Embracing Vulnerability: A Deep Dive into Men’s Mental Health with Zach and Jeremy from the Fit Mess

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today. Today's guests are Jeremy Grader and Zach

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Tucker. They're the founders and hosts of the

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Fit Mess podcast for nearly a decade. They have

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pushed themselves to learn more about their own

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physical, emotional, and mental health. This

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has created a passion for using their acquired

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knowledge to help others. As hosts of the show

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since 2017, they have had their opportunity to

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speak to a wide range of guests, including some

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of the biggest names in health and wellness.

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I feel jealous. I want some big names in health

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and wellness. I should start collaborating with

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them. Ooh, that'd be really fun. I should go

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hop on their show. So let's welcome them out,

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and maybe they'll give me some tidbits here.

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I'll make sure you can see what that sounds like.

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Hey, Zach. Hey, Jeremy. Hey, Jimmy. We're here,

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man. We're the big names you've been waiting

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for. We finally made it. Woo -hoo! So before

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we get started, can you tell us a little bit

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about who you are, what you do, how you got started,

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and why you got started? Sure. So we have lived

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a life that was a struggle and, you know, relative

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struggle for each of us. And we got through it.

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I mean, we can talk, we can talk in more detail

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about that. But, you know, a lot of the things

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that Jeremy and I went through in our lives was

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really hard and took a lot of resilience to get

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to where we're at. And, you know. When we got

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to our, I don't know what, mid thirties, we kind

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of looked at each other and we're like, Hey,

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we're still trying to improve. We're still trying

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to be better people. We're still, you know, what

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are you doing? What am I doing here? How, you

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know, we're having these really vulnerable conversations

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with each other about how we've struggled our

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whole lives and how we've gotten to a place where

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we're, you know, pretty good. And we really,

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you know, we found that it was really helpful

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for us to have those conversations. And then

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we realized that nobody was having those conversations.

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In, you know, in the men's world, right? And

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men weren't really talking about their feelings

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and vulnerability and what they're struggling

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with and the things that they were doing to get

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better. So Jeremy had been in podcasting for

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years and years and years and years. And I had

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been telling people what to do for years and

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years and years and years and years. And I was

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like, well, this is a really good combination

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and marriage of two skill sets. So I told him

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that we should do a podcast on vulnerability

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and all of these things. And he looked. straight

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in my eyes and was like heck no not doing it

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next please and i'll let him take over from there

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yeah i mean basically you know i didn't feel

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like i was anyone qualified to tell anyone else

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how to live their life or to give advice you

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know the the other podcasts i've been doing were

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largely just you know getting really drunk and

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telling stupid stories about you know my failures

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in life So it was a hard 180 to figure out how

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do I share this growth journey that I'm on in

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a way that's helpful for somebody else without

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any sort of credential or training or anything.

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But the more we talked about it, the more we

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realized the conversations we were having with

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each other were incredibly helpful. The things

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he was telling me were helping me. The things

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I was telling him were helping him. And just

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sort of realized, hey, if we can help each other,

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why not put these conversations out for someone

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else? And, you know, hopefully it's the thing

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they need to hear, the way they need to hear

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it at the time they need to hear it to make some

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changes for a better life. And that's really

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where the show launched. And we've been going

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strong ever since. I love that a lot, especially

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because sometimes when I feel when I made this

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show, I'm thinking sometimes I feel like I'm

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not qualified because I don't have all this amazing

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credentials everyone else has. I had some people

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on my show who had like. Some of them have like

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8, 9, 10 different degrees in the background,

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and all I got is what you see on the screen.

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I was like, it's not that it's not impressive,

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but I'm like, okay, here's a person who's really

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good at what they do, and all I got is a bunch

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of publications. But you're also an expert in

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your own life and your own experience. And if

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that's what you're sharing, nobody knows more

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about it than you. You can read all the books

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in the world, but nobody's lived your experience

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the way you have. And that's what makes you an

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expert. And if you've found things that help

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you and improve your life, who better to hear

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about that than from you? Exactly. And that's

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what I based the show off of, sharing some from

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my point of view. But then I also have the experts

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to fill into the other stuff because I can't

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possibly know everything. I'm not on Google.

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And they don't know everything either. I would

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even add that the lack of degrees or certifications

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does not make you unqualified. To Jeremy's point,

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your life has qualified you in certain ways.

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And I'll and I'll throw it around the flip side

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to those people with degrees and certifications

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does not necessarily mean they're qualified either.

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Right. It's all individual and, you know, perspective

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and, you know, things that I say to one person

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will land differently on who's receiving the

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information. So, you know, I would I would even

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argue like degrees don't make you qualified or

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unqualified or the lack of them don't make you

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qualified or unqualified. I think the only time

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where I would say. I mean, I would say the only

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time, but the type of people that really, I would

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say as long as you're not doing open heart surgery

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and you don't have enough, and if you don't have

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a degree, that's a problem. Yeah. Yeah. And a

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lot of what we do too, like, especially on our

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show is, is, you know, we're, we're not telling

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people what to do. Right. Or, you know, we have

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disclaimers and all kinds of things on our show.

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We really talk about things that have helped

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us, things that haven't helped us that might

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help the next person. And I think one of the

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biggest bits that we talk about on our show and

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when we talk to other shows is curiosity. So

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like, you know, if I if I mentioned the keto

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diet or, you know, something along those lines.

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We don't expect somebody to just go out blindly,

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follow it. Like we really want them to be curious

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about what the keto diet is, how it's going to

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impact them. Is it right for them? Is it wrong

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for them? Like curiosity of yourself is, is probably

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one of the, you know, everyone asks us, what's

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the one thing that we can do to change our lives?

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Be curious, just be curious. So absolutely. It's

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not open heart surgery. We're literally just

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going, Hey, maybe eat a little different. Hey,

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maybe go for a walk. Hey, maybe do this. And

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if it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work for

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you. So you're absolutely right. It's not open

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heart surgery. So my next question for you guys

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are, why do you think some men are not willing

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to be open and talking about their feelings and

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mental health? Because obviously it exists in

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all of us. And there's some people who, like

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I know, who's like, oh, talking to a therapist

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is weird. I'm like, it's not that weird. yeah

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well i mean i think for guys especially it's

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it's how we're raised i mean i i do think this

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is this is shifting in current generations but

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i know in mine I heard toughen up more than once.

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The idea of having feelings, crying as a guy,

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having emotions was not something that was necessarily

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welcome. Or if it was, it wasn't taught in a

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way that was productive. So I've had to really

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sort of unlearn all of my stigma around it. I

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was exposed to therapy pretty early on as a kid.

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Always found it really helpful because when you

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realize that therapy isn't somebody going in

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and altering anything about you, it's largely

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them holding up a mirror and reflecting back

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everything you say to them so you can sort of

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hear it in a different way. For guys, especially,

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I know I'm talking about myself, we spend a lot

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of time in our heads trying to analyze, figure

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out, problem solve, but we don't actually say

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the words out loud. And literally just saying

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the words out loud, your brain hears it differently

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and solves the problem differently. So if you

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can not only have your brain hear you say it

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differently, but have somebody else reflect back

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what they hear when you say it, it just helps

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you process that same information that you spin

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about in your head over and over again. into

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something more productive and so it's it you

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know it's it's cultural it's just the way it's

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kind of always been uh but i do think that there's

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a lot of promise and there's a lot of shifting

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happening toward i mean just the fact that you

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and i are having this conversation right now

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that there is space for for three guys to get

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together and talk about you know what it's like

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to have these feelings and to have to struggle

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with sharing them uh just shows that there is

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more of an opening and an awakening to this as

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a normal thing so the guys can have a full human

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I also, even if somebody didn't want to talk

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to a therapist, like go roll in karate, go punch

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something. I've always find some good ideas when

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I'm punching a bag. Yeah. I'm, I'm a big fan

00:17:08.930 --> 00:17:11.210
of, of somatic therapies like that. Like I believe

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that a lot of like the depression and anxiety

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and the mental health struggles that we have

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are literally stored energy in our body that

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is just trapped and needs an outlet. So hitting

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a bag. screaming, punching a pillow. There's

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a lot of different therapies that I've used.

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Even like yoga, weightlifting, anything that

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moves your body and challenges it and stresses

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your muscles really just helps release that energy

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and move it through you in a more productive

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way rather than just hanging onto it and letting

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it create stories about how horrible you are,

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how you're catastrophizing everything that's

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going to happen in your life. If you can find

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a way to harness that energy and really move

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it, that's where, like you said, those best ideas

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and progress really comes from. So I had to ask

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Zach this. Just curious, has anyone ever told

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you you look like a movie star somewhere? Yes,

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I actually hear it quite a bit. It's happening

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more and more. I was actually at a concert back

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a couple of weeks ago. they were convinced that

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I, that I was just standing on the floor and

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like the people around me, I was there by myself.

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So I didn't have anyone with me. They were convinced

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that I was, uh, one of the, I forget his name,

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a late night talk show host. Um, I've been referred

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to as Kevin Bacon before. There's a guy in Allie

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McBeal that people talk about, um, all the time.

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So it, it happens a lot. I can't tell you how

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many times I'm at home watching a movie with

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my wife and she'll go, God, that guy looks like

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Zach. I decided to bring it up because somebody

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once said to me that I look like Matt Damon.

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Oh, I can see that. I was like, no, I'm the poor

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Matt Damon. It's funny you said Kevin Bacon though,

00:19:03.880 --> 00:19:05.299
Zach, because we were watching Footloose the

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other night and Cheryl was like, God, Kevin Bacon

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looks like Zach. Heard that one a few times.

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What about Damian Lewis? Oh, I don't know. Oh,

00:19:15.329 --> 00:19:19.269
maybe. Maybe. I haven't heard that one. No. Add

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that to your list. All right. So my next question

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for you guys are, how can men start sharing more

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of their feelings openly to either each other

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or to their partners or, I don't know, girlfriends,

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whatever they're interested in? How do you convince

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them? Is that what you said? How can they start

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opening it up for a conversation instead of just

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being up here all the time? That's a good question.

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If we had the answer to that. I think we do.

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Just our conversations. You start with the friends

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you're closest with. Zach and I were on a very

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similar journey. The reason we met was because

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our wives were pregnant at the same time. And

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so we were, you know, involved in these fitness

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activities that our wives were doing. And so

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we got sort of roped into it because, you know,

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if they're friends, then we had to be friends.

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And, you know, we had a lot in common because

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we had a lot of the same fears and stresses about

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what was coming down the road as new parents.

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So you got to find the people that you share

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some commonality with as, you know, to begin

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with. And then start testing the waters. Right.

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I mean, for us, it wasn't like, hey, hey, Zach,

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what happened to you when you were six? Right.

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It was you start with talking about the game

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because that's what everybody talks about. And

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then maybe you float out like, hey, so how are

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you doing with this? Like, you know, what's going

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on at work? Are you stressed as a dad? Like kind

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of throwing those softballs out there to test

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the waters. And when it lands, then, you know,

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this is somebody who you might be able to go

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a little bit deeper with. But also like there's

00:21:04.460 --> 00:21:06.000
the people that are going to be turned off by

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that and you're going to scare them away. For

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me, that's great. I like filtering out and knowing

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that I don't need to waste time trying to build

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deeper relationships with people that aren't

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ready for it and can't handle it. So you have

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to be willing to risk a little bit. You have

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to be willing to lose a little bit. But I mean,

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the safest way, honestly, is probably starting

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with a therapist or someone who is an independent

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third party. That's somebody who is not going

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to bring judgment into the room. They're going

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to bring in a clinical lens and hold up that

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mirror and show you that you can say these things

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out loud and it's going to be okay. And once

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you've tested that and once you feel safe there,

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then honestly, a therapist will give you some

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more tools to expand even further into your normal

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conversations with people. But it's all just,

00:21:50.309 --> 00:21:53.930
it is risky. And you have to be willing to lose

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a little bit to gain, I think, so much more.

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Yeah, I'll double down on the therapist part.

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I mean, there is, you know, patient client confidentiality

00:22:05.990 --> 00:22:08.250
too, right? I mean, the things you say in there

00:22:08.250 --> 00:22:10.329
are not going to leave the room, right? If you

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talk to a friend or, you know, someone like that,

00:22:13.470 --> 00:22:17.269
they're, you know, if you're just diving into

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this, like, you know. That might be a concern.

00:22:19.940 --> 00:22:21.980
So definitely go talk to a therapist or a coach

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or somebody who's going to keep that information

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private until you're ready. Like for me, I noticed

00:22:28.759 --> 00:22:32.960
that I have a couple of best friends who I tell

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a lot of things to and other people who I just

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say that I tell stuff to but not as in detail

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or I just keep them. A little bit to a distance,

00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:52.000
just from some past experience. I'm not going

00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:54.920
to name any names, just because some of them

00:22:54.920 --> 00:22:57.700
might listen to the show, and I'm going to keep

00:22:57.700 --> 00:23:04.039
them guessing. You mean the whole story, or just

00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:12.319
the point? I'm not going to say squat. That's

00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:17.200
right. They can call my lawyer. Yeah. I mean,

00:23:17.240 --> 00:23:19.559
I think, you know, the people that you are keeping

00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:22.220
at a distance, it's going to be very individual.

00:23:22.220 --> 00:23:25.500
It's going to depend on that person. But I think

00:23:25.500 --> 00:23:28.039
a lot of us are craving vulnerability. We're

00:23:28.039 --> 00:23:31.359
craving connection, especially in this cyber

00:23:31.359 --> 00:23:33.440
connected world where these are most of the conversations

00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:35.460
we're having are over screens and we're not in

00:23:35.460 --> 00:23:36.980
the same room with people as much as we used

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to be. So, you know, I would test those waters.

00:23:41.139 --> 00:23:45.140
And maybe don't open up about you, but ask. Ask

00:23:45.140 --> 00:23:47.819
the other person. Invite it from them so that

00:23:47.819 --> 00:23:51.880
they feel safe. Because you've done enough of

00:23:51.880 --> 00:23:53.259
these interviews, I think, to know that people

00:23:53.259 --> 00:23:55.460
love talking about themselves. So if you give

00:23:55.460 --> 00:23:56.980
them an opportunity to talk about themselves

00:23:56.980 --> 00:23:58.900
and what they're going through. you might be

00:23:58.900 --> 00:24:00.619
surprised how much they'll open up to you and

00:24:00.619 --> 00:24:02.700
make you feel safe going, oh, that's crazy. I

00:24:02.700 --> 00:24:05.460
have the same thing. I feel the same way. I go

00:24:05.460 --> 00:24:08.380
through that too. And that bond can be created.

00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:10.319
So, I mean, I wouldn't necessarily, you know,

00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:12.000
run down to the bus stop and just shouting at

00:24:12.000 --> 00:24:13.700
strangers about, you know, how you cry sometimes.

00:24:14.140 --> 00:24:15.839
But, you know, when you're hanging out with friends,

00:24:15.940 --> 00:24:17.380
ask them some questions about their feelings.

00:24:17.859 --> 00:24:21.299
Is that frowned upon? I think generally it's

00:24:21.299 --> 00:24:24.980
frowned upon. I could picture seeing somebody

00:24:24.980 --> 00:24:32.420
doing that. I bet you if I Googled it on YouTube,

00:24:32.660 --> 00:24:36.039
I'm sure someone already has done that. There's

00:24:36.039 --> 00:24:37.859
probably a very successful YouTube channel of

00:24:37.859 --> 00:24:39.319
somebody going to a bus stop and shouting their

00:24:39.319 --> 00:24:41.660
feelings at people. It's a very niche program

00:24:41.660 --> 00:24:44.920
that I think people would be really into. So

00:24:44.920 --> 00:24:49.799
my next question for you guys are, what kind

00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:55.549
of guests have you had on your show? Can you

00:24:55.549 --> 00:24:59.349
share some of those, I guess? Not like I'm stalking

00:24:59.349 --> 00:25:01.809
them or anything. I mean, yeah, no, it's, I mean,

00:25:01.829 --> 00:25:04.630
it's all out there. We've had, I mean, we've

00:25:04.630 --> 00:25:06.430
had some pretty big names. We've had, you know,

00:25:06.450 --> 00:25:10.869
Ryan Holiday, Sean T, Dave Asprey, Gary John

00:25:10.869 --> 00:25:16.170
Bishop, Gretchen Rubin. I'm forgetting. Yeah.

00:25:16.470 --> 00:25:20.440
Keep going. Yeah. Tony Horton. You already mentioned

00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:24.700
Sean T. Greg Everett, great Olympic training

00:25:24.700 --> 00:25:28.660
athlete and author. Just tons of people that

00:25:28.660 --> 00:25:30.779
we've been incredibly privileged to be able to

00:25:30.779 --> 00:25:32.819
pick their brains and have some personal therapy

00:25:32.819 --> 00:25:36.079
sessions with and learn from. So, yeah, a long

00:25:36.079 --> 00:25:39.779
list. We've done 260 -something episodes as of

00:25:39.779 --> 00:25:43.140
this recording, and the vast majority of them

00:25:43.140 --> 00:25:47.480
are with guests. And so, yeah, you can find them

00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:51.380
all on our website. That's amazing because I

00:25:51.380 --> 00:25:58.759
just started, I mean, I'm currently almost up

00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:03.640
to 80 episodes at the moment. I release every

00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:06.799
month, once a month only because I'm only one

00:26:06.799 --> 00:26:10.839
person. If somebody could clone me like six different

00:26:10.839 --> 00:26:14.059
times, the clones don't even need to even talk.

00:26:14.140 --> 00:26:17.220
I just point and just go do something. Right,

00:26:17.220 --> 00:26:20.579
right. I would definitely do, maybe if I could,

00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:27.000
but too many things to do for promoting everything

00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:29.400
else. I mean, not being lazy on it or anything,

00:26:29.480 --> 00:26:32.980
just being realistic. It's like, how do I maintain

00:26:32.980 --> 00:26:36.829
this going years to come? Yeah. roughly or do

00:26:36.829 --> 00:26:39.369
i do it weekly and burn myself out quickly right

00:26:39.369 --> 00:26:41.109
and that's a good that's a good lesson for anybody

00:26:41.109 --> 00:26:42.869
listening to this i think a lot of us tend to

00:26:42.869 --> 00:26:44.410
over invest ourselves in things that we don't

00:26:44.410 --> 00:26:46.569
necessarily have time for so it's it's really

00:26:46.569 --> 00:26:49.490
important i think to to have a look in the mirror

00:26:49.490 --> 00:26:51.529
and go what am i really capable of doing here

00:26:51.529 --> 00:26:54.150
let's get real with this and take into account

00:26:54.150 --> 00:26:56.450
the fact that you you do need downtime you do

00:26:56.450 --> 00:26:58.130
need time to rest you do need time to recover

00:26:58.130 --> 00:27:00.769
you do need time for family and all the you know

00:27:00.769 --> 00:27:02.769
paying your bills and all the obligations so

00:27:03.679 --> 00:27:05.559
There's absolutely nothing wrong with saying,

00:27:05.640 --> 00:27:08.319
I only have so much time for this and drawing

00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:11.160
that line in the sand. Yeah. I mean, we can speak

00:27:11.160 --> 00:27:13.779
from experience. When we started our show, I

00:27:13.779 --> 00:27:15.920
think we released once every two weeks, something

00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:19.160
like that. Yeah. Then we went weekly and then

00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:23.420
we went twice a week and then life happened and

00:27:23.420 --> 00:27:25.299
we're like, ooh, twice a week's a lot. Let's

00:27:25.299 --> 00:27:29.680
go back down to a week. life gets in the way

00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:32.180
and like and and we struggle sometimes to to

00:27:32.180 --> 00:27:35.119
get that out there but yeah um i would never

00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.940
clone myself personally just simply because like

00:27:38.940 --> 00:27:40.680
people have the world's got enough of you already

00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:42.339
there's already one of me that people have to

00:27:42.339 --> 00:27:44.480
deal with like six of me would be way too much

00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:48.740
i wouldn't wish that on anyone Well, you know,

00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:51.339
I was thinking it would be kind of cool if there

00:27:51.339 --> 00:27:53.400
were six of me because then they could be like

00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:59.180
all different kinds of Jimmys. Be the original

00:27:59.180 --> 00:28:02.740
and then be some other kind of Jimmy too. Just

00:28:02.740 --> 00:28:04.779
imagine how open and vulnerable you could be

00:28:04.779 --> 00:28:06.500
with those guys. I mean, nobody knows you better,

00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:10.500
right? I feel like if I did that, like I'd get

00:28:10.500 --> 00:28:12.440
nothing done because all six of me would fight

00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:14.759
with each other. No, I want to be. No, I want

00:28:14.759 --> 00:28:21.359
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00:29:13.700 --> 00:29:22.640
month for $30 a year. That's why they shouldn't

00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:28.160
need to talk at all. That'd be really creepy,

00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:33.119
though, because I remember there's some TV shows

00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.940
and some movies I've seen where they have one

00:29:35.940 --> 00:29:38.579
episode of somebody just clone themselves in

00:29:38.579 --> 00:29:42.140
the movie, and they're just talking to each other.

00:29:42.380 --> 00:29:44.279
I was like, that'd be kind of creepy just talking

00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.880
to myself. Hey, Jimmy, how are you doing? Oh,

00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:50.619
I'm good. What about the other Jimmy? Well, sometimes

00:29:50.619 --> 00:29:52.759
I think it's creepier when we're doing one of

00:29:52.759 --> 00:29:54.500
these episodes by ourselves and I'm just talking

00:29:54.500 --> 00:29:57.160
to myself in a room by myself. I think that's

00:29:57.160 --> 00:29:59.180
a little creepier than talking to cloned versions

00:29:59.180 --> 00:30:05.640
of me. Yeah, I used to, there was only one or

00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:09.000
two, okay, three episodes that I've done by myself.

00:30:09.740 --> 00:30:11.859
And then there's a reason why I have guests.

00:30:12.059 --> 00:30:16.819
I was like, I can't listen to myself talk. That's

00:30:16.819 --> 00:30:19.259
enough of me. I've had enough of me. Exactly.

00:30:22.900 --> 00:30:26.880
I want like a James Earl Jones voice or a Mike

00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:30.059
Rowe voice or something better than my voice.

00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:33.859
Yeah. Who doesn't want one of those voices? My

00:30:33.859 --> 00:30:37.680
voice sounds like a nails on a chalkboard. It

00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:39.880
doesn't. Darth Vader is the voice in my head

00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:41.880
sometimes, so I kind of live with James Earl

00:30:41.880 --> 00:30:47.910
Jones. Perfect. I can have it. Yeah, I can picture

00:30:47.910 --> 00:30:51.769
that for my brain too sometimes. It's like, insert

00:30:51.769 --> 00:31:00.569
your feelings. So my next question for you is,

00:31:00.710 --> 00:31:09.589
how did you start finding... What was it like

00:31:09.589 --> 00:31:11.930
to reach out to those kind of guests on your

00:31:11.930 --> 00:31:15.269
show? Wait, you guys are a bunch of nobodies

00:31:15.269 --> 00:31:20.109
talking about your feelings? I mean, like for

00:31:20.109 --> 00:31:25.609
Sean T, Tony Horan. I mean, I think it's similar

00:31:25.609 --> 00:31:27.390
to what I was talking about with being vulnerable.

00:31:27.569 --> 00:31:30.869
You just have to take the risk. The answer is

00:31:30.869 --> 00:31:35.210
no until you ask. So you have to ask to even

00:31:35.210 --> 00:31:39.049
have a shot. And it's, you know, yeah, at first

00:31:39.049 --> 00:31:41.450
you're a little nervous, like, oh, are they going

00:31:41.450 --> 00:31:42.990
to reject me? What's going to happen? But in

00:31:42.990 --> 00:31:45.069
the end, like, if they reject you, what's different?

00:31:45.329 --> 00:31:48.529
The answer was no yesterday. If the answer is

00:31:48.529 --> 00:31:52.089
no today, cool. Like, I better come up with a

00:31:52.089 --> 00:31:55.289
way to make it a yes next time. So it's a learning

00:31:55.289 --> 00:31:57.150
lesson, right? Like, you just have to take the

00:31:57.150 --> 00:31:59.509
chance and put yourself out there. And, you know,

00:31:59.569 --> 00:32:02.230
I mean, for any podcaster or interviewer who's,

00:32:02.309 --> 00:32:04.789
you know, wrestling with this, like, what's in

00:32:04.789 --> 00:32:07.460
it for them? Offer to them what? what value it

00:32:07.460 --> 00:32:09.660
brings to them. Like what audience are they going

00:32:09.660 --> 00:32:12.079
to reach? How dedicated is your listener? You

00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:13.640
know, and the more you can make it about them

00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:16.000
and just take the risk and ask them, you'd be

00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:17.539
surprised to often they'll say yes. Because again,

00:32:17.660 --> 00:32:21.559
who doesn't love talking about themselves? I

00:32:21.559 --> 00:32:27.279
actually had two groups, two USA Today's bestselling

00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.440
authors yesterday on my show. It's not out yet,

00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:37.700
but they, what was really, really cool was let's

00:32:37.700 --> 00:32:39.460
just say i've been meaning there's the series

00:32:39.460 --> 00:32:45.240
that they're written and it's well basically

00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:50.140
i really love the series and when i got them

00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:52.660
to my shore house the other like a few weeks

00:32:52.660 --> 00:32:57.119
ago i was like you know what i I waited long

00:32:57.119 --> 00:32:59.839
enough. I still haven't finished the book, all

00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:01.880
the books yet, but I was like, I'm going to reach

00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:04.400
out to them, see what they have to say. And I

00:33:04.400 --> 00:33:06.259
was just like, what you said, and I was like,

00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.339
what are they going to do, say no? I was like,

00:33:09.380 --> 00:33:12.039
okay. And I was like, but it's like, I want to

00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.940
feature them on my show to talk about the book.

00:33:15.339 --> 00:33:17.279
And I was like, I always showed interest in their

00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.380
book. And so I reached out to them. Within an

00:33:21.380 --> 00:33:24.980
hour, they... reached back out to me and was

00:33:24.980 --> 00:33:27.099
like, we would love to be on your show. I'm like,

00:33:27.259 --> 00:33:29.539
okay, I have goosebumps. I'm kind of scared.

00:33:29.859 --> 00:33:34.819
I was like, I don't know. What was amazing, though,

00:33:34.859 --> 00:33:38.420
is that they were super, super nice. I was like,

00:33:38.980 --> 00:33:44.440
holy crap. I mean, I wouldn't say I wasn't expecting

00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:49.380
them to not be nice, but USA Today's best -selling

00:33:49.380 --> 00:33:55.140
author and Jimmy Clare, who's nobody. But are

00:33:55.140 --> 00:33:58.099
you? I mean, you do this show. People show up

00:33:58.099 --> 00:33:59.920
that you've created a relationship with them.

00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:02.619
So you bring value to people's lives just because

00:34:02.619 --> 00:34:04.960
you don't have a bestselling book. You know,

00:34:04.980 --> 00:34:06.779
there's I heard somebody talking about this and

00:34:06.779 --> 00:34:09.619
I'm going to mess this up. This is me being vulnerable.

00:34:09.739 --> 00:34:11.559
I don't really know what I'm talking about. But

00:34:11.559 --> 00:34:13.199
somebody was talking about quantum theory the

00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:16.480
other day and how it translates down to even

00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:19.679
the small actions matter. So like whether you

00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:22.179
are. The baker, the butcher, the guy that sells

00:34:22.179 --> 00:34:24.820
the shoe or the president or the USA Today bestselling

00:34:24.820 --> 00:34:27.920
author, whatever you're doing has impact on the

00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:31.539
universe on some level. So you talking to us

00:34:31.539 --> 00:34:33.960
right now is going to make an impact on somebody's

00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:35.719
life somewhere. And that can have a ripple effect

00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:40.059
that we will never understand. So from the author's

00:34:40.059 --> 00:34:42.559
point of view, they probably spent years writing

00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:44.760
a book and somebody wants to ask them about it

00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:46.320
and they have an opportunity to sell a few more

00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:48.380
copies by doing it. Yeah, they're going to jump

00:34:48.380 --> 00:34:51.710
at that. Why not? I think, Jimmy, you've got

00:34:51.710 --> 00:34:53.829
a few limiting beliefs that are getting in your

00:34:53.829 --> 00:34:57.389
way of reaching new heights that are just beyond

00:34:57.389 --> 00:35:01.610
your reach. I agree with that. I would call it,

00:35:01.630 --> 00:35:04.010
I like to, I'm just trying to stay humble. It's

00:35:04.010 --> 00:35:06.960
because there's nothing more to... Let's just

00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:11.199
say I've seen over the years either in the podcasting

00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:13.940
industry where there's like, oh, I know everything,

00:35:14.099 --> 00:35:17.239
and then they refuse to keep learning. And then

00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:21.679
where if I say, oh, I'm super big, and then somebody's

00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:23.599
going to find out, oh, I'm not really big at

00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:26.800
all. I'd rather be open and transparent and say,

00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:30.519
yes, I'm not Joe Rogan. I'm not Lewis Howes.

00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:35.010
I'm not Tony Robbins. Yeah, it doesn't mean that

00:35:35.010 --> 00:35:38.210
I won't be there one day or another. Literally,

00:35:38.210 --> 00:35:41.150
a podcast download could just take off instantly.

00:35:43.170 --> 00:35:45.849
Yeah, you never know. At least I won't be a bio

00:35:45.849 --> 00:35:49.110
content TikTok video where somebody's doing something

00:35:49.110 --> 00:35:54.710
stupid. I think we all worry about that, yeah.

00:35:55.750 --> 00:35:58.429
Yeah, it's like, I don't want to do something

00:35:58.429 --> 00:36:03.449
stupid. I mean, I maybe have said some stupid

00:36:03.449 --> 00:36:05.969
things on social media. Like, I mean, I'm not

00:36:05.969 --> 00:36:08.690
like too edgy, stupid, but I mean, I might've

00:36:08.690 --> 00:36:10.829
put my own foot in my mouth a few times and I

00:36:10.829 --> 00:36:13.269
owned up to it, but it's like, I don't want to

00:36:13.269 --> 00:36:15.789
do something totally stupid. Yeah. But honestly,

00:36:16.010 --> 00:36:19.190
like we, we get plenty of hate on Tik TOK. We

00:36:19.190 --> 00:36:21.489
get 10, plenty of comments that, you know, insult

00:36:21.489 --> 00:36:24.610
me, call us stupid, call our opinions wrong or,

00:36:24.630 --> 00:36:28.710
or ridiculous. Like. Cool. I'm glad they live

00:36:28.710 --> 00:36:30.789
in a world where they need to insult other people

00:36:30.789 --> 00:36:33.909
or to point out what they see as flaws in others.

00:36:34.469 --> 00:36:37.550
Again, we share our perspective. We're not wrong

00:36:37.550 --> 00:36:39.630
about our perspective. We're not wrong about

00:36:39.630 --> 00:36:43.150
our experience. So people can hate all they want.

00:36:43.309 --> 00:36:46.269
Cool. Good for them. That must be a really crappy

00:36:46.269 --> 00:36:48.570
way to live. All I'm trying to do is share my

00:36:48.570 --> 00:36:50.889
experience so that somebody else who is struggling

00:36:50.889 --> 00:36:53.769
the way I once struggled and still honestly do

00:36:53.769 --> 00:36:55.989
sometimes, if they can hear what they need to

00:36:55.989 --> 00:36:57.969
hear the right way at the right time to make

00:36:57.969 --> 00:37:00.969
a big change in their life, totally worth all

00:37:00.969 --> 00:37:03.849
of the morons on TikTok that want to spew their

00:37:03.849 --> 00:37:10.650
hate. Yeah, and I don't care about coming off

00:37:10.650 --> 00:37:13.219
as stupid or doing something stupid. necessarily

00:37:13.219 --> 00:37:15.159
because the people who will judge me based on

00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:17.500
that are not the people i really want to be around

00:37:17.500 --> 00:37:20.980
right um to jeremy's point the the people who

00:37:20.980 --> 00:37:26.179
comment at us in a in a negative fashion i hope

00:37:26.179 --> 00:37:28.159
they find what they're looking for i really do

00:37:28.159 --> 00:37:33.300
but it's it takes no part of my brain or my conscious

00:37:33.300 --> 00:37:36.840
the hate or you know negative things that they're

00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:38.900
spreading because it just doesn't matter to me

00:37:38.900 --> 00:37:41.909
right it to jeremy's point we are right from

00:37:41.909 --> 00:37:44.389
our perspective, a certain point of view, right?

00:37:44.449 --> 00:37:47.989
If we're going to quote star Wars, we are right.

00:37:48.070 --> 00:37:50.030
And there's nothing wrong with, with that. And

00:37:50.030 --> 00:37:52.550
Jeremy and I are open to like, if we believe

00:37:52.550 --> 00:37:55.210
something and we find evidence that's counter

00:37:55.210 --> 00:37:57.829
to that, we own up to it. We're okay admitting

00:37:57.829 --> 00:38:00.809
we're wrong. Yeah. Um, but yeah, no, I say do

00:38:00.809 --> 00:38:03.230
the stupid thing because the people, the people

00:38:03.230 --> 00:38:04.829
you want in your life are the ones who are going

00:38:04.829 --> 00:38:06.409
to support you and laugh even when you're doing

00:38:06.409 --> 00:38:10.469
something stupid. So my next question for you

00:38:10.469 --> 00:38:13.360
guys are, What kind of struggles did you have

00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:18.539
to overcome in your mental health? How about

00:38:18.539 --> 00:38:26.900
we list the ones I didn't have to list? No, so

00:38:26.900 --> 00:38:32.960
for me, I run on the anxious side. My anxiety

00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.900
is, there's some evidence that it's a genetic

00:38:35.900 --> 00:38:39.079
trait. My mother was super anxious. I was also

00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.250
raised in in a way that was super neglectful.

00:38:42.590 --> 00:38:45.070
Um, you know, four or five, six years old, I

00:38:45.070 --> 00:38:46.869
would be left at home for four or five days at

00:38:46.869 --> 00:38:51.010
a time. Um, you know, just set up this ridiculous

00:38:51.010 --> 00:38:55.670
childhood trauma. Um, and because of that anxiety,

00:38:55.809 --> 00:38:59.269
because that anxiety ran so high, there was a

00:38:59.269 --> 00:39:01.210
lot of depression involved. There was a lot of,

00:39:01.289 --> 00:39:04.730
um, there still is imposter syndrome. Like, I

00:39:04.730 --> 00:39:06.449
don't think I'm good enough and I don't think,

00:39:06.570 --> 00:39:10.239
um, You know, I was told my whole life that I'm

00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:12.780
stupid and I'm actually fairly intelligent, but

00:39:12.780 --> 00:39:15.300
I still think I'm stupid. I still have these,

00:39:15.380 --> 00:39:19.760
you know, calls at work or, you know, conversations

00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:21.420
with people and they're like, hey, that was really

00:39:21.420 --> 00:39:23.679
smart. Why didn't we, like, that's amazing. Like,

00:39:23.780 --> 00:39:25.900
you're a really smart guy. And I'm like, I got

00:39:25.900 --> 00:39:30.500
them fooled, right? It's still there. So that's

00:39:30.500 --> 00:39:32.360
been my struggle my whole life is really this

00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:36.619
anxiety. And it was so bad when I was... I don't

00:39:36.619 --> 00:39:40.480
know, 22, 22, 23, after I got through like the

00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.159
partying days. Cause like, you know, give me

00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.800
a little alcohol. That anxiety went away. I was

00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:47.360
good then, but it was so bad in those early days

00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:49.440
that I couldn't really talk to people. I didn't

00:39:49.440 --> 00:39:51.239
like going to the grocery store because I had

00:39:51.239 --> 00:39:53.780
to be around people. What's that one, like that

00:39:53.780 --> 00:39:57.300
little kid that's like, Oh, people, that was

00:39:57.300 --> 00:40:00.920
me. That was all me. I couldn't, I couldn't have

00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:03.320
conversation. trouble having conversations with

00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:06.219
women like males like just across the board super

00:40:06.219 --> 00:40:11.019
super super bad anxiety um and and it took years

00:40:11.019 --> 00:40:13.260
to to you know put in place all these little

00:40:13.260 --> 00:40:17.659
tools and techniques to tame it and then even

00:40:17.659 --> 00:40:19.679
still when i was 30 after i had been working

00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:21.940
on all these things to tame that anxiety i i

00:40:21.940 --> 00:40:25.139
was officially diagnosed like they you know they

00:40:25.139 --> 00:40:28.769
went ran me through this whole um series of tests

00:40:28.769 --> 00:40:30.630
and they were like so here's the top of the scale

00:40:30.630 --> 00:40:34.090
for anxiety you're way up here and what I thought

00:40:34.090 --> 00:40:36.630
was totally normal and I thought that I'd totally

00:40:36.630 --> 00:40:38.690
beaten it and gotten by they were like yeah no

00:40:38.690 --> 00:40:40.969
you're still an anxious ball and you need to

00:40:40.969 --> 00:40:42.929
deal with this stuff so and again for the next

00:40:42.929 --> 00:40:46.449
15 years I've been doing meditation and making

00:40:46.449 --> 00:40:48.550
sure I'm moving my body and like all these things

00:40:48.550 --> 00:40:50.369
that deal with my anxiety to the point where

00:40:50.369 --> 00:40:54.030
I still have really bad anxiety but I don't think

00:40:54.030 --> 00:40:56.929
you'd ever be able to tell from the surface that's

00:40:56.929 --> 00:40:59.559
again And I've lived with depression my entire

00:40:59.559 --> 00:41:01.699
life. And right now I'm in the middle of the

00:41:01.699 --> 00:41:03.579
longest stretch of my entire life without a major

00:41:03.579 --> 00:41:05.300
depressive episode. I don't think I've had one

00:41:05.300 --> 00:41:08.960
since like November. And it's as a result of

00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:10.940
the tools that I put in place to manage it, I've

00:41:10.940 --> 00:41:14.639
been able to recognize that overwhelm is largely

00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.139
the trigger for it. When everything feels like

00:41:17.139 --> 00:41:20.340
too much, my system just shuts down and I cannot

00:41:20.340 --> 00:41:23.699
get out of it. And through a lot of different

00:41:23.699 --> 00:41:27.219
exercise routines, just different things I'm

00:41:27.219 --> 00:41:29.000
feeding my body, different mindsets, different,

00:41:29.079 --> 00:41:31.380
you know, tools like cold plunging and meditation,

00:41:31.500 --> 00:41:33.280
different things that I, that I have in my, in

00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:36.159
my toolkit, I can start to recognize it sooner

00:41:36.159 --> 00:41:38.239
and I can make more conscious decisions about

00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:41.480
the way I respond before it would look like,

00:41:41.480 --> 00:41:43.719
you know, a tsunami wave that was just inevitable.

00:41:43.860 --> 00:41:46.539
And I would just let it wash over me and wait

00:41:46.539 --> 00:41:49.780
until, you know, the, the, the seas receded back

00:41:49.780 --> 00:41:52.159
out into the ocean. And it would sometimes take

00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:54.300
days where I, like I. Didn't want to leave my

00:41:54.300 --> 00:41:56.280
room. I just wanted to be in a dark space alone

00:41:56.280 --> 00:41:58.699
and not have to interact with anyone because

00:41:58.699 --> 00:42:01.139
I couldn't handle it. But now I can start to

00:42:01.139 --> 00:42:03.599
feel it coming. I can see the wave and I have

00:42:03.599 --> 00:42:05.920
the tools to either get in a boat, grab a life

00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.480
ring or do something about it and prevent it

00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:12.059
from watching over me the way it used to. So,

00:42:12.059 --> 00:42:14.159
you know, I still certainly get down, right?

00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:19.259
Like I'll have bad, bad days, bad feelings. And

00:42:19.259 --> 00:42:21.840
I'm able to better recognize that this feeling

00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:24.199
is a result of this trigger. There's something

00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.159
that's making me feel this way. And so rather

00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.360
than going, well, it's depression. Here it goes

00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.179
again. I'm able to rationalize. Okay, this is

00:42:33.179 --> 00:42:35.219
a normal human response to be upset about this

00:42:35.219 --> 00:42:37.599
thing that happened. It's okay. It's going to

00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:39.880
be okay tomorrow. What can we do with this energy?

00:42:40.059 --> 00:42:41.579
Can we go to the gym and throw some heavy things

00:42:41.579 --> 00:42:44.059
around? Can we go for a long hike? What can I

00:42:44.059 --> 00:42:46.739
do to manage it? So that's been the big one for

00:42:46.739 --> 00:42:50.869
me. Up until the point of having these tools,

00:42:51.030 --> 00:42:53.670
I certainly relied on alcohol to manage my feelings.

00:42:53.789 --> 00:42:55.530
Anything that felt uncomfortable, you just pour

00:42:55.530 --> 00:42:57.110
some beer on it and it goes away real quick.

00:42:57.590 --> 00:43:00.150
Social anxiety, I still deal with. I mean, to

00:43:00.150 --> 00:43:02.110
Zach's point about going to the grocery store,

00:43:02.150 --> 00:43:03.630
I still don't like going out where there's a

00:43:03.630 --> 00:43:08.239
lot of people because I'm nervous about... talking

00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:11.039
to people because my thoughts don't always match

00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:12.800
up with the words that are coming out. The words

00:43:12.800 --> 00:43:15.139
are usually sort of the friendly, small talk

00:43:15.139 --> 00:43:16.639
that, you know, how are you doing? What's going

00:43:16.639 --> 00:43:18.119
on with you? Oh, what are you guys doing this

00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:20.079
weekend? And inside, I'm just thinking, God,

00:43:20.179 --> 00:43:21.780
I hope they don't figure out what a fraud and

00:43:21.780 --> 00:43:24.019
a loser I am, right? Like there's this conflict.

00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:27.159
And so I still struggle with the anxiety part

00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.000
of that. And certainly just crowds and all that

00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:31.880
is too much traffic. I can't handle it anymore.

00:43:32.699 --> 00:43:34.699
So, I mean, there's tons of mental health stuff,

00:43:34.760 --> 00:43:37.219
but depression has been really my Achilles heel

00:43:37.219 --> 00:43:39.519
for most of my life. But I think I finally am

00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.980
at a place where I can relatively safely say

00:43:42.980 --> 00:43:47.820
I've beaten it. I think for me, there's a few

00:43:47.820 --> 00:43:51.159
times where I went through depression. Back when

00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:54.300
I was getting bullied for eight plus years in

00:43:54.300 --> 00:43:59.469
public school, growing up. And just recently,

00:43:59.570 --> 00:44:02.730
I kind of fell into, I wouldn't say a depressive

00:44:02.730 --> 00:44:07.150
state. I was in a funk. And I couldn't get out

00:44:07.150 --> 00:44:11.369
of it. No matter what I was trying to do, I couldn't

00:44:11.369 --> 00:44:13.829
get out of it. I was like, where's it going to

00:44:13.829 --> 00:44:15.969
take me to get out of this annoying funk? Everything

00:44:15.969 --> 00:44:17.909
was just like, I don't feel like doing this.

00:44:18.050 --> 00:44:21.710
I don't feel like doing that. I mean, it wasn't

00:44:21.710 --> 00:44:25.190
like I lost interest in stuff. But even editing

00:44:25.190 --> 00:44:27.780
the podcast was just like... I don't even want

00:44:27.780 --> 00:44:29.440
to listen to my own voice. I don't feel like

00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:31.559
marketing. I don't feel like doing this. I feel

00:44:31.559 --> 00:44:35.019
like the list goes on and on and on. When I was

00:44:35.019 --> 00:44:38.840
up at karate three days a week, I was kind of

00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:44.260
like, punching, punching, punching. It wasn't

00:44:44.260 --> 00:44:46.400
part of that either, but because I was in the

00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:48.579
funk, I was not enjoying being in the present

00:44:48.579 --> 00:44:52.300
moment. All I was just thinking was like, what's

00:44:52.300 --> 00:44:54.159
the moment I'm going to bring? Blah, blah, blah.

00:44:56.039 --> 00:45:00.739
What took me out of the funk was I attended this

00:45:00.739 --> 00:45:06.840
webinar by one of my colleagues. And the reason

00:45:06.840 --> 00:45:08.880
I'm not going to name his name is because, one,

00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:15.059
I didn't ask him, and two, in case if he doesn't

00:45:15.059 --> 00:45:18.380
do another event, I don't want to. It's like,

00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:22.219
oh, yeah, he does all these. free of violence

00:45:22.219 --> 00:45:26.800
and then somebody gets a hopes up so I'm just

00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:30.059
gonna leave it as that at the moment but I attended

00:45:30.059 --> 00:45:35.920
one of those events even though it made me miss

00:45:35.920 --> 00:45:39.699
karate but I was like I need to get myself out

00:45:39.699 --> 00:45:42.199
of this funk and if I don't get myself out of

00:45:42.199 --> 00:45:44.750
this funk I'm going to keep doing the same thing

00:45:44.750 --> 00:45:48.650
over and over and over again. And I hate being

00:45:48.650 --> 00:45:50.909
on that hamster wheel that just keeps going on

00:45:50.909 --> 00:45:55.210
and on. And so finally, when I attended his event,

00:45:55.349 --> 00:45:58.409
everything that I was feeling right then and

00:45:58.409 --> 00:46:05.989
there, his event was about just like how to get

00:46:05.989 --> 00:46:11.690
more leads as a keynote speaker. And I was like,

00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:16.440
I want to do this for my career. I got to do

00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.599
this for myself. And it's like, I will always

00:46:18.599 --> 00:46:21.059
have more opportunities to go to karate. But

00:46:21.059 --> 00:46:25.380
to attend this kind of event, and it was given

00:46:25.380 --> 00:46:27.880
for free. And it's like, there's not many people

00:46:27.880 --> 00:46:30.119
who do that for free. There's always a free,

00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:33.579
but. And we'll try to sell you six million things

00:46:33.579 --> 00:46:39.369
at that event, too. Meeting him in person last

00:46:39.369 --> 00:46:43.050
year and staying in touch with him, he literally

00:46:43.050 --> 00:46:48.809
is the real deal. He's like Tony Robbins. He

00:46:48.809 --> 00:46:53.449
sells out. I mean, he's booked all over the place.

00:46:54.849 --> 00:46:57.210
Trying to get in touch with him sometimes to

00:46:57.210 --> 00:47:03.510
collaborate with is like pulling teeth sometimes.

00:47:03.829 --> 00:47:07.480
It's like, gosh, you're a busy person. One day

00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:08.900
you're going to be in my shoes. And it's like,

00:47:09.019 --> 00:47:13.780
I hope so, Dan. I really hope so. But his webinar

00:47:13.780 --> 00:47:17.380
kind of just got me out of the funk. And it wasn't

00:47:17.380 --> 00:47:20.059
like I wasn't trying any of the stuff that I

00:47:20.059 --> 00:47:24.099
learned from my therapist. I keep exercising

00:47:24.099 --> 00:47:30.719
six days a week. That kind of helped. But it

00:47:30.719 --> 00:47:34.000
was like just kind of masking everything. And

00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:42.630
then it was basically, And I was feeling down

00:47:42.630 --> 00:47:47.929
because I'm still kind of recovering from the

00:47:47.929 --> 00:47:52.570
pandemic and now inflation with my business.

00:47:52.710 --> 00:47:56.449
So it's like, okay, I'm feeling down about this.

00:47:56.510 --> 00:47:58.630
How can I get... And so I was trying to implement

00:47:58.630 --> 00:48:01.630
new things for the business and implement this

00:48:01.630 --> 00:48:06.929
and implement strategies to... pay myself back

00:48:06.929 --> 00:48:09.949
for all the business expenses over the years

00:48:09.949 --> 00:48:13.269
so I was like okay let's make this plan let's

00:48:13.269 --> 00:48:17.050
do this set some monetization goals in my budget

00:48:17.050 --> 00:48:21.949
app and but the webinar really helped me because

00:48:21.949 --> 00:48:27.789
it's like knowing him I think it I don't see

00:48:27.789 --> 00:48:30.449
why it wouldn't work I mean it's like I wouldn't

00:48:30.449 --> 00:48:33.630
say it's bulletproof but Oh, this got me out

00:48:33.630 --> 00:48:37.110
of this. Gosh darn funk. Me and funk just do

00:48:37.110 --> 00:48:40.570
not get together. Yeah. Well, and it's hard.

00:48:40.690 --> 00:48:42.570
I mean, it sounds like you were kind of stuck

00:48:42.570 --> 00:48:44.469
in your routine and there wasn't anything really

00:48:44.469 --> 00:48:46.230
shaking anything up. And sometimes you have to

00:48:46.230 --> 00:48:48.550
just make that intentional choice to do something

00:48:48.550 --> 00:48:51.670
out of the ordinary. Just your brain craves new

00:48:51.670 --> 00:48:55.670
things. We all get kind of sucked into the hamster

00:48:55.670 --> 00:48:57.809
wheel of, you know, working the nine to five

00:48:57.809 --> 00:48:59.829
and then sitting in traffic if you're, you know,

00:48:59.829 --> 00:49:01.329
unfortunate enough to have to still go to the

00:49:01.329 --> 00:49:03.429
office. You know, you get home, it's kind of

00:49:03.429 --> 00:49:05.289
the same dinner, like same routine over and over

00:49:05.289 --> 00:49:08.530
again. Life can get kind of boring and kind of

00:49:08.530 --> 00:49:11.550
drag you down. So it was a good plan to see an

00:49:11.550 --> 00:49:13.849
opportunity of what can I do different? How can

00:49:13.849 --> 00:49:16.849
I disrupt this pattern and just try something

00:49:16.849 --> 00:49:19.250
different? And that's honestly a lot of what

00:49:19.250 --> 00:49:22.599
I do. with the various tools I have is I'll be

00:49:22.599 --> 00:49:24.300
doing my routine, but I have other things that

00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:26.159
I don't do as much. And so I can decide, Oh,

00:49:26.179 --> 00:49:27.880
maybe I'll throw that at it. Maybe I'll go run

00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:29.579
on a mountain today instead of, you know, going

00:49:29.579 --> 00:49:31.639
to the gym or whatever. And just like having

00:49:31.639 --> 00:49:33.380
that new experience is something to just kind

00:49:33.380 --> 00:49:35.480
of light your brain up in a different way and,

00:49:35.500 --> 00:49:37.860
and kind of shift your perspective on the opportunities

00:49:37.860 --> 00:49:41.440
you have in your life. Yeah. And, and also I

00:49:41.440 --> 00:49:45.420
look at a funk, like a good funk as a good thing,

00:49:45.480 --> 00:49:49.019
a really, really good thing, because if you're

00:49:49.019 --> 00:49:52.590
having one, For me anyway, I lean into it and

00:49:52.590 --> 00:49:55.570
I feel it and I really lock in that feeling of

00:49:55.570 --> 00:49:58.030
what it's like to be in that funk because that

00:49:58.030 --> 00:50:01.809
reminds you later on of all the things that you're

00:50:01.809 --> 00:50:03.429
doing. So if you don't want to go to the gym

00:50:03.429 --> 00:50:04.789
or you don't want to go talk to your therapist,

00:50:04.809 --> 00:50:06.130
you don't want to go do this or you don't want

00:50:06.130 --> 00:50:09.250
to go do that, you just remember that I do these

00:50:09.250 --> 00:50:12.369
things consistently to prevent from being in

00:50:12.369 --> 00:50:15.409
that place. But it's inevitable. We're all going

00:50:15.409 --> 00:50:17.329
to have ups and downs and ups and downs, and

00:50:17.329 --> 00:50:18.809
you're going to hit that funk at some point.

00:50:18.929 --> 00:50:21.750
But when you do, get everything you can out of

00:50:21.750 --> 00:50:24.210
it. Feel it. Really, really remember what it

00:50:24.210 --> 00:50:26.849
is that you're feeling and why you do all the

00:50:26.849 --> 00:50:29.610
things to stay out of the funk. It's inevitable,

00:50:29.750 --> 00:50:34.050
so why not use it for a positive? Squeak juice

00:50:34.050 --> 00:50:36.469
out of that as you possibly can. And even if

00:50:36.469 --> 00:50:39.429
you don't suffer from clinical depression, but

00:50:39.429 --> 00:50:43.199
people still just get depressed. normal human

00:50:43.199 --> 00:50:48.300
emotion. There's this great video I've seen a

00:50:48.300 --> 00:50:50.400
million times of Jim Carrey talking about depression

00:50:50.400 --> 00:50:53.400
and how he talks about the word depressed and

00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:55.619
how if you break it down, it's deep rest, like

00:50:55.619 --> 00:50:58.760
your body's requiring deep rest. You get sort

00:50:58.760 --> 00:51:00.500
of tired of playing the character you play in

00:51:00.500 --> 00:51:02.739
your life all the time and wearing all the masks

00:51:02.739 --> 00:51:05.000
you have to wear, whether it's as a podcast host

00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:07.800
or author or speaker or mom or dad or husband,

00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:11.010
whatever character you have to play. you get

00:51:11.010 --> 00:51:12.829
tired of playing that character. And so your

00:51:12.829 --> 00:51:15.050
body just kind of goes, we just need a break.

00:51:15.650 --> 00:51:18.150
And that break can be that rest or that break

00:51:18.150 --> 00:51:20.030
can be a break from this routine and shaking

00:51:20.030 --> 00:51:22.079
it up and doing something different. But again,

00:51:22.500 --> 00:51:25.039
it's just very normal. And whatever you can do,

00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:27.420
like Zach said, soak it up, learn from it, feel

00:51:27.420 --> 00:51:29.179
it so that when you don't feel it, you appreciate

00:51:29.179 --> 00:51:32.219
not feeling it even more or just give yourself

00:51:32.219 --> 00:51:34.699
the time to. I mean, honestly, that was that

00:51:34.699 --> 00:51:36.880
was what I often needed. It's I always kind of

00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:38.860
saw it as like a flu. You know, when I would

00:51:38.860 --> 00:51:41.079
get the flu, do I feel bad about myself because

00:51:41.079 --> 00:51:43.400
I got the flu? No, I got sick. What do I need

00:51:43.400 --> 00:51:46.019
to do to get better? I need to rest. So you rest.

00:51:46.340 --> 00:51:49.059
The wave passes. It goes away. You come back

00:51:49.059 --> 00:51:51.739
and appreciate the ability to get out of bed

00:51:51.739 --> 00:51:54.039
and function and live a normal life in a healthy

00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:56.679
way. So just, you know, there's a lot of lessons

00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:58.940
to learn from it, right? It's like Brian Holiday's

00:51:58.940 --> 00:52:01.119
book, The Obstacle is the Way. That's just one

00:52:01.119 --> 00:52:03.239
of those obstacles that life is trying to show

00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:04.639
you. This is something you have to get through

00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:08.480
to overcome to be even better tomorrow. I like

00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:11.199
what you said, especially because during that

00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:16.199
funk. The few things I took away from it was

00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:24.880
that I did some marketing tasks seven days a

00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:28.480
week or five days a week that didn't really need

00:52:28.480 --> 00:52:34.539
to be done. many times a week. And I was like,

00:52:34.579 --> 00:52:38.179
realistically, why is this still set five days

00:52:38.179 --> 00:52:42.420
a week? I was like, that's pretty stupid. And

00:52:42.420 --> 00:52:47.699
so basically, I let myself have that whole day

00:52:47.699 --> 00:52:52.219
just to do absolutely nothing. Except for I did

00:52:52.219 --> 00:52:55.400
promise one of my colleagues who had written

00:52:55.400 --> 00:52:58.840
a new book in a series. I had him on just to,

00:52:58.940 --> 00:53:02.159
he was like, but I spent pretty much all morning,

00:53:02.280 --> 00:53:05.320
mid -afternoon doing nothing. And I was like,

00:53:05.380 --> 00:53:08.500
if this is the only thing I do today, I'm going

00:53:08.500 --> 00:53:12.099
to enjoy the interview with him. To be honest.

00:53:13.059 --> 00:53:15.780
I'll admit this on the show. I didn't shout during

00:53:15.780 --> 00:53:17.539
that day, but I was like, no, you can't smell

00:53:17.539 --> 00:53:21.239
me through my computer. But I wore my hat. It's

00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:25.019
not like I, but it didn't look like I was sloppy

00:53:25.019 --> 00:53:29.420
or anything. It just, I had clean workout clothes

00:53:29.420 --> 00:53:33.239
on. It wasn't like, oh, I had stains everywhere

00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:36.780
or whatnot. It's like, no, it just, it just like

00:53:36.780 --> 00:53:38.989
my brain would just. Overwhelmed. I couldn't

00:53:38.989 --> 00:53:41.949
stand anything. I was like, I kind of just wanted

00:53:41.949 --> 00:53:46.610
to flip off everybody. I mean, not that I did

00:53:46.610 --> 00:53:53.329
that. It's like Tony Horton says, do your best

00:53:53.329 --> 00:53:55.369
and forget the rest. That day, that was your

00:53:55.369 --> 00:53:58.170
best. You showed up the best you could. Celebrate

00:53:58.170 --> 00:54:02.039
that, man. We can't all be perfect. We can't

00:54:02.039 --> 00:54:06.820
all function at an optimized 100 % success level

00:54:06.820 --> 00:54:09.199
all the time. In fact, I think it's probably

00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:12.159
pretty rare. So just striving for what's the

00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:14.420
best I can bring today and just do your best

00:54:14.420 --> 00:54:16.260
to hit that. And you'll probably still fall short,

00:54:16.380 --> 00:54:18.320
but it's better to have that thing to shoot for

00:54:18.320 --> 00:54:21.980
and fall short than to just sit it out. Yeah,

00:54:22.039 --> 00:54:24.659
just to put numbers on it too. Like if all you

00:54:24.659 --> 00:54:28.079
have in your tank is 50 % and you give it that

00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:31.079
50%, You've given it 100 % of what you have.

00:54:31.460 --> 00:54:34.460
And that's it. And be okay with that. Be happy

00:54:34.460 --> 00:54:38.059
with it. Some days I only have 2 % to give. And

00:54:38.059 --> 00:54:41.139
more to your point, my other key takeaways was

00:54:41.139 --> 00:54:46.780
of that day, I revamped some of my schedule again.

00:54:47.019 --> 00:54:50.480
And it was like my fourth schedule revamp in

00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:53.059
the seven years I've been in business. So I was

00:54:53.059 --> 00:54:55.900
like, okay. It's not like I do it every other

00:54:55.900 --> 00:55:00.960
week. I just, it's like, I changed it. Out of

00:55:00.960 --> 00:55:03.639
the whole month, there's probably like four days

00:55:03.639 --> 00:55:07.000
of the month that is like very hectic, but it's

00:55:07.000 --> 00:55:10.199
like four out of the 30 days, I'll take it. Screw

00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:14.159
it. I'm willing to take those numbers, but if

00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:19.400
I have to do it. And some of these tests weren't

00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:21.860
that bad, but just my brain was just making it

00:55:21.860 --> 00:55:23.860
harder than it really needs to be. And it's like,

00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:26.059
oh, come on. It's just a copy and paste. And

00:55:26.059 --> 00:55:29.119
my brain's like, no, no, no. And it's like, oh,

00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.179
shut up, brain. What do you know? And the other

00:55:32.179 --> 00:55:35.360
day, they gave me the most dumbest idea ever.

00:55:35.380 --> 00:55:41.800
And I'm like, yeah, so much for you. So my last

00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:45.429
few questions for you are, Who's your favorite

00:55:45.429 --> 00:55:48.230
podcaster and why? And feel free not to say me.

00:55:49.510 --> 00:55:53.949
Favorite podcaster. I think the one I go back

00:55:53.949 --> 00:55:56.730
to probably most often is Mark Maron. I really

00:55:56.730 --> 00:55:58.869
like his vulnerability, his openness about his

00:55:58.869 --> 00:56:01.489
own struggles. And I think he's a great interviewer.

00:56:01.929 --> 00:56:04.710
So yeah, I really, I've been a big fan of WTF

00:56:04.710 --> 00:56:07.349
for a long time. So Mark Maron's probably my

00:56:07.349 --> 00:56:12.449
go -to. Boy, that's a really, really tough question.

00:56:12.809 --> 00:56:15.929
I mean, there's hundreds. There are so many.

00:56:16.550 --> 00:56:18.170
While you're thinking, I'll throw one more name

00:56:18.170 --> 00:56:23.030
out. Neil Brennan's podcast, Blockers. Fantastic.

00:56:23.329 --> 00:56:26.829
He talks to the celebrities we wish we were talking

00:56:26.829 --> 00:56:28.630
to about their mental health struggles and the

00:56:28.630 --> 00:56:30.210
things they go through. So check out Neil Brennan's

00:56:30.210 --> 00:56:36.590
podcast. Jeez. I'm just looking through the list

00:56:36.590 --> 00:56:39.420
right now. I mean, there's... Um, you know what?

00:56:39.420 --> 00:56:42.159
I actually do have, I do have a favorite that

00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:44.599
I know he's not really recording too many anymore,

00:56:44.739 --> 00:56:48.219
but, um, so I work, you know, I work in a company

00:56:48.219 --> 00:56:51.260
and I, in senior leadership. So like leadership

00:56:51.260 --> 00:56:53.800
is a big thing for me. I love leadership. And

00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:57.639
there's a guy named Jeff Atkin who does a leadership

00:56:57.639 --> 00:57:01.079
podcast, but based on episodes of Star Trek.

00:57:01.159 --> 00:57:04.460
So he like watches an episode of Star Trek and

00:57:04.460 --> 00:57:06.440
there's a leadership principle in there. And

00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:09.820
he, he, picks apart the episode and teaches you

00:57:09.820 --> 00:57:12.039
the leadership principle by, by the episode.

00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:17.159
That one is amazing. Um, and say Sean T's podcast

00:57:17.159 --> 00:57:20.980
is always a good one. Um, Mark Maron, love that.

00:57:21.139 --> 00:57:25.219
Um, the anxiety chicks love those girls. Um,

00:57:25.500 --> 00:57:28.940
and to be quite honest, I, I don't have time

00:57:28.940 --> 00:57:32.739
for the long Joe Rogan episodes. And I know Joe

00:57:32.739 --> 00:57:36.420
Rogan is a love him or hate him kind of guy.

00:57:37.480 --> 00:57:39.719
But at the very least, he is very curious about

00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:42.280
all the topics, right? And I do love that aspect

00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:44.980
about him, even though he has a very strong opinion

00:57:44.980 --> 00:57:47.800
on a lot of those topics. He is curious about

00:57:47.800 --> 00:57:51.420
them. And I love that ability that he has to

00:57:51.420 --> 00:57:54.719
kind of hit so many different topics on his show.

00:57:55.760 --> 00:58:00.340
For me, I like Lewis Howell's The School of Greatness.

00:58:01.519 --> 00:58:08.760
I also like to listen to, I like a lot of self

00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:13.219
-improvement, leadership kind of stuff. I like

00:58:13.219 --> 00:58:17.980
a lot of fitness, nutrition as well. I pretty

00:58:17.980 --> 00:58:21.420
much subscribe to like 100 plus podcasts. I mean,

00:58:21.500 --> 00:58:24.059
obviously I don't listen to every single episode

00:58:24.059 --> 00:58:26.840
because not every single thing applies to me

00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:32.019
or that intrigues me. One of them happens to

00:58:32.019 --> 00:58:33.940
be a marketing podcast, and it's like, oh, how

00:58:33.940 --> 00:58:38.340
do you get more leads with your ads? And it's

00:58:38.340 --> 00:58:42.179
like, I don't use ads. I mean, it's like I have

00:58:42.179 --> 00:58:47.159
ads on my website, but it's not ads for marketing

00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:50.840
ads on sponsored posts on Facebook and Instagram.

00:58:51.380 --> 00:58:53.980
So I was like, okay, it doesn't apply to me,

00:58:54.119 --> 00:58:58.340
not listening. But I have a couple of... 100

00:58:58.340 --> 00:59:00.460
different podcasts to listen to, so if something

00:59:00.460 --> 00:59:04.300
intrigues me, I come across it versus, which

00:59:04.300 --> 00:59:07.360
two do I listen to today? Eeny, meeny, miny,

00:59:07.380 --> 00:59:13.579
moe, and Slim Pickings. That's like me, if I

00:59:13.579 --> 00:59:17.599
don't have a book, I'm like, I miss reading.

00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:21.219
What am I going to read next? I don't have any

00:59:21.219 --> 00:59:26.599
recommendations. They're dim. My next question

00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:29.699
for you is where can people follow you, find

00:59:29.699 --> 00:59:31.420
you, learn more about who you are and what you

00:59:31.420 --> 00:59:34.760
do? The simplest place is our website. It's thefitmess

00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:37.860
.com, and we're on all the social media channels

00:59:37.860 --> 00:59:40.880
at Fit Mess Guys. So check us out at either of

00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:44.300
those places and check out the show. I'm definitely

00:59:44.300 --> 00:59:47.340
going to subscribe, and maybe one day I could

00:59:47.340 --> 00:59:54.079
be on your show too. Intent. Yeah, we'll talk

00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:58.059
about that. Well, I look forward to staying in

00:59:58.059 --> 01:00:01.500
touch with you guys. And I would love to have

01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:04.800
you back on the show again in the future because

01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:09.400
it was awesome meeting you guys. And I hope you

01:00:09.400 --> 01:00:12.239
keep up the good work. And I'm going to subscribe

01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.280
to your podcast because I'm very interested to

01:00:15.280 --> 01:00:18.139
learn more about who you are. Awesome. Thanks

01:00:18.139 --> 01:00:19.519
so much for the opportunity. We appreciate it.

01:00:19.639 --> 01:00:21.960
Yeah, thanks for having us. Have a good rest

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