What It’s Like Living With Autism: A Day in the Life With Kerry Magro

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Living Podcast. Today my guest is Kerry Magro,

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who is also autistic and he is a motivational

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Kerry, to Crazy Fitness Guy's Healthy Living

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Podcast. Well, it's an honor to be here speaking

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with you, Jimmy, and to your viewers, and really

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excited to be here and to talk. a little bit

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about whatever you want to talk about, honestly.

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So what made you want to get into a motivational

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speaker? How did you start your whole career?

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So I went to school at Seton Hall and growing

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up with autism, I had extreme key interests.

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I wanted to be the next Larry Bird and I wanted

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to be the sixth member of the Backstreet Boys.

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So I went to Seton Hall for sport management.

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to pursue a career in the business world. And

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as soon as I graduated, I realized that I had

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a time and an opportunity to become an autism

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advocate. And I received a scholarship from a

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group called the National Speakers Association

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to pursue a career in public speaking. So I received

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that about 10 years ago. It allowed me to pay

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for some of my master's in strategic communications.

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Here we are today. I've been speaking for just

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about 10 years now and three years full time.

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that, man. Not so much, though. Thank you, though.

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I mean it all and sincere and everything. So

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do you feel like you ever get nervous as speaking

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after 900 plus events? You know, it truly depends

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on what topic that I'm speaking on. I mean, I've

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spoken mostly about the transition to adulthood

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for those with autism, relationships for those

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on the autism spectrum. bullying because bullying

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is such a big deal in our school systems. So,

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I mean, when I know I'm going into a situation

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where I'm represented at so many different events

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about the same thing, usually I'm good. It's

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those curveballs. It's those presentations where

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you're asked to speak in front of, like, five

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-year -olds about autism, which can be very intimidating,

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but I've gotten used to it over the years now.

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Just out of curiosity, so I was wondering, what

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do you struggle on as an autistic person? I still

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deal with some sensory challenges, not so much.

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Since I was a kid, I deal with like some difficulties

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with loud noises, some difficulties with unexpected

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touch. So like, for example, when a girl comes

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up from behind, who's a friend of mine, comes

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up and says, guess who? That like bothers me

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to no end. It's those sensory sensations I can't

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expect. And I also have some challenges sometimes

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with friendships. relationships as well. Well,

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I know how you mean by century issues because

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I know I can listen to like pretty like, I wouldn't

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say like shouting music, but I can listen to

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like, I don't know, I can rock out the ACDC on

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a high volume, and I can listen to like warm

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scenes in movies and everything. But when people

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start yelling around me, I'm like, I can't take

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it. As something about yelling, I can't stand.

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Yeah, I definitely feel you there. Yeah. And

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once I started speaking, you couldn't give me

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a stop speaking. I was just like a chair box.

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But sensory challenges were definitely a big

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challenge for me. You mentioned bullying. Have

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you been bullied before? Yeah, when I was a kid,

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it was very extreme. I mean, growing up being...

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get back to the show. Considering the quote -unquote

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shy kid, quote -unquote kid who was not normal

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compared to his peers, you know, it made it really,

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really tough. Bullying was something that I dealt

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with for most of grammar school, most of middle

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school, a little bit in high school. But today

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I'd say it's one of the biggest epidemics that

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are currently impacting. your school systems

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today. Yeah I can relate with you on that because

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I got bullied as well when I was growing up and

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I had a I have a slightly bigger head for my

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body so I don't know if you have have you ever

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heard of the Nickelodeon show called Jimmy Neutron?

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Yes. The science kid, yeah. Yeah, the guy with

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the big head and the hair. I have no idea what

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the hair was going on with, but they called me

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Jimmy Neutron. I took offense at that name, but

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perhaps looking back at it, I probably should

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have taken it as a compliment because he was

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really, really smart. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I

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mean, some of the most brilliant people I know

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are on the odds with Tim Spector. And I do a

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giant knife also, so I can relate. Bullies are

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just evil. I think if I ever had a kid and if

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I found out he was ever bullying, I think he

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would probably be grounded for a whole year.

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Just because I wouldn't want... It's kind of

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like the saying, treat people how you want to

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be treated. Ain't that the truth. Ain't that

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the truth. So tell me a little bit about your

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books. Sure. So I started writing in early 2010.

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And I knew I wanted to write a book just because

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I mentor individuals with autism and special

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needs. And it really, at one point, I realized

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that I wanted to do something from, you know,

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I'm self -advocate. I wanted to do something

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from a first -person perspective to help educate

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others on autism. So I wrote a book called Defining

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Autism from the Heart, which was my first book.

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It was a book focused on self -advocacy for those

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with autism. I assumed it would sell maybe like

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50 copies. And within three days, It became an

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Amazon bestseller for special need parenting.

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So it gave me a platform to continue writing

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books. I wrote a book a year later called Autism

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and Falling in Love, which focuses on how people

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with autism can go about getting into relationships

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for the first time. And by the way, these aren't

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here. These are simply holding up my life. laptop,

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but considering you asked, I figured I'd show

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you them. And then the final book is actually

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behind me right here, I Will Light Up Blue, which

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is a children's book about twins on the autism

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spectrum to educate kids about those who are

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on the autism spectrum. That's cool. They're

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all available on Amazon. Are there e -books as

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well? Yes. All three of them are also available

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on Kindle version. So anyone can check them out

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on Amazon, Barnes & Noble. Most major distributors

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sell them currently today. I figured I had to

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ask because I know some authors out there, well,

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not personally, but I've seen some authors who

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don't even offer a Kindle version. It's like,

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what the heck? Absolutely, absolutely. Well,

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I just hope I continue to get the opportunities

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to write in the future. Well, I haven't really,

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I really haven't really spoiled my audience for

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this, but I had some... I admit I had some notes

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just lying around about book ideas and I've been

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contemplating and I've only been saying that.

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I haven't written much of anything. I mean, I

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have written stuff on my website, but that doesn't

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really count. There's always a cutoff limit,

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but there's never, but I have notes laying around

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and everything. Just virtual notes. And I'm thinking

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hoping one day I can make my own book. That's

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awesome. Yeah. It was a dream of mine. I know

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it's a dream for many in our community such as

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yourself. So just keep at it. Keep writing. That's

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the most important thing. Just write every day

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if you can. Because it gets you that routine.

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It gets you that patience to just put your thoughts

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down on paper. It really helps. I also noticed

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that just by writing every single day, it has

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helped me with my English classes in college.

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Well, right now I'm still in college. Have you

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ever heard of Montgomery County Community College?

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It sounds a little bit familiar. Are you in Pennsylvania?

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Oh, Pennsylvania. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, no,

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I'm not too far away from you. I'm in Hoboken,

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New Jersey. But you should check out our scholarship

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program. For people who are watching this, I

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have a 501c3 where we've given out 86 scholarships

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for students with autism to go to college in

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the past eight years. So we give it out every

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spring to high school students who are graduating

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and going to college in the fall and also current

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college students who are going to college in

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the fall. who all have autism. So you should

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definitely check it out at kfmmakingadifference

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.org. Well, definitely do. What kind of advice

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would you give somebody who's getting bullied

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on either they're autistic or not autistic? I

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think the biggest thing is to realize it's not

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you. So many people, when I was bullied as a

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kid, would really just be ignorant. They wouldn't

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understand why I did some of the things I did,

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why I wasn't talking, why I had different stems

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and sensory challenges. So the most important

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thing is to realize that people who bully simply

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do it because there's an imbalance of power.

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They simply want to have power over somebody

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else. So if you take away that power from them

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by not responding, by simply just going along,

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if somebody says, I hate your face, you can say

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simply, oh, yeah, I don't like my face that much

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either. It takes away the power from the bullies.

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And it's something that I continue to. Constantly

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tell kids and adults, I mean, just take away

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the power from the bully because truly bullying

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is just an imbalance of power. Wow. Yeah, it's

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funny. When you're saying the word power, it

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kind of sounds like politicians. Oh, God. Yeah.

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Maybe one day I'll get into politics, but right

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now, not so much. I would vote for you. Oh, thank

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you, sir. I appreciate that. So I saw some of

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your videos on your Facebook page, and what do

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you talk about on your Facebook page? I see that

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you post a lot of videos. Sure. So my Facebook

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page is Carrie's Autism Journey. where one of

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the things I do on that page is I have a video

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series called Special Community, where we interview

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people impacted by a diagnosis. So autism, ADD,

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ADHD, people who are also impacted by these different

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diseases. And, you know, we interview them for

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a few minutes and just give them a platform to

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spotlight their stories in the hopes of celebrating

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neurodiverse today. So we've highlighted about

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130 individuals on our Facebook page, and it's

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just been really great to see the responses,

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to see all the positive responses that have been

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coming along. I also have a supporter group on

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my Facebook page, Carrie's Autism Journey, called

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Carrie's Autism Village, where I post exclusive

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content, not available to the public, where I

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go in -depth about different... things such as

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what helped me growing up with autism, even talking

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about things like toilet training, picky eating,

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bullying, and I give all my virtual presentations

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to my supporters who are part of Carrie's Autism

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Knowledge on my Facebook page, Carrie's Autism

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Journey. Geez, that's a lot. Don't you ever get

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tired of it? No, I mean, you know, it's just

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great to see all the impact that highlighting

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neurodiversity has on people and because it's

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often not talked about in their mainstream media.

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It's so true. I don't think, I definitely don't

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see it in the media much at, well, pretty much

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not at all. It is all the stabbing and shooting

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around Philadelphia. Yeah, it's crazy. There

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was a 13 -year -old boy who was shot by police

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who had autism. Even in New Jersey, there was

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a bullying situation of a young boy whose pants

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were taken down. I don't know if you saw this

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story. There was a boy who was in a public park

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in Fairlawn, New Jersey, and as a prank, somebody

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videotaped this boy on TikTok. literally taking

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his pants down. And it was just so horrible.

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Now the four people who actually did it to the

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boy with autism are being charged with criminal,

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I think federal prosecution. So we'll see what

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happens there. Jeez, this is wrong. I can't stand

00:19:32.049 --> 00:19:36.069
people who did all that kind of stuff. And the

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social media companies, they should really ban

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that kind of crap on their platform. I agree.

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Hopefully soon. Maybe they'll listen to us on

00:19:50.029 --> 00:19:59.240
this podcast. You never know. There are so many

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notes. Now let's get back to the show. So, do

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you think there still needs to be more stuff?

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that needs to be addressed for people on the

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autism spectrum? Yeah, I mean, adult issues are

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really important. The popular image of autism

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still seems to be focused on children. But once

00:21:06.930 --> 00:21:09.950
kids age out of school, a lot of their services

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go away. And we still need to do a better job

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of establishing policies in place in our local

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and our... federal levels that actually focus

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on supporting people with disabilities who are

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adults. So I talk a little bit about this on

00:21:27.529 --> 00:21:30.670
my supporter group, Carey's Autism Village. I

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would love for you to actually, if you'd be willing

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to potentially become a member of Carey's Autism

00:21:36.809 --> 00:21:40.230
Village as well, because I think it's really

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important to continue to have these conversations

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because autism is a lifelong diagnosis. Yeah,

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so I'll definitely, I would like to join the

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village community. Both, it means the same thing.

00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:04.839
Village, I don't know, my brain just, I had a

00:22:04.839 --> 00:22:09.059
long day. I hear, I have, I hear those myself.

00:22:11.539 --> 00:22:18.480
Yeah, yeah, I, what do you think? I definitely

00:22:18.480 --> 00:22:22.480
agree with you on the part about I feel like

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the autism is basically they're kind of just

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talking like to like the kids growing up with

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it and not just what happens after high school

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like for me after high school I took three years

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off because I didn't like school in general and

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I did these different odd jobs for my parents.

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And then I also did a few other jobs in between,

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like working at Tony Luke's. But then I didn't

00:23:02.339 --> 00:23:06.839
like that either. And I just didn't want to just

00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:10.480
go the job route because it's like, gee, it seems

00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:13.359
like every job that I would like has to have

00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:17.539
some kind of degree. And I didn't know what I

00:23:17.539 --> 00:23:19.480
wanted to get into. I only jumped around four

00:23:19.480 --> 00:23:25.619
different majors. And so, you know, I agree that

00:23:25.619 --> 00:23:28.579
they need to talk about, like, what happens at

00:23:28.579 --> 00:23:33.579
the high school? And after, what colleges can

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people get into? I also think that they need

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to talk about, like, I think the accommodations

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in college could be Could be better. We definitely

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need to have a larger conversation about reasonable

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accommodations as well, because I feel like a

00:23:53.230 --> 00:23:56.049
lot of times college students don't realize services

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that they can get if they actually go to their

00:24:00.210 --> 00:24:04.210
disability support services and file for services.

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I think it's really important to have an education

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about that in high school specifically, so once

00:24:09.930 --> 00:24:12.730
they get to college, they know what is potentially

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available for them. Yeah, they definitely did

00:24:15.829 --> 00:24:20.109
not go over there in my high school. They just

00:24:20.109 --> 00:24:21.890
kind of was like, well, you can stay in actually

00:24:21.890 --> 00:24:26.349
a few years. So you're saying I can stay in hell

00:24:26.349 --> 00:24:34.910
longer? I'm not saying it's all bad, but I didn't

00:24:34.910 --> 00:24:36.589
like public, I didn't like going to my public

00:24:36.589 --> 00:24:41.950
school. Yeah, no, absolutely. So, just out of

00:24:41.950 --> 00:24:44.180
curiosity, how old are you today? If you're in

00:24:44.180 --> 00:24:49.079
college, how old? Well, I must be an old fart

00:24:49.079 --> 00:24:53.059
in college at 26. Oh, that's not old. Trust me.

00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:57.680
32 is old. That is old. You're not old at all.

00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:12.319
I'm old. No worries. Yeah, so I think I think

00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:15.200
I think after this podcast episode, I think we

00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:21.519
should have you back on again, so then we can

00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:27.259
talk a whole boatload of autism. No, I would

00:25:27.259 --> 00:25:30.119
definitely consider that for the future. How

00:25:30.119 --> 00:25:35.960
many people have you interviewed? I think you

00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:42.450
might be the... like eight, maybe nine, ten,

00:25:42.549 --> 00:25:52.309
I lost count. I've, yeah, but out of all of them,

00:25:52.410 --> 00:26:00.849
like, you're, like, high up on, I mean, like,

00:26:01.069 --> 00:26:05.490
you're, like, I don't know, you're, I don't know

00:26:05.490 --> 00:26:10.390
how to explain this. You're basically, Like I

00:26:10.390 --> 00:26:13.630
said, you're basically the celebrity in the autistic

00:26:13.630 --> 00:26:17.289
community. Not at all. Not at all. Trust me.

00:26:17.309 --> 00:26:20.890
Trust me on that. But great. Awesome. Well, I

00:26:20.890 --> 00:26:24.009
thank you so much for having me as part of your

00:26:24.009 --> 00:26:28.650
show. And I know we're going to talk in the future

00:26:28.650 --> 00:26:30.789
about what we can do to help you as a motivational

00:26:30.789 --> 00:26:34.049
speaker as well. And we'll do that offline while

00:26:34.049 --> 00:26:36.920
we're not recording. But I'm really excited to

00:26:36.920 --> 00:26:39.299
meet you, sir, and to see that you're doing a

00:26:39.299 --> 00:26:41.480
podcast and you're trying to spread some education

00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.359
in your own right as well. Just out of curiosity,

00:26:45.700 --> 00:26:49.440
where can people follow you? And you can send

00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:51.400
me all the links, too, so I can put them in the

00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:55.819
show notes. Absolutely. So people who are watching,

00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:58.180
you can follow me on my website at kerrymagram

00:26:58.180 --> 00:27:01.880
.com. I blog there pretty regularly about my

00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:04.299
journey from non -criminal autism to being a

00:27:04.299 --> 00:27:06.680
professional speaker. You can also follow me

00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:08.779
on my Facebook page, Kerry's Autism Journey,

00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:13.339
Twitter, Instagram, Kerry Magro, in addition

00:27:13.339 --> 00:27:17.240
to checking out my books on Amazon, and my supporter

00:27:17.240 --> 00:27:20.480
group, Kerry's Autism Village, on my Facebook

00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:25.789
page, Kerry's Autism Journey. Jeez. Did we really

00:27:25.789 --> 00:27:30.250
have to end this episode? I really, I'm talking

00:27:30.250 --> 00:27:35.470
to, like I said, I think he's literally the celebrity

00:27:35.470 --> 00:27:40.970
of, he's, again, he's like, I think he's one

00:27:40.970 --> 00:27:46.990
of my top guests on this podcast, and there's

00:27:46.990 --> 00:27:50.329
also the author, Luke Murphy, who's high up there

00:27:50.329 --> 00:27:57.170
as well, but. But he, both of you guys are, I

00:27:57.170 --> 00:28:00.170
mean, like a really big step up for this podcast.

00:28:00.809 --> 00:28:03.069
I mean, like my other guests, I mean, they're

00:28:03.069 --> 00:28:08.230
great too, but. Everyone's great. Just leave

00:28:08.230 --> 00:28:10.529
it at that. Everyone's great. Yeah. Everyone's

00:28:10.529 --> 00:28:14.990
great. Except for me. Great too. You're great

00:28:14.990 --> 00:28:18.829
too. Well, I hope we can have you back on in

00:28:18.829 --> 00:28:22.339
the future because. I definitely would like to

00:28:22.339 --> 00:28:27.079
have some repeats, especially. Absolutely. Well,

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