:44.710 --> 00:45:48.489
So it's designed to send a notification to her

00:45:48.489 --> 00:45:51.150
every day with a new learning, something to read,

00:45:51.190 --> 00:45:55.179
to watch, to listen to. And then over time, that

00:45:55.179 --> 00:45:57.639
builds up the resilience. And the program actually

00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:01.340
has initially a psychometric assessment where

00:46:01.340 --> 00:46:03.719
it actually will ask you some questions. It's

00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:05.500
all been designed by psychologists and learning

00:46:05.500 --> 00:46:09.179
specialists. And you'll discover from that where

00:46:09.179 --> 00:46:12.079
your areas in resilience are that you need to

00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:14.539
focus on the most. And then the program will

00:46:14.539 --> 00:46:17.829
actually focus on those for you first. So it

00:46:17.829 --> 00:46:19.929
teaches you that way. And then what I do to accompany

00:46:19.929 --> 00:46:24.690
that is I do what I call, well, tossing up between

00:46:24.690 --> 00:46:26.329
the words, you might even be able to tell me

00:46:26.329 --> 00:46:29.369
which one you like the sound of better, but you

00:46:29.369 --> 00:46:32.530
know how you have webinars. Well, I was going

00:46:32.530 --> 00:46:36.170
to call them workernars or hackernars because

00:46:36.170 --> 00:46:39.210
that's effectively what I'm doing. I think hackernars

00:46:39.210 --> 00:46:42.869
I'm leaning towards. They're something that I've

00:46:42.869 --> 00:46:47.039
been... to just share some of the tips, a bit

00:46:47.039 --> 00:46:49.260
like I've done today, but in a bit more detail.

00:46:49.820 --> 00:46:52.699
So, yeah, working with individuals or companies,

00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.659
you know, who might want to make their staff

00:46:55.659 --> 00:47:01.699
more resilient. So do you write any of these?

00:47:01.980 --> 00:47:05.920
Do you write any articles on your website? Not

00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.579
at the moment, but it's interesting you say that

00:47:08.579 --> 00:47:11.750
because... I was actually thinking of writing

00:47:11.750 --> 00:47:16.170
a book this year. My husband's written a book

00:47:16.170 --> 00:47:19.329
and we've actually put together a program on

00:47:19.329 --> 00:47:22.710
how we did that. It was done for people who were

00:47:22.710 --> 00:47:27.010
dyslexic or weren't very good at writing. So

00:47:27.010 --> 00:47:30.849
we created a course off the back of that. that's

00:47:30.849 --> 00:47:33.250
you know i've done the course and we've done

00:47:33.250 --> 00:47:35.590
his books and things and i probably should do

00:47:35.590 --> 00:47:37.989
one myself so i think that's where i'm going

00:47:37.989 --> 00:47:40.110
to go and i'll probably add some more articles

00:47:40.110 --> 00:47:43.469
to my website too this year about some of the

00:47:43.469 --> 00:47:47.210
topics that i get asked the most and uh would

00:47:47.210 --> 00:47:49.929
you be interested uh to writing an article for

00:47:49.929 --> 00:47:53.050
my website about biohacking yeah i'd be more

00:47:53.050 --> 00:47:55.789
than happy to do that because i'm always looking

00:47:55.789 --> 00:48:02.239
for i always like experts on their Yeah, to share

00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:04.460
a bit more about what it is and how it works.

00:48:04.679 --> 00:48:06.880
Yeah. Yeah, I'm happy to do that. We can have

00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:09.300
a chat about that for sure. Definitely, because

00:48:09.300 --> 00:48:14.500
I'm always looking for experts and I'd say I'm

00:48:14.500 --> 00:48:18.639
an expert, you know, my autism body, but I would

00:48:18.639 --> 00:48:23.199
never say I'm an expert in everything else because

00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:27.909
I'm not. I wish I was. Oh, there's so much knowledge

00:48:27.909 --> 00:48:30.389
out there, isn't there? You can only really scrape

00:48:30.389 --> 00:48:33.710
the surface of it. So you're best to find people

00:48:33.710 --> 00:48:35.789
who've already done that. I mean, I say with

00:48:35.789 --> 00:48:38.769
books, if you think about it, that person has

00:48:38.769 --> 00:48:42.190
already learnt their 10 ,000 hours in that specialty

00:48:42.190 --> 00:48:46.710
and you've got the privilege of absorbing a lot

00:48:46.710 --> 00:48:49.150
of what they've learnt over many, many years

00:48:49.150 --> 00:48:52.369
in one book. So, you know, that's a pretty powerful

00:48:52.369 --> 00:48:58.550
thing to have access to. And one final question

00:48:58.550 --> 00:49:02.190
before I let you go. Where can people find you

00:49:02.190 --> 00:49:05.989
on social media, website? And I'll put them all

00:49:05.989 --> 00:49:10.510
in the show notes. Yeah, sure. Well, yeah, so

00:49:10.510 --> 00:49:13.590
the main, I guess, the website, that's readyresilience

00:49:13.590 --> 00:49:17.630
.com. And I do work with people all over the

00:49:17.630 --> 00:49:21.719
place. Not just in Australia, because everything's

00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:26.059
online, what I do. So it can be rolled out wherever

00:49:26.059 --> 00:49:32.280
people live. And I'm also on Facebook, Instagram,

00:49:32.719 --> 00:49:36.219
also LinkedIn, because I work with corporates.

00:49:36.219 --> 00:49:40.889
The LinkedIn one's quite a good one. And about

00:49:40.889 --> 00:49:43.869
to set up a YouTube channel. So I'll include

00:49:43.869 --> 00:49:47.889
some of the different webcasts I've done, podcasts,

00:49:48.070 --> 00:49:50.909
and I've been on the radio a couple of times

00:49:50.909 --> 00:49:57.110
as well. I'm jealous. Well, it's, you know, I

00:49:57.110 --> 00:50:00.010
quite enjoy doing this side of it because it's

00:50:00.010 --> 00:50:03.429
a good way for me to share my passion, meet people

00:50:03.429 --> 00:50:06.230
like yourselves, and get out to an audience that

00:50:06.230 --> 00:50:08.250
perhaps would never come across me otherwise.

00:50:09.130 --> 00:50:11.929
So yeah. And yeah, it's good to be on your show.

00:50:12.730 --> 00:50:15.869
And thanks for coming on Crazy Fitness Guys Healthy

00:50:15.869 --> 00:50:20.190
Living Podcast. And for all the subscribers today,

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00:51:04.309 --> 00:51:06.329
for coming on Crazy Fitness Guys Healthy Living

00:51:06.329 --> 00:51:08.489
Podcast. Hopefully you can come back on again.

00:51:09.230 --> 00:51:12.369
Yeah, no, I'd be happy to. There's lots to talk

00:51:12.369 --> 00:51:14.610
about, whether it's resilience or lung transplants

00:51:14.610 --> 00:51:17.949
or just, you know, living life when you know

00:51:17.949 --> 00:51:20.130
you've got a short life expectancy. There's heaps

00:51:20.130 --> 00:51:24.070
of topics we could cover. Definitely. Thanks

00:51:24.070 --> 00:51:56.079
for having me on, Jimmy. My pleasure. AudioStack

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