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Give me feedback. all appreciated. And let's

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just dive into this. So I have my friend here,

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Dina, who's an autism advocate. She was also

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on my podcast last year, one of the episodes

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we talked about bullying. Today, we're going

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to talk about the movie music that just came

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out and got as getting two nominations for the

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Golden Globes. And We both think that it's totally

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absurd because this movie has gotten a thousand

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bad reviews. I kid you not, just Google it and

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you'll see for yourself. So Dina, we both haven't

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seen the movie, but just by doing our research

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and everything, what are your thoughts about

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this horrific movie? Well, First of all, I think

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it's very old school what they're talking about.

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In today's world, people on the spectrum are

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treated more like human beings instead of like

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animals or people with mental illness. And so

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a long time ago, autism was... placed in the

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mental illness category. And so a lot of people

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were restrained and you're finding that a lot

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of people are getting sued for these things.

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That's the only fact. I know that I have anxiety

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disorders and, you know, so they used restraints

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on people with anxiety and you know, our friends

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didn't understand. And, you know, today we live

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in a, of course, we're still not there, but I

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feel that, you know, in some hospitals, like

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the state hospitals, there's a lot of lawsuits

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against restraining and to promote such a movie

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and related with autism. it's not so much absurd,

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but it's unkind. And there was a lot of bruises

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and it's sad because the trauma that was used.

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Here's a question. Here's another question for

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you. And if you don't feel comfortable answering

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it, have you ever been restrained before? Yes,

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I've been restrained before. I've been restrained

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before. You know, I was around college age. So

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I have proof. I was, you know, I'm at that age,

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you know, it's a very scary thing. Nobody was

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helping me and I felt lost because autism is

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very lonely disorder. I was diagnosed three or

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four times and then I had the first written test

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that was ever given. So that's why I can relate.

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You know, I have people who made a movie about

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me and they wanted to talk about a person who

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had a full life, who had a lot of friends growing

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up, who had a pretty decent life. And then when

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I started to age out of the system, I had some

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social problems in college and I was depressed.

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And I ended up in a hospital for 24 hours and

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they wouldn't let me use the bathroom. And then

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they grabbed me with both of my arms, put them

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behind my back and threw me to the floor. And

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that's why I can relate. I can relate to it too.

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Because back in. I believe it was elementary

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school. They put my arms behind my back as well.

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And I had marks on my arms, not permanent marks,

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but it was there for like a few hours or maybe

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a day at least. I kind of, at first I didn't.

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remember exactly everything but then when my

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mom told me about it uh it brought some back

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today to just create your own podcast. You have

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some pretty potent memories of PTSD and you're

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26 years old. 27. 27. I'm old. Yeah, I'm a dinosaur

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compared to you. With you, it was worse because

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they don't use those practices. Even in my day,

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and this was back in 88, so I just turned 21.

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And here, it was supposed to be one of the best

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years of my life. I guess, yeah, 88. So I had

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the test done. For my day, that's pretty early.

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So I was on the Asperger's spectrum. Autism spectrum

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was PDD. So I was lucky enough to have these

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diagnoses. But what led to my diagnosis, it was

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almost a blessing in disguise, was me being put

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in restraints. This was in a hospital. Nobody

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was helping me and it was a cry for help. I had

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first chance saw a roommate try to end her life.

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So out of curiosity. Did those restraints help

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you calm down at all? Or did it make you really

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ticked off? It made me, first of all, I had that

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flight or fight response with, it made me calm

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down, but it also made me say, oh, you know,

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good. I found a therapist, keep it in perspective.

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But like, I was just talking to you about it

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and it proves that I could trust you, but. what

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happens is I have so much PTSD going back to

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then. I'm glad we're talking about this because

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I saw a lot of people getting restrained because

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I started off in a special school and my mom

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really knew I could do better. She was like,

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you know, so they had this thing called the quiet

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room where they put people in restraints. It

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was a special school and I was a good student.

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Friends were, you know, they didn't, my mother

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thought, oh, it's going to be like a play group

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for her in a public school. Sure enough, it was

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hard work. And I really achieved, I moved out

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of special ed into learning support, but I started

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off in a special school where like, then I moved

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away from there into another special school.

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I got a follow -up question for you. So without

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having seen the movie Music, how does it make

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you feel that, in my opinion, the director...

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is saying it's okay to use restraint to calm

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people on the autism spectrum down. How does

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that make you feel? No, no, it's not. It's only

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going to make the person worse. I think behavior

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modification is the way to go or animal therapy

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or, you know, hey, how are you feeling right

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now? It's like you ask, you don't tell. What

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kind of behavior modifications would you recommend?

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In the hospital or? In school or? In school,

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it's a lot easier. Like in special schools, for

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example, a point system where you gain points,

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you know, get creative with it. Like a reward

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system? Yeah. Behavioral, yeah, reward system,

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positive and negative reinforcers. If you do

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something bad, you lose points and then, you

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know, for example, if you got all your points,

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which was 100 points, anywhere from 96 to 100,

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every day there was a sticker. And that led to

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big things such as participating in an auction.

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And that included doing all your work. And this

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and, you know, the whole idea is some people,

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you know, a challenging point system. Some schools

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didn't have the means to do all these things.

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you know for example ordering lunch out um in

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a day that was like kind of old school um now

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it's like computer time well my when i was growing

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up my parents gave me some kind of a reward system

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like uh for instance and my school did it too

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um if i uh i forget how they were set up, but

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after doing a certain amount of tasks that were

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good, et cetera, or homework tasks, et cetera,

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I get free time or something like that. I don't

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remember all the specifics because I was really

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young. I don't, or maybe I just kind of got that

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out of my memory because because it was around

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the time when my parents told them to stop. It's

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not a great idea to use restraint. And me, I

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just kind of got it out of my head and kind of

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just like, yeah, let's put that somewhere else.

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You know, it's interesting. I was never restrained

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in school. So the fact is, when I ended up...

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I was. I was never restrained in school because

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I was basically a good kid. I just like had learning

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disabilities, but I was the opposite of a good

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kid. Well, the thing is we had in the summit

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school that I went to where I had known my husband,

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actually, they had a point system and some people

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had separate points because their behavior was

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wrong. And I did see in a school before that,

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it was really bad. I moved to the summit school

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was based on a Montessori approach, except it

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was special needs. So they had your Montessori

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stuff, like your practical life, your washing

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dishes, your cooking. And all that fun stuff.

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But then they had your art class, which I liked.

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But I remember they had like, you know, two recesses

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for one, which was great. My school didn't have

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that. Hey, I cheated. I have a childhood. What?

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We had these two recesses. And, you know, unfortunately,

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they, you know, took away points for free time.

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for recess, which I really think that that's

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even wrong because kids need to run around. So

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the outside recess, unfortunately we're older

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now, but I think that's important. And then they're

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going to end up being restrained because kids

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who have ADHD or whatever are going to, you know,

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have this burned up energy. But also I believe

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like, I remember this one teacher had, like,

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if you got, like, I was always up there, like,

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a 96 or 100. And, you know, the end of the day,

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you got, like, candy. I am what you call an indie

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notes and see which plan is right for you. Like

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a soda. My mom wasn't too crazy about that because

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it's like. you know hyperactivity or they had

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they started like giving people granola bars

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because of hyperactivity but um at the end uh

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one of the things was friday talks and it had

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things like being attentive in class finishing

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your work keeping your hands to yourself and

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like um being kind being responsible paying attention

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and then you got the stickers and like if you

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got like all 10 then you got like a trophy you

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got to be the star of the week and everybody

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got these privileges and then one of the things

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was an auction or you had these money chips and

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you got to buy things at the school store so

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these are alternatives to these are happy alternatives

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that really keep people motivated and the goal

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you know so just quite the challenge you know

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on my pride of myself when when i became a teacher

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um you know i wasn't going to be their friend

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because you know of course you want people to

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like you but the fact is are they learning you

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know it's the same thing with a therapist or

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a person in a hospital you know I don't understand

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that restraining is going to make you hate them,

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so why do it? I got another question for you.

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I probably have told you this in a few Facebook

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messages, but when I read about the movie Music,

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the actor who played the autistic character in

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the movie, they were not even autistic themselves.

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What are your thoughts of this? Well, it's very

00:23:09.779 --> 00:23:14.980
common that this happens. Do you think it's right?

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For me, for me to say that is kind of hard because

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I watched several shows with an actor playing

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someone, for example, the good doctor, Freddie

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Highmore is not autistic, but he plays a doctor.

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And that's a very good show because it shows

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that he's going beyond his means because the

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truth is from 100 % to 70%, there's about 75,

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which is more than 50, 75 % people are autistic.

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There are autistic engineers and it's not, it's

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most people with autism are brilliant and they're

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portraying it good. And then parenthood, for

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example, Max Brookholder played young Max Braverman

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who got diagnosed with Asperger's and I would

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have sworn if I didn't know any better at first.

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And then Then it was a privilege to find out

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at Sundance that he was going to be there. And

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I found out that they had a son. He had to learn

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how to walk. I mean, I know it sounds like kind

00:24:37.369 --> 00:24:40.970
of like derogatory, but yes, it happens. So that

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question is that for him to play for this character

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in music, to play somebody who's being restrained,

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I know what you're talking about. So it's not

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a bad idea, but it's not. completely a good idea

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because it's a very you know maybe you know see

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it goes it goes back and forth with me you know

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there's no hack there's no like i think there's

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no major opinion it's kind of like it can go

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either way well i mean you think can you see

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like could you like could you uh in your opinion

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do you think you well may not in your opinion

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but like I've seen people from the autism community

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post about, talk about this movie. And they said

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that one of the biggest turn offs for them was

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that the person wasn't autistic. For me, I would

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have to say that doesn't really bother me as

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much, but the restraint part bothered me. And

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just then Director's negative view of autism

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bothered me. And I would never buy a movie ticket

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to a director who has such high, strong opinions

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about that. And the director also said that autism

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needs to be fixed. Do you think it needs to be

00:26:08.589 --> 00:26:13.519
fixed? Absolutely not. I think it's not like

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the person's broken. It's a neurological disorder.

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That's like saying that diabetes has to be fixed

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or cancer has to be fixed. Cancer, I could see,

00:26:24.539 --> 00:26:28.160
needs to be fixed. Well, cancer is a horrible

00:26:28.160 --> 00:26:32.400
disease, but unfortunately we have no cure. They're

00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:34.920
getting closer, though. Yeah, they're getting

00:26:34.920 --> 00:26:37.529
closer. But see, this is a person that's speaking

00:26:37.529 --> 00:26:41.930
from the heart. For example, autism is just like

00:26:41.930 --> 00:26:45.589
a learning disability. You learn to overcompensate

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for, you learn to compensate one part of the

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brain, one part of the brain that doesn't have

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as much neurological, you know, wires in it.

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and there are two weeks and got pulled out. Then,

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you know, so that was the first time I was sitting

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in a doll corner, not speaking that much at the

00:28:39.660 --> 00:28:43.900
time. And so this teacher who had no training.

00:28:44.589 --> 00:28:47.170
um called a nursing who had no training with

00:28:47.170 --> 00:28:49.869
special needs and they told me that they were

00:28:49.869 --> 00:28:55.490
tired doing this um so i went to i went to the

00:28:55.490 --> 00:28:57.470
montessori school where they didn't believe in

00:28:57.470 --> 00:29:01.490
that um it was all behavior modification and

00:29:01.490 --> 00:29:07.309
um so the whole idea is then come back to later

00:29:07.309 --> 00:29:13.829
on a 21 year old adult You know, who gives them

00:29:13.829 --> 00:29:18.230
the right? Secondly, that you're never going

00:29:18.230 --> 00:29:22.049
to fix autism because people have asked me on

00:29:22.049 --> 00:29:27.529
panels. What? It's DNA. It's in our DNA. But

00:29:27.529 --> 00:29:33.269
here's another thing to tell you that scientists

00:29:33.269 --> 00:29:37.490
don't even know because you can't fix Down syndrome.

00:29:37.509 --> 00:29:41.130
It's an extra chromosome. You know, somebody

00:29:41.130 --> 00:29:45.849
said to me, can you get rid of it? Can you get

00:29:45.849 --> 00:29:48.009
some kind of an operation? Like, and it really

00:29:48.009 --> 00:29:50.670
bothered me because it's been a part of me for

00:29:50.670 --> 00:29:55.569
so long. Like, I was really, you know, I think

00:29:55.569 --> 00:30:00.910
that, you know, my mom did something really good

00:30:00.910 --> 00:30:03.349
and she had a family meeting and I don't remember

00:30:03.349 --> 00:30:09.349
it, but like. You know, I think I was like six

00:30:09.349 --> 00:30:11.329
years old, seven years old. So my sister was

00:30:11.329 --> 00:30:14.569
four and we had these family meetings, you know,

00:30:14.589 --> 00:30:16.470
not that we did it all the time, but one time

00:30:16.470 --> 00:30:18.630
my mom said, well, this is your sister. You have

00:30:18.630 --> 00:30:21.589
to be nice and be patient. Her brain works less

00:30:21.589 --> 00:30:25.430
than yours. It's not her fault. So the whole

00:30:25.430 --> 00:30:33.089
idea was, you know, with any kind of learning

00:30:33.089 --> 00:30:41.420
disability, it's neurological. It's all about

00:30:41.420 --> 00:30:46.859
compensating. It's frustrating because teachers

00:30:46.859 --> 00:30:50.319
get burned out because they think that they can

00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:54.680
have 100 good kids. And maybe you can only deal,

00:30:54.700 --> 00:30:57.200
maybe one makes progress. Maybe you can only

00:30:57.200 --> 00:31:01.960
raise the bar so far. There was somebody that

00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:05.230
said, Don't ever raise the bar for your daughter

00:31:05.230 --> 00:31:07.890
because she's not going to go far. And I'm, you

00:31:07.890 --> 00:31:10.970
know, I finished college. I've been on my own

00:31:10.970 --> 00:31:17.849
since I was 19. And, you know, as techno idiot

00:31:17.849 --> 00:31:22.990
as I feel, I'm kidding there, mind you, but this

00:31:22.990 --> 00:31:25.549
technology is not my thing because I'm old school

00:31:25.549 --> 00:31:29.640
at 53 and you're younger. I didn't say I love

00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:32.140
technology. I have a love -hate relationship

00:31:32.140 --> 00:31:35.500
with it. Yeah, so do I. I mean, some days I love

00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:37.619
it and it works perfectly when it agrees with

00:31:37.619 --> 00:31:39.819
me, but when I'm having a bad day and it doesn't

00:31:39.819 --> 00:31:44.359
work, you know, sometimes I can, you know, so

00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:47.519
the whole idea is because I'm neurologically

00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:51.420
impaired and it's not my thing, but you give

00:31:51.420 --> 00:31:54.329
me a pad and a pencil. And I'll be able to put

00:31:54.329 --> 00:31:57.430
together a story for you. So we're all good at

00:31:57.430 --> 00:32:01.009
certain things. So what happens in this movie,

00:32:01.069 --> 00:32:03.890
it seems that they're lumping all autistic people

00:32:03.890 --> 00:32:10.009
together and stating that they can fix us. By

00:32:10.009 --> 00:32:13.589
using restraint. Yeah, by using restraint. So,

00:32:13.589 --> 00:32:17.430
you know, that's why I really don't like the

00:32:17.430 --> 00:32:21.170
message it's sending out. But Dan Sickles, who...

00:32:21.420 --> 00:32:25.359
who made my film, had said that we're not these

00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:27.779
raving reporters that are going to jump in there

00:32:27.779 --> 00:32:31.599
and say, oh, I got to get a juicy story out for

00:32:31.599 --> 00:32:33.660
Dina. I mean, yeah, they're there. I feel like

00:32:33.660 --> 00:32:35.900
they were grasping at straws with this movie,

00:32:36.099 --> 00:32:39.099
like because because of the pandemic, they didn't

00:32:39.099 --> 00:32:42.160
have enough movies to review. So there's like,

00:32:42.299 --> 00:32:44.519
oh, you know, we're going to give this movie

00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:47.740
two nominations for two Golden Global Awards.

00:32:48.339 --> 00:32:51.480
I'm like. That's a stretch. You know what they

00:32:51.480 --> 00:32:59.299
put this movie under? In the Golden Globes? Music

00:32:59.299 --> 00:33:02.400
slash comedy. Do you see any comedy bits in this

00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:07.339
movie? No, I see it as insulting. I see it as

00:33:07.339 --> 00:33:13.349
insulting to... A person like myself who even

00:33:13.349 --> 00:33:16.410
went out to teach people like me because I saw

00:33:16.410 --> 00:33:19.250
what Ed Sickles did. That's Dan Sickles' father,

00:33:19.410 --> 00:33:23.630
who was a self -proclaimed advocate. And I used

00:33:23.630 --> 00:33:26.210
to say to my mom, hey, if Ed Sickles has a learning

00:33:26.210 --> 00:33:29.569
disability, which was dyslexia, by the way, and

00:33:29.569 --> 00:33:33.650
he graduated with a bachelor's and a master's

00:33:33.650 --> 00:33:38.470
degree, I can certainly be him. And then I found

00:33:38.470 --> 00:33:42.339
my way to other. um things like i'm an autism

00:33:42.339 --> 00:33:46.359
peer uh specialist and that's exactly what i'm

00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:49.000
an autism specialist so i specialized in being

00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:54.000
a friend first um so it's like under a therapist

00:33:54.000 --> 00:34:00.640
um yeah and like um so the whole idea was a lot

00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.180
of people end up in the mental health system

00:34:03.180 --> 00:34:06.660
like myself from the traumas i mean i have ptsd

00:34:06.660 --> 00:34:19.800
from the way i was treated but also So with other

00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.500
movies, Dan had made a very good point. He said

00:34:23.500 --> 00:34:25.880
that people would came to him and said, oh, look,

00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:28.699
they have friends. And Dan was like, oh, no shit.

00:34:29.900 --> 00:34:33.760
That was his response. You know, like, oh, these

00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:36.159
people, they have friends. These people, you

00:34:36.159 --> 00:34:39.849
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somebody in one of the the um there were some

00:38:58.380 --> 00:39:02.440
people he showed it to a bunch of people um i

00:39:02.440 --> 00:39:07.500
think i was at the q a um and then We were on

00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:15.880
with a college, a bunch of professors, and they

00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:23.679
were like, oh, like somebody had said, you know,

00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:28.480
most people thought it was amazing. They felt

00:39:28.480 --> 00:39:31.820
they had felt the same dreams and hopes that

00:39:31.820 --> 00:39:34.500
me and Scott had felt as two autistic individuals.

00:39:34.679 --> 00:39:37.199
They thought it was great. that Scott and I were

00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:43.860
setting this new trend. Even before Scott, I

00:39:43.860 --> 00:39:49.400
had a pretty big life. So just one more question

00:39:49.400 --> 00:39:55.179
before we wrap up. Do you think, and I'm just

00:39:55.179 --> 00:39:59.199
going to list off the rest of what the movie

00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.139
is about real quick before I get to the question.

00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:07.159
So because of this movie, has a negative view

00:40:07.159 --> 00:40:11.800
of autism and it needs to be fixed and there's

00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:14.320
no fix in sight and they've been trying to work

00:40:14.320 --> 00:40:17.199
on a fix for many, many years and still hasn't

00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:24.199
gone anywhere. Two, it uses restraint in the

00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:29.800
movie and their message is it's okay to use restraint

00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:32.699
with people on the autism spectrum. It has a

00:40:32.699 --> 00:40:37.840
thousand bad reviews. And it's under a category

00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:41.980
that I don't really think it belongs under this

00:40:41.980 --> 00:40:48.239
category. Now, to be fair to it, I haven't seen

00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:54.980
it, and you haven't seen it. Perhaps it might

00:40:54.980 --> 00:40:59.480
have really good music. And, well, that sounds

00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:05.070
redundant. in the movie music. And perhaps maybe

00:41:05.070 --> 00:41:08.070
it does really have good music, but I don't like

00:41:08.070 --> 00:41:18.610
their message. But what I want to ask, in your

00:41:18.610 --> 00:41:23.869
opinion, would you see this movie based on just

00:41:23.869 --> 00:41:28.170
the bad message, the bad reviews, and do you

00:41:28.170 --> 00:41:32.860
think it deserves at two Golden Globe nominations?

00:41:36.139 --> 00:41:41.820
You know, me personally, I don't think because

00:41:41.820 --> 00:41:45.059
of the way that I feel about it, I have to say

00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:52.340
no. Would I see this movie? I don't think so,

00:41:52.340 --> 00:41:55.500
as much as part of me wanted to take a peek into

00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:59.119
what it might look like. I even had some people

00:41:59.119 --> 00:42:05.400
said to me in my family that some people suggested,

00:42:05.780 --> 00:42:12.360
hey, maybe you want to just watch it to learn

00:42:12.360 --> 00:42:19.639
more and research it. But I don't, in my opinion,

00:42:19.860 --> 00:42:24.340
and maybe you feel the same way as well, I don't

00:42:24.340 --> 00:42:29.429
want to buy a movie ticket. There's no movie

00:42:29.429 --> 00:42:31.650
theaters are open at the moment anyway, and if

00:42:31.650 --> 00:42:35.829
there are, that's news to me. I mean, at least

00:42:35.829 --> 00:42:39.210
the ones near where I am, there's nothing. They

00:42:39.210 --> 00:42:41.510
just advertised Tom and Jerry, which I'm dying

00:42:41.510 --> 00:42:44.050
to see. It's a cartoon. I would like to see that

00:42:44.050 --> 00:42:47.730
movie. I like animation, and I used to watch

00:42:47.730 --> 00:42:49.989
it when I was a kid about the cat and the mouse,

00:42:50.110 --> 00:42:51.769
and they're supposed to give them a voice, which

00:42:51.769 --> 00:42:57.230
I'm excited about. Yeah, me too. These were silent.

00:42:57.610 --> 00:42:59.969
keep cat they were silent and they were so funny

00:42:59.969 --> 00:43:02.889
because they both had a voice in silence now

00:43:02.889 --> 00:43:05.409
they're getting a voice and tom is going to be

00:43:05.409 --> 00:43:08.050
the aggressor and and jerry's going to be the

00:43:08.050 --> 00:43:15.110
kind one yeah but as i was saying um uh whatever

00:43:15.110 --> 00:43:19.949
a movie ticket costs uh after this pandemic or

00:43:19.949 --> 00:43:22.389
during the pandemic if there's movie theaters

00:43:22.389 --> 00:43:27.289
open uh wherever any wherever in any location

00:43:27.289 --> 00:43:30.610
where there's a movie theater that is open. I

00:43:30.610 --> 00:43:33.789
don't want to spend an expensive movie ticket

00:43:33.789 --> 00:43:38.409
and give it to a director with such strong opinions

00:43:38.409 --> 00:43:42.909
that you're basically telling me she's basically,

00:43:42.949 --> 00:43:48.230
in my opinion, that I need to be fixed. There's

00:43:48.230 --> 00:43:51.769
something wrong with me. And why do I want to

00:43:51.769 --> 00:43:55.250
support that? I'm sorry. Right. I agree with

00:43:55.250 --> 00:44:01.179
you. Well, you know, I've had people say to my

00:44:01.179 --> 00:44:06.820
mom, well, will she get rid of it? You know,

00:44:06.820 --> 00:44:12.920
before I had the test. So it was like somebody,

00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:16.500
the person, first of all, when I first, it came

00:44:16.500 --> 00:44:20.079
out like some learning disabilities. The first

00:44:20.079 --> 00:44:23.849
couple of years of my life, it was like. well,

00:44:23.949 --> 00:44:25.829
if she has a learning disability, what are you

00:44:25.829 --> 00:44:27.670
going to do to get rid of it? Well, my mother

00:44:27.670 --> 00:44:31.250
said, well, where have you been? Because people

00:44:31.250 --> 00:44:34.309
with learning disabilities and Down syndrome

00:44:34.309 --> 00:44:41.849
and autism, I'm not going to be upset anymore

00:44:41.849 --> 00:44:44.429
because if she does have autism, we'll get her

00:44:44.429 --> 00:44:48.230
to schooling because people were keeping babies

00:44:48.230 --> 00:44:52.420
that have Down syndrome. And my theory also is

00:44:52.420 --> 00:44:55.340
that people need to stop getting tests for Down

00:44:55.340 --> 00:44:58.239
syndrome and let it be whatever God wants the

00:44:58.239 --> 00:45:02.099
child to be. Because it's not so bad. Because

00:45:02.099 --> 00:45:06.340
with babies today, Down syndrome, people with

00:45:06.340 --> 00:45:10.059
Down syndrome have a full life. And so it's not

00:45:10.059 --> 00:45:13.619
the life that you wanted for your child. Or it's

00:45:13.619 --> 00:45:16.780
not the life that these doctors might have wanted.

00:45:18.159 --> 00:45:24.519
I was brainwashed to believe that it's bad. So,

00:45:24.519 --> 00:45:27.619
you know what, as an advocate, I grew as a person

00:45:27.619 --> 00:45:32.300
because like, you know, we live in such a prejudiced

00:45:32.300 --> 00:45:37.000
world that our thinking becomes like a certain

00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.940
way. Do you see what I'm saying? Everything that

00:45:38.940 --> 00:45:43.280
was told by my wonderful mother that we're not

00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.519
going to fix you. We love you just the way you

00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:48.820
are like that song. So, That's the whole idea.

00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:54.119
So I bet you that if I saw that restraint movie,

00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:58.659
I might start to cry and feel like I'm being

00:45:58.659 --> 00:46:02.679
a hypocrite in my thinking. I have to add something

00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:08.820
real quick before we wrap up. The movie music,

00:46:09.000 --> 00:46:15.500
the director also stated, and I haven't seen

00:46:15.500 --> 00:46:19.530
any. other recent articles that said that it

00:46:19.530 --> 00:46:24.190
has been fixed at the moment. The director said

00:46:24.190 --> 00:46:28.289
that she's going to cut out the restraint parts

00:46:28.289 --> 00:46:35.510
in the movie. And she also said that there would

00:46:35.510 --> 00:46:39.090
be a disclaimer or a warning message on the movie

00:46:39.090 --> 00:46:46.920
for people who because of this movie and the

00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:51.000
messages sends and whenever it was released guess

00:46:51.000 --> 00:46:55.119
what you know what was missing the the uh the

00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:58.820
message i mean the um the warning message and

00:46:58.820 --> 00:47:03.280
warning label was still not added so we need

00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:06.219
to say with these warning labels some of the

00:47:06.219 --> 00:47:10.000
subject matter yeah but i'm saying that that

00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:14.840
didn't that those uh Those morning labels were

00:47:14.840 --> 00:47:19.079
not even there. And I don't think it still is

00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:23.000
there. And if it is, I'll take it back. But I

00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:25.639
haven't seen an article recently that I haven't

00:47:25.639 --> 00:47:27.559
seen anything that was updated recently that

00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:31.239
says it's now there, but it should have. Well,

00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:36.340
you know, the way that I deal with things, because

00:47:36.340 --> 00:47:40.320
today we have a clearer view and the difference

00:47:40.320 --> 00:47:46.659
between people now. Unfortunately, and people

00:47:46.659 --> 00:47:52.480
like myself from when I was a child, we had a

00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:56.400
different view. And if you have good parents

00:47:56.400 --> 00:48:00.820
that, like my mom, was an advocate for me. She

00:48:00.820 --> 00:48:04.860
went to the school board a lot and complained

00:48:04.860 --> 00:48:08.099
about work that was beneath me and didn't let

00:48:08.099 --> 00:48:13.050
me get by on things. um and treated me like you

00:48:13.050 --> 00:48:15.030
know sometimes you don't like that you want to

00:48:15.030 --> 00:48:19.050
get off easy but the whole idea she used to tell

00:48:19.050 --> 00:48:21.250
me that's because i believe in you because you're

00:48:21.250 --> 00:48:24.230
just like everybody else you might have a learning

00:48:24.230 --> 00:48:27.710
disability but then they started calling it learning

00:48:27.710 --> 00:48:32.429
difference like in the 80s and people stopped

00:48:32.429 --> 00:48:35.829
going to special schools and you know it's a

00:48:35.829 --> 00:48:39.170
big mixed bag everything is mixed bag there's

00:48:39.170 --> 00:48:43.380
no Not one theory that works, you know, it's

00:48:43.380 --> 00:48:48.320
kind of like a person who has mental illness.

00:48:48.400 --> 00:48:50.920
And I'm going to say mental illness because it's

00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.360
up in the brain, whereas cancer and diabetes

00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:56.380
are physical problems. So like, for example,

00:48:56.900 --> 00:49:01.579
autism is a learning disability, sort of. It's

00:49:01.579 --> 00:49:08.679
neurological in the brain. With ADHD, it's the

00:49:08.679 --> 00:49:12.019
same thing. Sometimes there's drugs to regulate

00:49:12.019 --> 00:49:16.360
your brain. And there was this brain doctor out

00:49:16.360 --> 00:49:21.019
there, and I'm not making this up, but we have

00:49:21.019 --> 00:49:24.539
all these tests for physical problems, but like

00:49:24.539 --> 00:49:27.920
for autism, like they don't go around saying,

00:49:28.059 --> 00:49:30.099
oh, we need to clean our brains out right now.

00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:32.739
But what people, doctors really need to say is,

00:49:33.289 --> 00:49:35.949
You need a fine tune -up. Like there was a doctor

00:49:35.949 --> 00:49:39.190
that actually discovers the autism brain. And

00:49:39.190 --> 00:49:41.590
there was these, I have some good reading literature

00:49:41.590 --> 00:49:44.909
because I had to be trained in these subjects,

00:49:44.969 --> 00:49:50.489
but I got interested in it because first it started

00:49:50.489 --> 00:49:53.730
in advocacy. I still am. I don't, I always remember

00:49:53.730 --> 00:49:58.170
where I started as like a person that had bad

00:49:58.170 --> 00:50:04.190
things happen, like a restraint. And I know what

00:50:04.190 --> 00:50:08.449
it's like to feel low, but I can't harp on that

00:50:08.449 --> 00:50:14.730
because, you know, so my opinion is that when

00:50:14.730 --> 00:50:18.489
you have a baby and they have something wrong

00:50:18.489 --> 00:50:22.670
with them, take them home and you love them and

00:50:22.670 --> 00:50:25.230
you accept them and you find ways to raise the

00:50:25.230 --> 00:50:30.260
bar instead of fixing them. chances are they

00:50:30.260 --> 00:50:32.219
won't end up in that situation where they're

00:50:32.219 --> 00:50:36.820
going to be restrained because like if you kind

00:50:36.820 --> 00:50:38.980
of keep telling them that they have problems

00:50:38.980 --> 00:50:41.780
they're going to end up in situations like that

00:50:41.780 --> 00:50:49.139
and you know um i don't know you um you hope

00:50:49.139 --> 00:50:55.480
that um that this message comes out that There

00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:58.119
are so many more positive movies to see on autism.

00:50:58.340 --> 00:51:00.780
I mean, if people want to go and take a peek

00:51:00.780 --> 00:51:03.800
and see it, I'm not a movie critic. I mean, well,

00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:09.659
kind of. Well, for me, I'm not going to go see

00:51:09.659 --> 00:51:12.539
it. And two, I'm not going to watch the Golden

00:51:12.539 --> 00:51:16.960
Globes this Sunday because of the Hollywood foreign

00:51:16.960 --> 00:51:20.659
press giving it two nominations. Will you be

00:51:20.659 --> 00:51:22.360
watching the Golden Globes this Sunday? Because

00:51:22.360 --> 00:51:27.610
I'm not. No. I don't think so. I'm not too thrilled

00:51:27.610 --> 00:51:30.869
about what's going on anyway. The movie theaters

00:51:30.869 --> 00:51:40.170
aren't open. I don't think the choices are very

00:51:40.170 --> 00:51:45.269
good. I think they're putting a bunch of movies

00:51:45.269 --> 00:51:49.550
out there just by time because people need to

00:51:49.550 --> 00:51:54.219
look at the good doctor that If you get a 75

00:51:54.219 --> 00:51:59.460
% to 80 % chance that your child can become a

00:51:59.460 --> 00:52:03.519
doctor, that's halfway there. And that's because

00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:06.199
parents are like, no, that's not going to happen.

00:52:06.219 --> 00:52:08.940
It's just for TV. No, it's based on a real story.

00:52:09.340 --> 00:52:16.340
It's based on a real story that this boy was

00:52:16.340 --> 00:52:23.880
autistic. So, yes, he had challenges. his ability,

00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:30.800
his IQ was very high, but autism faces some social

00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:36.539
challenges. And I learned to socialize, you know,

00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:39.039
I'm like one of a kind. I mean, somebody interviewed

00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.619
me and they said, you know, it's very normal

00:52:41.619 --> 00:52:44.760
to face social challenges, but then there's me.

00:52:45.239 --> 00:52:49.420
That's what they said. Why was it that I adapted

00:52:49.420 --> 00:52:53.289
so well? I don't know. Maybe I took what I could

00:52:53.289 --> 00:52:57.730
instead of feeling broken. Because, you know,

00:52:57.750 --> 00:53:01.809
I don't like when people say that mental health

00:53:01.809 --> 00:53:04.010
is a broken brain, it's a break in the brain.

00:53:04.150 --> 00:53:06.969
That sounds very derogatory that we need to say

00:53:06.969 --> 00:53:10.570
that mental illness or autism, it's like a common

00:53:10.570 --> 00:53:15.409
cold that when you have a cold, you take medicine.

00:53:15.429 --> 00:53:20.059
Well, sometimes with mental illness, You take

00:53:20.059 --> 00:53:23.159
medication, whatever works, or you fill it up

00:53:23.159 --> 00:53:25.639
with knowledge and you get out of the ignorance

00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:30.539
game. Teach yourself the real meaning. It's with

00:53:30.539 --> 00:53:39.780
anything. Yeah. So I'm going to wrap up the show.

00:53:40.219 --> 00:53:44.860
And thanks for coming on and discussing this

00:53:44.860 --> 00:53:53.840
horrific. movie called Music. And for people

00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:58.699
who want to learn more about the movie Music,

00:53:58.940 --> 00:54:03.139
just do your research and Google it. You can't

00:54:03.139 --> 00:54:06.280
miss it. If you want to hear a positive view

00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:08.880
on autism, watch the Dina movie. Yeah, watch

00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:15.059
the Dina movie. And make sure you share this

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00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:24.519
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00:54:24.519 --> 00:54:28.099
in touch with us on our page. And also, we might

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be doing something on mental illness and breaking

00:54:30.719 --> 00:54:33.000
the stigma that we're not broken if we have it.

00:54:33.460 --> 00:54:36.679
Hey, no sneak peeks on my show yet. Oh, okay.

00:54:36.739 --> 00:54:41.539
Sorry. I'm kidding. But anyway, and make sure

00:54:41.539 --> 00:54:45.139
you share this episode with your family, friends.

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And I all invite you to boycott the Golden Globes

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