Autism Untangled: Discovering the Treasure Trove in Every Unique Mind With Sam Mitchell

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necessary. BGW. Welcome to another episode of

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Crazy Fitness Guys Healthy Living Podcast. I

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have a cool guest coming on my podcast. His name

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is Sam, and he runs his own podcast called Autism

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Rock and Roll. And I'm just going to let him

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introduce himself because that's what I like

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to do with some of my guests. Welcome, Sam. Thank

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you. Thank you, Mr. Claire. It's a huge, humongous

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honor. So tell me a little bit about your podcast.

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Okay. Oh, this is my mom, by the way. She's going

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to be joining us as well. Hi, everybody. Thanks

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for having me on here. My name is Gina, and I'm

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Sam's mom. So to answer your question about my

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podcast. So to answer your question about, to

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talk about my podcast, it's about autism because

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I have high -functioning autism. I'm on the spectrum.

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I've been on it for a good long time. And I've

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started to get the stigma off of autism. And

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it's about autism, how it could with daily struggles

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that you may or may not understand. And what

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kind of struggles do you go through every day?

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OK, so the first one is this. Have you ever said

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something to where you spat out? I thought, oh,

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shoot, I shouldn't have said that. Yeah, pretty

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much every day. Thank you. OK, you're not the

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only one. That's one of my struggles. I spit

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out something I probably shouldn't have said.

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Like it comes out of your mouth. Like, Oh, you

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want to put it back in? Yep. That's my life every

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single day. At least someone else is like that.

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And I don't play compromise. Well, I don't do

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plan B's. I'm like, we're doing it or we're not

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doing it. You know, like we're not doing, we're

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not going to go to the store. If it's strawberry

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ice cream, like, let's say that, for example,

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I want that we're getting a strawberry ice cream

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or I'm not getting anything at all. I can relate

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to that a little bit as well too. For me, I struggle

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with sometimes looking people in the eye. I've

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gotten better at it. I kind of made a game out

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of it a little bit. I first looked behind the

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wall at the person. I looked at the wall, and

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then I looked at the person's eyes, and then

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I go around the room multiple times, and then

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looked at the rug behind their feet and whatnot.

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I don't look at their feet, but I look behind

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them a lot of the time, so then it doesn't look

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like I'm staring at them. Yeah, that's another

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problem. I don't mean to stare, but when I get

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bored with something, that's my way of shutting

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down with schoolwork is I'm not like, well, screw

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this math assignment. I'm not doing it. No, that's

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not me. Or I'm like, I'm not doing it. My way

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of shutting down is I just stare at a person

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or look always to the left and look at a wall

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or a person and stare at that accidentally. That's

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what I did with my schoolwork when I was in middle

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school. I stared at my work because I hated schoolwork,

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especially math. It was probably when I'm not

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an accountant. Like I said to people, I've always...

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Totally relate to that. I like from seeing the

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numbers in my bank account go up. It's only been

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going down lately. Thanks, pandemic. I think

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everybody's down. Yeah. So just out of curiosity,

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why... I am no good at it. So just out of curiosity,

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why did you pick the name Autism Rock and Rolls?

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well it's rocks and rolls i don't mean to correct

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you but i know someone get the listeners confused

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because there's a podcast called autism rock

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and roll but i don't want it's rocks and rolls

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i just want to get them confused so the why i

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take that is because i think autism because that

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was the name we thought it's like what would

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be something good to go with it it was going

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to be inside autistic brain but that sounded

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bland so i thought well wait a minute what do

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i like maybe i could make a hobby and turn to

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something i like and put that in the title so

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I learned that over time. I still do love rock

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music, like hard metal, rock, edgy music, and

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that's where we came up with the name Rocks and

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Rolls. That's cool. What's your favorite band?

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It's a tie between two, ACDC and Nickelback.

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I like ACDC too. I've seen two of them in concert.

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You lucky dog. They weren't easy tickets to come

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by. Though I did say to myself, if they were

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ever having one last rock and roll show before

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they all retired, I was going to be at their

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very, very front row seat. You're going to take

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me with you, man. Sure, why not? And you should

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pick up their new album, Power Up 2020. That's

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a good album. It reminds me of the old ACDC.

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I put some of their new songs on my Spotify playlist.

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I didn't pick all of them. Some of them I didn't

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care for. I'm kind of picky and choosy. I don't

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know. I'm weird. We're all weird. Yeah, there's

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no normal. There's no normal. We're all weird.

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That's what we all say. I guarantee I'm weird.

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So what do you think is the most challenging

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part being autistic? Socializing, honestly. I

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mean, nothing against you, but doing this is

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a minor challenge. But socializing in person

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or at school is a major challenge. I get that.

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What about for a parent? What do you find most

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struggling with someone who lives with you who's

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autistic? Well, I mean, you know, as a mom, as

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a parent, when your child struggles, you feel

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like you're struggling too. So I don't know.

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I mean, probably being patient and trying to

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look at the world, like Sam looks at the world,

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because I think that's only fair. When he was

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diagnosed, when he was four, you know, I always

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spent not a lot of time, but like for a while,

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I thought in my mind, I thought, okay, Sam, I

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understand that he has autism, but I understand

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that he has autism, but at the same time, he's

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got to like, you know, conform to our world and

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he has to. He has to do this and he has to do

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that. And then finally I thought, well, wait

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a minute. He does, but I should be looking at

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the world through his eyes too. Like he shouldn't

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have to work, look through the world through

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my eyes because that's harder for him. So that's

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what I, that's kind of the struggle sometimes

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is if he's struggling with something, part of

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me just wants to be like, are you serious? Like,

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come on, like, stop it. Like, let's just do this.

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Like, let's do it this way. And that's not possible

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for him sometimes. So that's the hardest thing

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for me is to be patient and to understand, like,

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you got to let him, you got to let him think

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things through the way that he knows how. So

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that's why it's hard. But do you always, do you

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feel like that sometimes society, Does it ever

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feel like that society always, that we always

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feel like we had to adapt to society's measures

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and that they never adapt to us? Yeah. I think

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yes, but mainly in some teenagers. Yeah. But

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I think you can come at that various ways. I

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think that society does have a stigma on autism

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and that's kind of Sam's mission through his

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podcast is kind of remove that and to like get

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people to understand that one. This is how people

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on the spectrum think. And unless they're being

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destructive, violent, disrespectful, then we

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need to stop trying to make them what people

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call normal, because that's not fair. You know,

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we, nobody should get to choose what normal is.

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That's just, there's no normal. That's not the

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right thing. So, but yeah, and then like, it

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depends on, depends on the age group. You know,

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adults seem to be more understanding because

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of maturity. But you have, you know, little kids

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that tell it like it is. And then you have just

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those awful middle school, high school years

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where, you know, that's hard for everybody on

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or off of the spectrum. So, yeah, I think that,

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you know, Sam had a really hard time fitting

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in in middle school, kind of early high school,

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because people just. didn't know how to take

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him or they just didn't give him the time of

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day they just immediately judged him like okay

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he's a little quirky like he's not really acting

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like we're acting so we're not going to talk

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to him we're not going to put we're not going

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to you know bring him into our group because

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that's what kids do and so that was hard you

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know but um that still is yeah absolutely Well,

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I know how that feels too because I was bullied

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from elementary school all the way to high school.

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And part of me, I wish it never happened, but

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I kind of think it got me to where I am today

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because I kind of feel like, you know, kind of

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has to go through some of these hardships. I

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also understand, I also feel the same way that

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there's a lot of people, especially some people

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in Hollywood, do not understand autism. I was

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telling Sam before you came down to the podcast

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that there's this new movie called Music. has

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a thousand bad stars and is getting two nominations

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for the Golden Globes this coming Sunday. And

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I said to him that their message is like the

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most discouraging message of them all. And they

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said, In their message of, and I never seen the

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movie by any means, but just reading upon the

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movie, they said that the director didn't research

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autism very well. The actor who played an autistic

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character wasn't even autistic. And they also,

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they said that it's okay to use restraint against

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people who have autism and I also did research

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upon that that it's illegal to do that in 30

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plus states I don't know what happened to the

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other 20 states but I think they fell asleep

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somewhere but yeah I just wanted to get your

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thoughts if you have heard anything of that movie

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I haven't I haven't. We should check it out.

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Yeah, we will. And I'm just curious. I also said

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to Sam, I made a petition if you guys would like

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to sign it after the show because I'm going to

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send it eventually to Hollywood, whoever in Hollywood

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I need to sign to and to share my disgracefulness

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of the movie. Somebody tried to do that ending

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of last year into this year. I don't know the

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outcome of that petition. Honestly, I don't think

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it really worked because they still had the premiere

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of the movie. I will look at that. Have you ever

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watched the series The Good Doctor? I heard of

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it. I watched, I think, the first episode, but

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my days of the week are so like, I'm so busy.

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I like karate three days a week, and then I have

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class two days a week. Yeah, I can tell that.

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I have a black belt, so I can totally relate

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with that. Yeah, that's cool. Do you do Taekwondo?

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It used to be mixed martial arts, but now that

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I'm in kickboxing. She was in kickboxing too,

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but she had a bad knee that won the fight, honestly.

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Yeah, I did. Five years of Krav Maga. Jeez. So,

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but then like messed my knee up. So, well, I'm

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going to let you guys talk. I'm going to run

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upstairs and try to get some work done, but I

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just wanted to pop in and say hi and meet you

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and give you some of my thoughts, but I think

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Sam can take it over from you probably. All right.

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It was nice to meet you. Nice to meet you too.

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All right, Sam. All right. So, Sam, just out

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of curiosity, what do you think needs to change

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for people to understand autism? What was that?

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Sorry. What do you think needs to change for

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people to understand autism? What people need

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to change is give us a chance, honestly. They

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need to give us the opportunity. and give us

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the opportunity to see that we're not bad people

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and we're not broken. I totally agree with you

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on that one. I feel like that we could do a lot

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better in this world, especially, I don't know

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if you know this, but there's some companies

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like Apple, Microsoft, and think google also

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uh hire people who's on the spectrum to get their

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perspective because uh i know for me i like i

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can pay i i look at the very little small details

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of everything which probably does a lot of people

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we're perfect i can always i always say we're

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perfectionist yeah i could definitely i can definitely

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say i'm one of them because uh Some of the stuff

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that breaks on my website doesn't do what I want

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it to do. I'm like, can this thing work the way

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I want it to work? No. I think that's probably

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why a lot of stuff takes me a long time because

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I just want everything to be perfect. That's

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why my editing with my podcast and my editing,

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it takes a while. That's why I think I'm so good

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at it because I don't miss the detail. I'm like,

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nope, we're not going to skip that. If it's possible,

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click. Sometimes for me, sometimes I just kind

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of allow the mistakes to happen a little bit

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just because to keep it real. Because everything

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just kind of, you know, everything tries to be

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perfect on commercials, on TV. And you have the

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misconception of like, hey, everything has to

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be one way. And I was like, yeah. Okay, I had

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an extra um in my sentence. Oh, well. Yeah, and

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here's the deal. It does not have to be their

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way. It can be your way. Yeah, my way or the

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other way. I know it sounds like I'm defining

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parents or something like that, but no. If we're

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going to do it our way, if you don't like it,

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I guess we're not going to do it then. That's

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what I always kind of believed is, you know,

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like when I get a job, I'm going to stock shelves

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my way. If that makes any sense. Yeah. Hopefully

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not get fired, but. So how long have you been

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podcasting for? All over a year since October,

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2019. Jeez. Your podcast is older than mine.

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Jeez. I've been podcasting since. You do the

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math. Yeah. I've been podcasting since April

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of last year. Yeah. Yeah. I'm only. How many

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people have you interviewed so far for your podcast?

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I can tell you that. So, yes, I've had some big

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guests. I'll tell you who they are. So the first

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guy I've had is Armani Williams, who was the

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first openly NASCAR autistic driver. I've had

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a guy named Abe Shapiro, who was the Neurodiversity

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Coalition at Indiana University and made it.

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And then do you watch guys' grocery games at

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all? Yeah. Or like food network shows? Yeah.

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Okay. Do you know the bald -headed one, like

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Simon the Jumdar? I never heard of him, but I

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think if I seen him, I probably would remember.

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Okay. I've had him. He plays for Autistic Cherries.

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He also has a nephew that has autism, so that's

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near and dear to his heart. I've had family.

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I've had Temple Grandin. who's the biggest autistic

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advocate probably alive. She's changed the category

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a lot. And I've also had James Durbin, who's

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the fourth runner up on the 2011 American Idol

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season. I've also had my karate instructors.

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I've also had Manny Harvey, who is the fourth

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runner up on the 2017 AGT season. So fourth runner

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up must be my magic number. I don't know why.

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Peter Lance is a vegan developer that has autism.

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And recently, Jason McElwin, who made 20 points

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in a single game. And he has autism as well.

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And Manny is deaf. Jeez. Just out of curiosity,

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how do you find these people? Message them. That's

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honestly the best way. If you go to Facebook

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and you type in their names, some will have them,

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some won't. But let's say you want to, I'm going

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to make a, let's say, let's say you're a celebrity,

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okay? Jimmy Clare. okay it says messaging because

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that's where because you sometimes check their

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messenger click that send them a message and

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they either ignore or they respond but then sometimes

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it's jimmy claire nope then you just forget about

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them man i wish i was a celebrity i know i do

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too i do too buddy i think we all do well i got

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um I actually, just to tell you a little bit

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about me, my subscribers know this, but I'm actually

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an autism advocate and a motivational speaker.

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And I'm actually applied to be speaking at this

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National Autism Convention in June of this year.

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That's funny. I got asked too. Really? Jeez.

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I did. I think I did. Let me go check. I'm pretty

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sure I did. Let me go check. Hey, Mom. Mom? What?

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Text you? I made a mistake. My mom's working

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on it, but we might be able to. We may not. It

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depends. Well. So do you think that, are there

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any other misconceptions about autism? Yeah.

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Yeah, that we're dumb, that we're stupid, that

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we're completely broke, like broken in society,

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that we can't do anything. Not the case. You're

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like, oh, he's autistic, he's going to love his

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parents forever. Wrong. I agree with that one

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too. I don't like those misconceptions either.

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I hate them. Yeah. You and me both. So before

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we wrap up, just out of curiosity, where can

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people find you and listen to your podcast? So

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they can find me on Podbean, Spotify, iTunes,

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Apple Podcasts, YouTube, LinkedIn, Stitcher,

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and Spotify. And are you on any social media

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networks? Facebook, Sam Stories. Okay. And I'll

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put all these links in the show notes. And do

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you have any last words before we wrap up? Rock

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and roll. It's so simple, yet so complicated.

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Perfect. Well, thanks for being on the show,

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Sam. Of course. I look forward to, I'll definitely

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send you a message when this episode is up and

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running. All right. Thank you. Thank you again.

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