Luke Murphy’s ”Finders Keepers” Book Interview!

Calvin Watters spent three hard years on the Vegas streets, working the depths of the red light district. When a string of escort murders surfaces and the LVMPD has no answers, they realize that there is only one man they can turn to for help.…you have to know the streets.Calvin vowed to never return to his former life, but this new case pulls him back in. As he hits the streets, his honed survival skills kick in, and the PI must call upon his past experience to outwit a worthy opponent. In this episode, I talk to Luke Murphy who is an International Best Selling Author. We discuss his new book called "Finders Keepers."
Key Take-Aways From The Episode
- What is Finders Keepers About?
- How does Luke Murphy come up with so many twist and turns?
- How long did it take to write the book?
About The Guest
Luke Murphy is the International bestselling author of two series. The Calvin Watters Mysteries: Dead Man's Hand (2012) and Wild Card (2017). The Charlene Taylor Mysteries: Kiss & Tell (2015) and Rock-A-Bye Baby (2019). He also played six years of professional hockey before retiring in 2006.
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now, and he's a... truly inspirational person
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guests and his name is Luke Murphy and so let's
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welcome him out. Hey, Luke. Hey, Jimmy. How are
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you? Good. How are you? I'm good. Thanks. Just
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one kind of correction. I'm not a New York Times
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bestselling author. I wish I was, but I'm not
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quite there yet. Maybe someday. Okay. Soon to
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be a New York Times bestselling author. I'd love
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that. Thank you. Move over, James Patterson.
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New guy. Though I think, to be honest, I really
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he has been. I still enjoy reading his books.
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today to create your own podcast. He comes out
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with like a book a month. It's incredible, yeah.
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It's not that I'm saying I don't enjoy it, but
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anyway, so could you talk a little bit about
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what you do and how you got started? Yeah, sure.
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Well, my full -time job, I'm a high school teacher.
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I have several part -time jobs on the side. I
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tutor math and English, and I ref hockey a couple
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times a week in the winter, and I write books.
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So on my spare time, I enjoy writing. I've just
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published my sixth book, so I have six out now.
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um how'd i get involved in writing i've always
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been an avid reader so i loved i've loved reading
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my whole life even when i was a kid my mom was
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a librarian so i kind of grew up around books
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and that probably got me involved with reading
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um you know i was i was playing hockey because
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i'm a former hockey player i was playing hockey
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down in oklahoma city and i ended up getting
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hurt and i had all this free time on my hands
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because you know i couldn't practice i couldn't
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go on road trips Couldn't do anything really.
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And, you know, my wife at the time, she was my
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girlfriend. She was attending university. And
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she asked me if I'd help her create this short
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story for one of her classes. And so I did that.
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And I really enjoyed helping her with that, you
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know, creating plots and characters and things.
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And once we were done, I kind of took one of
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our characters and just... wrote my own story
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with it and that's when i that's where i started
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it was just kind of like a pastime just for fun
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type thing i wasn't thinking of publishing it
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it was just kind of a hobby and um you know i
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really enjoyed it i let my sister read it and
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she thought it was really good uh so you know
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that's i just kept writing and eventually i started
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publishing books And I have to say, whoever hasn't
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read any of his books yet, you're missing out
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a lot of fun. I read all of his books up until
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the recent one that just came out. And he leaves
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so many cliffhangers and so many twists and turns
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that I don't even know. Even if I thought I saw
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what's coming next, I honestly didn't. I didn't
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even think that character could possibly do it.
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Like, I'm reading this current book that a crooked
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cop was involved in some kind of a cover -up
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case and everything from, like, previous books.
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And it's like, I would never have known. And
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so Luke Murphy, he does this pretty much, I wouldn't
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say he does the same exact thing, but he keeps
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you guessing until the very end. And when you
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think you really know who did the murder, nope.
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It's always that one person you kind of glance
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over, it's like, hmm. Yeah, well, those are always
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the books I liked to read when I was younger.
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And even now, it's the whodunits. You're trying
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to figure out who's the bad guy, who's the murderer,
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who's the antagonist. And I think it's fun as
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a reader to try to read through all the evidence
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and all the hints and clues and stuff to try
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to figure out. And it's kind of satisfying as
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a reader when you find out who it is actually
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before. it's revealed in the book. So that's
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kind of fun. So that's why I kind of write like
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I'm a reader because I kind of know what I like
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to read. So I kind of write with that in mind
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of what my readers are looking for. And obviously
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I can tell in your books because... you put your
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sense of humor into it as well. And the characters
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have a great sense of humor in the book. And
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it just shows. And it's funny, I was writing
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a piece the other day just for my website. And
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just reading the back of some of the things I
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said in there, I was like, that's all me right
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there. I was like, everything that I write on
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my website, it's all me. It's all my personality.
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And so you can definitely tell. It's not even
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forced. Yeah. And, you know, I'm obviously not
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a big -name author like some of these, you know,
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Stephen Kings and James Patterson mentioned.
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You know, they all have these personal assistants
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who are writing all their material on their social
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media. So it's not personal like them, right?
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like hours, right? When we know, like when I
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post something on social media, it's me doing
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it. It's, you know, it's not an assistant or
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anyone I'm, I'm posting all that and everything
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I write in my books, you know, the whole thing
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in my book is me. So I think that, I think readers
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like that, you know, I think they want genuine
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people to follow who they know that it's actually
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them talking. I'm not going to promote something
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that I'm not really passionate about. And like
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you said, I'm on social media for the humor.
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I'm just there to make jokes. sell books, obviously,
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but I tell people in advance, you know, don't
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take anything I say seriously because, you know,
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I like to goof around on social media and joke
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with people and meet new people and, you know,
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just communicate with readers and stuff. And
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so I'm on there to have a good time. I get enough
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reality in my life every day. I just want to
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have some fun on social media. So, yeah, and
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through my characters, I always try to have a
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character in there who has a good sense of humor
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and I like to tell jokes and stuff. So, you know,
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it's fun. That's what I try to do on social media.
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Even though I have a queue that's built up with
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curated articles I think people like to read
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and not just written by me, but written by other
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people and other writers. I like to share it
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just to keep my feeds going so it's not just
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like... He only posts once a day. Sounds boring.
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I mean, I'm not saying like some people do that,
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but, you know, the amazing social media algorithms
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are kind of not in your favor. Well, yes. And,
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you know, for myself, writing is a part -time
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gig. So I don't have as much time as I'd like
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to go on social media and things like that. you
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know, especially in the winter time when I'm
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teaching all day and then tutor in the evening.
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And then at night you're trying to, once everyone
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goes to bed, you're trying to write. So, so to
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have time for social media, it's, there's definitely
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not as much as I'd like. I try to post as often
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as I can, but you know, of course life gets in
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the way sometimes and you have to make priorities.
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But like I said, social media is just, it's a
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whole lot of fun for me. I definitely could tell
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because And that's what I like to try to do to
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have fun. The other day I was posting in my VIP,
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so to speak, Facebook group. I was getting a
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spice jar off the shelf. And this shelf is above
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the microwave in my house at the shore because
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there's not a lot of cabinets and space to put
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all this stuff. So we put it above the microwave.
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on the second step. And, of course, the shelf
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was missing one. So by accident, I didn't know
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about that. So then I put too much weight on
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my hand, pressing down on the shelf, and all
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the stuff tumbled, all the spices tumbled off.
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And I was like, well, if I knew that was going
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to happen, I wouldn't need a ladder. I could
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have saved all myself the trouble. All I just
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wanted was the oregano, but no. And my mom puts
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it in alphabetical order, so that didn't help
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either. So my point was, I just had to post that
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and just was laughing. I was like, well, if I
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knew that was going to happen, I wouldn't need
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the ladder after all. Yeah, and people like to
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hear about that everyday stuff, right? Yeah.
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They like the gossip. Well, I don't know if you
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call it gossip, but maybe they can relate to
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just everyday person that's just like, oh, so
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this didn't just happen to me. Or, oh, it's like,
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oh, that didn't just happen to me. I thought
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it only happened to me because I was special
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or something. That probably didn't make any sense,
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but I'm just going to go with it. So talk a little
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bit about your new book without giving any spoilers
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away. Yeah, sure. So Finders Keepers, which is
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book number four in my Calvin Waters mystery
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series, it was released last Friday. The e -book
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was released last Friday and the paperback this
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week. So for those people who are aware of my
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Calvin Waters character, he's kind of like, well,
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in book one, Dead Man's Hand, he was a leg breaker.
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So he collected for bookies, Vegas bookies, and
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kind of a bad guy. Wasn't happy with his life,
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wasn't happy with himself, wanted to change things,
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become a better person. So he kind of left that
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lifestyle. to become a private investigator and
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better his life. In this book, Four Finders Keepers,
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he's kind of drawn back into that world of, you
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know, the red light Vegas district, the underground
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world, the back streets type thing. So he's following
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a case of murdered escorts in Vegas. And the
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Vegas police have asked him to kind of help in
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the investigation because he was once a part
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of that world and he'd still have contacts there.
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So he has to try to hunt down who is killing
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these escorts for the cops before, you know,
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it gets kind of out of control. And then there's
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kind of like a subplot as well. We have this
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group of hired assassins who have been after
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Calvin in the first three books. There's a new
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assassin in town now to try to take him out,
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so Calvin has to also deal with that problem.
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So he's kind of got two problems to deal with
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at once, so he certainly has to multitask in
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this book. Jeez, sounds brutal. So I have a question,
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and I haven't read the book, but as a writer,
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do you know... in your mind writing all this
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stuff do you know who at when you get towards
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the end of the book do you know hang on a second
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jimmy i gotta cut you off there's someone at
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my door here i'm sorry maybe once you get back
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i'll tell her to give you a call okay thanks
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Sorry about that. Someone was here to play with
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my daughter, but she's not here. Sorry about
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that. Go ahead with your question, Jimmy. As
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a writer, when you're getting towards finishing
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a book, all the writing and whatnot, do you know
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in your head who the bad person is in your book?
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That's a good question. Sometimes I'm a plotter.
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Sometimes I plot ahead of time and I know who's
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going to be, you know, who's going to do what,
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who's going to be the killer, how it's going
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to end and things like that. But some books I
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don't, right? So this book kind of, I just didn't
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plot out. I just kind of wrote. And I had a couple
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of different scenarios for the ending that I
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thought about using, who could be the killer.
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And the book I'm working on now is the same thing
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I have. You know, I'm maybe halfway through and
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there's three or four options I could use still
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of who the killer is going to be that I haven't
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decided on yet. So and I think that's fun as
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both a writer and a reader when there's multiple
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suspects. There are so many ads these days wherever
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notes. Now let's get back to the show. You have
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to try to figure out who it was. Yeah, so it's
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interesting for me because, yeah, these last
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couple of books, I've had no idea who the killer
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was, but my first few books I did know. I did
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know who the killer was going to be and how I
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was going to end it. But the last couple, it's
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just kind of been, you know, just start writing
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and see where the characters and the plot takes
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me. And have you ever thought of ever doing a
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book where, like, everything is... Heading towards
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the end, but the detectives couldn't find who
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did it and just left it for a part two. Yeah,
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I had actually the first book in my Charlene
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Taylor series I had written and that she didn't
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find out who the serial killer was because I
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wanted to continue it to the next book. But my
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agent. told me not to do that she told me that
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my readers would be unsatisfied and you you have
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to leave them with a satisfaction that there
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was an ending that you know there was closure
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in the case or something but yeah because i had
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i had wanted to leave it kind of open -ended
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and my agent suggested that i don't do that so
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um ever since that time i've i've never done
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that um what is What I do at the end of every
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book, though, is leave some sort of cliffhanger
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that kind of lets the reader know that something
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more is happening, either with that case or an
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ongoing case or a new case. But I always leave
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something at the end of the book to let readers
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know that there's more coming. Yeah, because
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I think the last time when we talked... last
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year when you were my first guest on the podcast
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and now the I remember we were talking about
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one of the books I just finished reading and
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my mind was blown because you left it like I
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think you just like kind of just like I mean
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it wasn't like a bad way but my mind was blown
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because it's like Holy moly, I didn't see all
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these twists and turns. Even when they finished
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up the case, it was just like, oh, two more twists.
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It just winds up being an up -down. And, you
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know, sometimes... there can be too many twists,
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right? Sometimes there can be too many characters.
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And, you know, I've received a couple of comments
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from readers about Kiss and Tell, how there were
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just too many characters to kind of remember,
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or, you know, they got the names mixed up. Because
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I think I had, you know, seven to nine suspects
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in Kiss and Tell. It was just like, you know,
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I had a lot of suspects that had... you know,
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the potential of being the killer. So, you know,
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there's always a risk of having too many twists
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and turns and too many characters. But I think
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I'm kind of just walking that line, that line
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that, you know, and I haven't really gone over
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it yet. Yeah, it's funny. I'm going to be totally
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honest with everyone is that I am totally biased.
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I don't think I've ever had one complaint. Luke
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Murphy's books. Oh, thank you. I like hearing
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that. I mean, it doesn't disappoint. I'm like
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40 pages done for the current book I'm reading,
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which is going to be my sixth book I read this
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year. I'm kind of behind on my book reading.
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Hopefully I can catch up. You're almost one a
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month, so you're doing okay. Yeah. My goal is
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to get to 25. Oh, wow. Yeah. So according to
00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:07.740
the book reading app that I keep track of, of
00:25:07.740 --> 00:25:11.059
my reading goals, it says, I was like, you're
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nine books behind. It's like, thank you. This
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doesn't help. There's no motivation. No. It was
00:25:20.519 --> 00:25:22.980
like, you might as well just like hold up a sign
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that's like, you're being lazy. You're being
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lazy. Thanks. So how did you get inspired to
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write this book? So this one, this is actually
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an interesting story. I've been doing interviews
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all week to promote this new release, and so
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I've told the story a few times. The plot behind
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Finders Keepers actually came from my doctor.
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I'm very close with my family doctor. He's been
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my doctor my whole life. He's been, you know,
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our family doctor for as long as I can remember,
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you know, as long as my parents can remember.
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And a lot of times when I go for a checkup, I'll
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kind of just sit and chat with him. And, you
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know, he loves talking to me. We love talking
00:26:12.670 --> 00:26:15.759
about death. We love talking about, you know,
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how could you kill somebody and get away with
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it? And, you know, it's funny, if two strangers
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were ever walking by us and overheard our conversation,
00:26:23.980 --> 00:26:27.299
they'd probably call the cops. But, you know,
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:29.759
it's all in good fun. And he was telling me about
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a case he had heard from the 70s and 80s about
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this American Harris who her second husband attempted
00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:44.970
to kill her by insulin shots. So I thought it
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was, you know, quite a remarkable story when
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he told me. So that day, as soon as I got home
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from the doctor's office, I looked the case up
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and read through it and it was an absolutely
00:26:53.529 --> 00:26:58.670
fascinating case. And so I kind of used, pulled
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some of that as an inspiration for the plot for
00:27:03.390 --> 00:27:08.400
Finders Keepers. So just out of curiosity, and
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I think people will like to know this, has anyone
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ever called the cops on you? No, they haven't.
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But if the FBI ever went through my computer
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:22.619
and looked up some of the things I've looked
00:27:22.619 --> 00:27:25.559
up about murder, there'd be a lot of questions
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:29.339
that would have to be answered. You know, we
00:27:29.339 --> 00:27:33.109
always have a joke in my family. My mom likes
00:27:33.109 --> 00:27:37.069
to watch a lot of murder mystery shows like NCIS.
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She doesn't like to watch the very gruesome ones,
00:27:41.069 --> 00:27:43.390
like the very, very dark ones. She likes to watch
00:27:43.390 --> 00:27:46.490
the ones that have some kind of humor in it to
00:27:46.490 --> 00:27:49.670
lighten up the moment, if that makes any sense.
00:27:50.130 --> 00:27:55.490
And we always kid with one another in my family.
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Well, if Dad goes anytime soon, we know who did
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it. That's right. She's doing research. Yeah.
00:28:07.609 --> 00:28:10.329
She's like, oh, I know how to get away with it.
00:28:10.849 --> 00:28:14.390
Yeah, that's my guilty. And I think there was
00:28:14.390 --> 00:28:16.609
a show that came out actually called How to Get
00:28:16.609 --> 00:28:19.150
Away with Murder, and it became really popular.
00:28:19.690 --> 00:28:21.789
I've never seen it, but I remember it was on
00:28:21.789 --> 00:28:24.990
Netflix, I think. I think my mom binge watched
00:28:24.990 --> 00:28:29.529
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Have you ever watched it? Yeah. Okay. Before
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:55.119
we get back to your book, who's your favorite
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character on NCIS? Oh, gosh. I haven't watched
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it enough to even know the names. I've only watched
00:31:00.640 --> 00:31:04.000
a couple episodes, and just as I was flicking
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:07.079
through the channels, I've never really focused
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.579
much on it, so I wouldn't even know. the character's
00:31:10.579 --> 00:31:18.440
names on it. Okay. What is, have you, what is
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your favorite thing to watch on TV slash movie
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:25.359
list? My favorite show or movie or anything?
00:31:25.559 --> 00:31:29.180
Both. You know, I like action movies. You know,
00:31:29.220 --> 00:31:32.579
I like no brainers. I could just sit there and
00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:36.140
just watch explosions and, you know, things like
00:31:36.140 --> 00:31:39.019
that. And you don't even have to think. it just
00:31:39.019 --> 00:31:41.180
kind of takes my mind off things and lets me
00:31:41.180 --> 00:31:44.400
relax and stuff. So, you know, I liked, I liked
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.440
all those Rambo movies and things like that.
00:31:46.500 --> 00:31:51.140
It's just kind of entertainment, right? If my
00:31:51.140 --> 00:31:53.980
wife and I were watching it together, there'd
00:31:53.980 --> 00:31:56.759
be, it'd be like suspense thrillers type thing.
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:01.420
A lot of. Kind of like what I write, you know,
00:32:01.420 --> 00:32:04.759
detective shows. And, you know, we watched a
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:08.819
lot of CSI. We watched a lot of Criminal Minds,
00:32:08.819 --> 00:32:11.519
shows like that. And we like our sitcoms too.
00:32:11.640 --> 00:32:15.160
I mean, probably my favorite sitcom of all time
00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:18.559
was maybe The Office. I loved The Office. You
00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:21.240
know, Seinfeld was a classic. Curb Your Enthusiasm
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:25.359
we really like. You know, things like that. Just
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:31.460
something not too serious. you know, we get enough
00:32:31.460 --> 00:32:33.940
seriousness in our life. So when we sit down
00:32:33.940 --> 00:32:36.420
to watch it, but to be honest, Jimmy, I don't
00:32:36.420 --> 00:32:41.059
watch much TV. Fair enough. My days are just,
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:46.200
we're so busy that again, when I have free time,
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:50.140
I try to use it by writing. So, you know, a lot
00:32:50.140 --> 00:32:53.799
of times I don't watch a whole lot of TV. I couldn't
00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:57.819
even tell you. I guess The Office was probably
00:32:57.819 --> 00:33:03.319
the last series I watched, you know, religiously,
00:33:03.319 --> 00:33:05.740
I guess you'd say. And how long has it been since
00:33:05.740 --> 00:33:08.839
that show's been on? So, you know, the last few
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:13.000
years I haven't watched much TV at all. So, yeah,
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:15.359
I do like sports. I mean, I love following sports,
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:18.839
any of the major sports, basketball, baseball,
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.859
football, hockey. I do watch the odd sports game
00:33:22.859 --> 00:33:26.619
on TV. But, yeah, I don't. watch a whole lot
00:33:26.619 --> 00:33:30.299
of TV anyways. I think the only time when I watch
00:33:30.299 --> 00:33:35.000
TV is literally on the weekend, and that's totally
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:41.980
it. But in the summer months, I give myself one
00:33:41.980 --> 00:33:45.500
day out of the whole week to watch one show,
00:33:45.700 --> 00:33:48.200
America's Got Talent, because I just like to
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.880
watch all the talented people in the world perform
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:55.200
on stage. and the judges are pretty funny on
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.359
the show so uh i look forward to that once a
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:02.819
summer so uh yeah since it's not on every single
00:34:02.819 --> 00:34:08.860
fall and it wouldn't be special so um but uh
00:34:08.860 --> 00:34:14.260
uh you know speaking of which like i uh one of
00:34:14.260 --> 00:34:17.920
the things that my dad uh took us to was one
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:22.010
of this play in the um in New York City, and
00:34:22.010 --> 00:34:24.510
this was before the whole pandemic. I think it
00:34:24.510 --> 00:34:29.989
was like 2018 -ish. And he took us to this play.
00:34:30.090 --> 00:34:35.230
It was called The Perfect Murder. And I think
00:34:35.230 --> 00:34:38.389
I absolutely hated the play because at the end
00:34:38.389 --> 00:34:42.170
of it, nobody knows who did it. We couldn't figure
00:34:42.170 --> 00:34:44.489
it out. And even when we thought about it, it
00:34:44.489 --> 00:34:47.489
was like, who did it? We still didn't even know.
00:34:47.530 --> 00:34:49.889
And even though when we looked it up on Google,
00:34:50.010 --> 00:34:53.309
and because it was based off of a real story,
00:34:54.130 --> 00:34:56.510
we still didn't even, just reading from Google,
00:34:56.610 --> 00:34:59.389
still didn't even answer the question. Yeah,
00:34:59.409 --> 00:35:01.610
that's weird. And it gets back to what we were
00:35:01.610 --> 00:35:04.050
talking about, how the, you know, people need
00:35:04.050 --> 00:35:06.969
closure on something. They watch, if you watch
00:35:06.969 --> 00:35:09.469
something for two hours, you want to be able
00:35:09.469 --> 00:35:13.210
to have an answer at the end of who it was. Yeah,
00:35:13.230 --> 00:35:15.349
that gets back to the same thing. You want to
00:35:15.349 --> 00:35:20.550
have an outcome at the end. Definitely. And so
00:35:20.550 --> 00:35:31.190
do you have some inspiration for people who are
00:35:31.190 --> 00:35:36.889
wanting to be writers, et cetera? Yeah, for anyone
00:35:36.889 --> 00:35:40.480
who wants to be a writer. Get a part -time job?
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:47.280
No, but seriously, you know, for anyone to follow
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.360
their passion, I certainly encourage it. You
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.039
know, life's short. And if you're not doing something
00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:56.880
you really enjoy, you're truly passionate about,
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:00.539
you're missing out. If you want to be a writer,
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.880
just make sure you write every day. Make sure
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:06.530
you're... You work with an editor. That's very
00:36:06.530 --> 00:36:08.949
important, work with an editor. You can learn
00:36:08.949 --> 00:36:12.090
a lot from an editor. And, you know, there's
00:36:12.090 --> 00:36:14.110
different pathways for everyone. So, you know,
00:36:14.150 --> 00:36:18.369
there's self -publishing, traditional publishing.
00:36:18.590 --> 00:36:20.349
There's print -on -demand. There's all sorts
00:36:20.349 --> 00:36:24.849
of different methods of getting published. There
00:36:24.849 --> 00:36:31.030
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00:36:31.030 --> 00:36:34.449
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Podcast link in the show notes. Now let's get
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:13.739
back to the show. What's good for one person
00:37:13.739 --> 00:37:15.199
isn't necessarily good for the other. Everyone
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:18.840
has their own path they have to take. But yeah,
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:20.500
make sure you're writing a little bit every day.
00:37:21.860 --> 00:37:26.059
Don't rush into things. You know, don't just
00:37:26.059 --> 00:37:28.280
be so excited you want to get published that
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:30.400
you're just writing something and publishing
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:33.219
it just for the sake of publishing. Like I said,
00:37:33.260 --> 00:37:36.579
make sure you have an editor and not your mom
00:37:36.579 --> 00:37:38.900
or your dad or someone. Make sure it's, you know,
00:37:38.940 --> 00:37:41.659
someone neutral, someone who's a professional
00:37:41.659 --> 00:37:43.219
in the business who knows what they're doing
00:37:43.219 --> 00:37:45.699
because that's very important. That's always
00:37:45.699 --> 00:37:49.940
my biggest piece of advice for writers is make
00:37:49.940 --> 00:37:58.500
sure you work with an editor. Makes sense. Like
00:37:58.500 --> 00:38:09.340
when I edit my blog posts, I use a tool called
00:38:09.340 --> 00:38:12.420
Grammarly. And no, this is not an advertisement
00:38:12.420 --> 00:38:16.300
for them, promise. I get nothing from them saying
00:38:16.300 --> 00:38:21.460
this. But I use it because... I think it's like
00:38:21.460 --> 00:38:28.440
97 % accurate. And even if I... Yeah, I say 97
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:33.360
% because at least it's... It's not professional,
00:38:33.519 --> 00:38:40.380
but it gets the job done. I might miss a word
00:38:40.380 --> 00:38:44.280
here and there, but it's not like it's terribly
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:47.719
written to a... point to a point where no one
00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:49.900
gets a gist of the idea of what the article is
00:38:49.900 --> 00:38:53.940
about uh and i always make sure that it's nothing
00:38:53.940 --> 00:38:57.340
that bad if it's horribly written i'm scrapping
00:38:57.340 --> 00:39:03.460
it i have a rule and i have morals it was bad
00:39:03.460 --> 00:39:08.659
scrapping like i i have a like 2000 i had posts
00:39:08.659 --> 00:39:12.079
from 2017 that was terribly written and i'm scrapping
00:39:12.079 --> 00:39:15.769
i'm just going back rewriting the whole thing,
00:39:15.929 --> 00:39:19.630
writing new content to add to it, getting rid
00:39:19.630 --> 00:39:23.469
of the old one. Yeah, makes sense. Then are you
00:39:23.469 --> 00:39:31.289
going to exist anymore? But, yeah. Who are your
00:39:31.289 --> 00:39:34.789
favorite authors? Oh, gosh, I have many of them.
00:39:36.969 --> 00:39:42.210
Let's see. Greg Isles, Michael Conley. Of course,
00:39:42.210 --> 00:39:44.750
I read James Patterson, David Baldacci, Harlan
00:39:44.750 --> 00:39:50.170
Coben. I know I'm going to miss a bunch. Linwood
00:39:50.170 --> 00:39:55.690
Barclay is good. You know, I don't really pick
00:39:55.690 --> 00:39:58.989
one author and just read all their stuff. You
00:39:58.989 --> 00:40:03.789
know, I read a mix. Lisa Gardner, I read a mix
00:40:03.789 --> 00:40:07.340
of authors. Yeah, I'm always looking for books
00:40:07.340 --> 00:40:09.940
when my local library, you know, they sell used
00:40:09.940 --> 00:40:12.860
books. So I have, you know, I also have a library
00:40:12.860 --> 00:40:17.480
card that I get library books out. So, yeah,
00:40:17.539 --> 00:40:19.780
I'm always looking for different authors that
00:40:19.780 --> 00:40:23.400
I can support and new authors that, you know,
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:26.079
that need our support. So I'm always looking
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:30.579
for new and different authors for sure. So one
00:40:30.579 --> 00:40:36.949
of the questions that I thought of, when I wanted
00:40:36.949 --> 00:40:40.349
to ask. And just out of curiosity, and if you
00:40:40.349 --> 00:40:44.329
don't know, that's fine. Just out of curiosity,
00:40:44.510 --> 00:40:47.190
how does one get on the New York Times bestselling
00:40:47.190 --> 00:40:52.150
author list? Jeez, I wish I knew. I don't know.
00:40:52.230 --> 00:40:57.469
It has to do with how many books of yours are
00:40:57.469 --> 00:41:00.150
sold within a certain amount of time. I don't
00:41:00.150 --> 00:41:03.579
know the exact number. He might be able to Google
00:41:03.579 --> 00:41:06.000
and figure it out, but I don't know how they
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:08.639
figure out the exact number you have to sell
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:14.460
in a certain amount of time. So, you know, if
00:41:14.460 --> 00:41:23.019
you sell, you know, a thousand books, it depends.
00:41:23.079 --> 00:41:24.940
If you do that in a day, you probably get on
00:41:24.940 --> 00:41:26.679
the bestseller. But if you do it within a week,
00:41:26.860 --> 00:41:28.920
you probably wouldn't. Right. Even though it's
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.670
the same amount of books. So it goes by how many
00:41:31.670 --> 00:41:35.090
books in a certain amount of time. I don't know
00:41:35.090 --> 00:41:40.630
the exact numbers though. So here's what it says.
00:41:41.369 --> 00:41:46.769
According to Google, you need 5 ,000 copies during
00:41:46.769 --> 00:41:50.769
any one week period is the minimum. But they
00:41:50.769 --> 00:41:53.070
said that they would recommend 10 ,000 to be
00:41:53.070 --> 00:41:56.389
sure. 10 ,000 in a week. That's a lot of votes.
00:41:57.989 --> 00:42:01.230
Come on, New York Times. Come on, you got a lot
00:42:01.230 --> 00:42:08.329
of that expectation. At least Luke Murphy doesn't
00:42:08.329 --> 00:42:12.909
seem to be a robot. That's what makes it such
00:42:12.909 --> 00:42:17.710
a prestigious honor, right? It shows what level
00:42:17.710 --> 00:42:21.050
you're at to make that list. I think one day
00:42:21.050 --> 00:42:23.030
you're going to be on that list. Well, thank
00:42:23.030 --> 00:42:26.909
you, Jimmy. I hope you're right. You know, maybe
00:42:26.909 --> 00:42:29.590
I can start tweeting to the New York Times and
00:42:29.590 --> 00:42:33.309
tell them. Perfect. I'm good at being pain in
00:42:33.309 --> 00:42:38.250
the butt. Come on. No, I don't think I would
00:42:38.250 --> 00:42:42.369
want that engraved on my tombstone. No. Jimmy
00:42:42.369 --> 00:42:44.570
Clear, pain in the butt. Also known as Crazy
00:42:44.570 --> 00:42:50.409
Fitness Guy. No, I don't like it. But you can
00:42:50.409 --> 00:42:54.469
put the Crazy Fitness Guy part there. That I'll
00:42:54.469 --> 00:43:09.070
go with. Does your family support you and your
00:43:09.070 --> 00:43:14.789
books? My dad's a big reader, so him and his
00:43:14.789 --> 00:43:16.489
wife, they always buy my books when they come
00:43:16.489 --> 00:43:23.119
out. My wife is not a reader. But, you know,
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:25.639
they support in other ways, right? So, you know,
00:43:25.639 --> 00:43:27.519
they'll give me free time to write, and she'll
00:43:27.519 --> 00:43:31.380
take the kids and do stuff with them. And, you
00:43:31.380 --> 00:43:34.860
know, she promotes my books on social media,
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:37.039
and she sells them. She has her own clothing
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.539
store, and she sells my books in her store. Yeah,
00:43:40.659 --> 00:43:44.079
so my whole community, actually, I'm in a small
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.199
town of about 1 ,200 people, and they're just
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:50.909
very supportive. You know, whether it's through
00:43:50.909 --> 00:43:53.809
social media or through selling my books in stores
00:43:53.809 --> 00:43:57.650
or, you know, local newspapers, local radio,
00:43:57.789 --> 00:44:00.329
they're always quick to give me a shout out,
00:44:00.349 --> 00:44:02.889
you know, as an announcement or whatever. But
00:44:02.889 --> 00:44:05.730
yeah, so I'm very fortunate to be surrounded
00:44:05.730 --> 00:44:09.070
by a lot of very supportive people. That's amazing.
00:44:09.969 --> 00:44:14.860
I'm definitely hoping, sorry. I'm definitely
00:44:14.860 --> 00:44:17.840
hoping that this interview will help you along
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:23.840
the way as well. I do have 73 YouTube subscribers.
00:44:25.099 --> 00:44:28.179
I don't know how active they are in viewing this,
00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:35.000
but taking a look at the analytics, I saw one
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:38.579
episode that they watched all the way through,
00:44:38.719 --> 00:44:41.219
and it's like... Gee, I can't even watch myself
00:44:41.219 --> 00:44:44.119
that long. I can't even listen to my voice that
00:44:44.119 --> 00:44:47.360
long. Yeah, well, all publicity is good publicity,
00:44:47.579 --> 00:44:51.360
right? So I'm grateful for anyone who takes the
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.079
time to interview me or have me on their show
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.039
or take the time to talk about my books. I'm
00:44:57.039 --> 00:45:00.579
certainly grateful for you too, Jimmy, to do
00:45:00.579 --> 00:45:04.340
this for me. Definitely. And like I said to you
00:45:04.340 --> 00:45:09.699
on Twitter yesterday, You're always welcome on
00:45:09.699 --> 00:45:16.380
the show whenever, wherever, and whatnot. I'm
00:45:16.380 --> 00:45:20.619
always grateful to have you on and meeting you
00:45:20.619 --> 00:45:23.699
on. I think every time I speak to you, I feel
00:45:23.699 --> 00:45:25.699
like I'm being a celebrity for the first time.
00:45:27.739 --> 00:45:29.900
Well, I'm definitely not a celebrity, that's
00:45:29.900 --> 00:45:33.219
for sure. You should be a celebrity. Oh, thank
00:45:33.219 --> 00:45:38.739
you. Because you're enjoyable to talk to. I don't
00:45:38.739 --> 00:45:43.420
think I've ever met an official celebrity, but
00:45:43.420 --> 00:45:47.960
you're very close to it. Well, thank you. I don't
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:50.400
think I've ever met a real celebrity either.
00:45:51.659 --> 00:45:54.059
Well, maybe I'll become one one day. There you
00:45:54.059 --> 00:45:58.199
go. And then I can say I know a celebrity. I
00:45:58.199 --> 00:46:03.480
buy all the books from you. Keep you in business.
00:46:04.019 --> 00:46:10.590
There you go. So just out of curiosity, is there
00:46:10.590 --> 00:46:12.550
going to be another Charlene Taylor novel coming
00:46:12.550 --> 00:46:20.550
out? I don't really know in terms of future books.
00:46:20.789 --> 00:46:24.750
I just kind of go with the flow. I usually kind
00:46:24.750 --> 00:46:28.010
of let my readers decide. I usually send a survey
00:46:28.010 --> 00:46:32.250
out after my book's published. So in a couple
00:46:32.250 --> 00:46:33.750
of weeks, I'll probably send out a survey to
00:46:33.750 --> 00:46:38.360
see what... readers want to read right so it's
00:46:38.360 --> 00:46:40.559
only fair that they're paying for my book so
00:46:40.559 --> 00:46:43.239
it's fair that they get a say in what you know
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:46.320
they read or what they want to see um so i usually
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:48.320
send that out and see what they say i always
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:51.659
have a few ideas in mind of you know what i want
00:46:51.659 --> 00:46:54.280
for charlene or calvin or maybe something new
00:46:54.280 --> 00:46:59.260
um but i do do the survey and and see kind of
00:46:59.260 --> 00:47:02.599
gauge what my readers would like to see in the
00:47:02.599 --> 00:47:07.760
future Yeah, every time I picture, somehow when
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:11.599
you come up with ideas, I can only see you having
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:17.280
a stack of paper somewhere, maybe in a secret
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:21.880
vault in a wall. And it's like, no one's going
00:47:21.880 --> 00:47:27.019
to find the stash of ideas that I have. Oh, yes.
00:47:27.079 --> 00:47:29.860
I wish I had a stack in a secret vault like that.
00:47:32.280 --> 00:47:37.389
Yeah. So do I. The only thing I'll spoil on my
00:47:37.389 --> 00:47:41.269
end, I do have a list of blog posts and podcast
00:47:41.269 --> 00:47:45.090
topics that I never ever used for the podcast
00:47:45.090 --> 00:47:48.449
topics because I have so many guests on. But
00:47:48.449 --> 00:47:51.750
for my blog posts, I do have just a list of topics.
00:47:51.829 --> 00:47:54.050
It's not even just, it's not even like fully
00:47:54.050 --> 00:47:57.230
written. It's just like a checklist just to check
00:47:57.230 --> 00:48:01.269
it off when I'm done. It's like done or crossed
00:48:01.269 --> 00:48:05.280
off. Don't even want to do it. That's the only
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:11.159
thing I'll admit. I mean, there's not even much
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.239
to go on. It's just an idea that I just had,
00:48:14.340 --> 00:48:18.300
or I saw someone else's idea on that topic, but
00:48:18.300 --> 00:48:20.920
then I came up with some different angle. It's
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:23.539
like some absurd different angle. And it's like,
00:48:23.619 --> 00:48:27.860
this is the bad, I don't know. I didn't have
00:48:27.860 --> 00:48:35.070
a good idea for it. So where can people find
00:48:35.070 --> 00:48:40.929
your new book? So the new book so far is available
00:48:40.929 --> 00:48:45.489
in e -book and paperback and eventually in the
00:48:45.489 --> 00:48:48.550
next couple weeks, audio. And they can be found
00:48:48.550 --> 00:48:53.079
on Amazon. the ebook paperback and the auto book
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:56.219
on Amazon. And you know what? I don't know what
00:48:56.219 --> 00:48:58.719
bookstores carry them. I have no say in what
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:00.960
they carry. So they'll order in whatever books
00:49:00.960 --> 00:49:02.800
they want. So you'd have to check your local
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bookstore, but they can always order them in
00:49:05.219 --> 00:49:08.820
if they don't have copies. So yeah, Amazon is
00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:12.860
always your best bet. Yeah. Gosh, darn bookstores.
00:49:13.099 --> 00:49:16.159
Yeah. They need to make a special shelf for you.
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Well, you know, they have limited shelf space,
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so they want to make sure they bring in books
00:49:21.230 --> 00:49:23.050
they know will sell. So they usually bring in,
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you know, the big -name authors like we mentioned,
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Patterson, Stephen King, and those authors that
00:49:28.329 --> 00:49:30.230
they know are going to sell. And, you know, they're
00:49:30.230 --> 00:49:32.250
less likely to take a chance on someone like
00:49:32.250 --> 00:49:34.429
Luke Murphy who they're not sure is going to
00:49:34.429 --> 00:49:37.210
sell, right? So I totally understand that, but
00:49:37.210 --> 00:49:39.909
you just got to keep grinding away, and hopefully
00:49:39.909 --> 00:49:42.090
someday, you know, you'll be on that bookshelf.
00:49:42.969 --> 00:49:48.039
I think if... Monday, if I ever climb up to the
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:50.239
very top of the ladder where people start listening
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:54.300
to me, I'm making that request. I like it. I'll
00:49:54.300 --> 00:49:58.860
put you in every bookstore. Perfect. I wish I
00:49:58.860 --> 00:50:03.659
had more people like you, Jimmy. I'm sure you
00:50:03.659 --> 00:50:07.920
probably have a lot of people. More than me.
00:50:09.699 --> 00:50:15.900
Low bar. Anyway, where can people find you and
00:50:15.900 --> 00:50:22.400
follow you? Yeah, so in terms of social media,
00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:24.679
so I do have a website. It's authorlukemurphy
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:29.900
.com. And my social media, Twitter is authorlmurphy.
00:50:30.099 --> 00:50:32.699
And Facebook and Instagram is authorlukemurphy.
00:50:32.820 --> 00:50:36.539
So just if you Google authorlukemurphy, all of
00:50:36.539 --> 00:50:39.239
those should come up. Yeah, he even has a knowledge
00:50:39.239 --> 00:50:43.929
graph in Google. He's legit. Oh, wow. i didn't
00:50:43.929 --> 00:50:47.070
know that yeah remember i sent you the article
00:50:47.070 --> 00:50:52.389
oh yeah yeah that's right yeah i was jealous
00:50:52.389 --> 00:50:57.449
oh it'll come jimmy it'll come i mean the reason
00:50:57.449 --> 00:51:01.989
i was i was jealous because uh like um i mean
00:51:01.989 --> 00:51:05.690
like like yours were so organized it's like in
00:51:05.690 --> 00:51:08.880
google's like trying to figure out who me and
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:13.400
Crazy Fitness Guy is. I'm one person. Though
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:20.119
I did split them up for two good reasons. When
00:51:20.119 --> 00:51:24.480
I posted updates about Crazy Fitness Guy on Crazy
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:27.699
Fitness Guy profiles, no one gives a crap what
00:51:27.699 --> 00:51:30.659
I said on Crazy Fitness Guy. But when I posted
00:51:30.659 --> 00:51:32.659
on my own profiles, people were like, oh, congratulations.
00:51:33.139 --> 00:51:37.820
It's like, oh, now you care. There you go. Yeah.
00:51:38.000 --> 00:51:41.920
People didn't want one more brand. I mean, like,
00:51:41.940 --> 00:51:44.900
because sometimes you see on social media brands
00:51:44.900 --> 00:51:48.260
talking about them, their own selves and saying
00:51:48.260 --> 00:51:51.980
like, Hey, we just reached this many, this new
00:51:51.980 --> 00:51:55.500
milestone. And people like, yeah, whatever. But
00:51:55.500 --> 00:51:57.719
when you've had the real person behind the scenes,
00:51:57.739 --> 00:52:01.900
it's like, congratulations. And like, I don't
00:52:01.900 --> 00:52:08.400
know. Marketing. I only took three marketing
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:12.320
classes in college and a marketing course online
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:16.239
that I took in my own spare time. So I do know
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.639
what I'm sort of talking about. I wouldn't say
00:52:18.639 --> 00:52:23.079
I'm a master. And I've learned a lot from your
00:52:23.079 --> 00:52:29.059
social media platforms. You're the master. I
00:52:29.059 --> 00:52:33.559
don't know about that, but thank you. Well, it
00:52:33.559 --> 00:53:04.239
was great to talk to you. And so much more. Become
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notes. Now let's get back to the show. And I'm
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:28.539
glad that your new book is out. Has it been doing
00:53:28.539 --> 00:53:33.199
well? Yeah, they all do about the same. You know,
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:36.679
you hope that that one will take off, but, you
00:53:36.679 --> 00:53:39.480
know, it's a marathon, not a sprint. You got
00:53:39.480 --> 00:53:42.059
to, you know, keep going and keep grinding and
00:53:42.059 --> 00:53:46.340
hope that someday something big happens. Well,
00:53:46.460 --> 00:53:48.679
I'm definitely looking forward to reading your
00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:58.849
book. And before we end this episode, If you
00:53:58.849 --> 00:54:01.409
don't mind, could you wait a few minutes before
00:54:01.409 --> 00:54:06.190
the episode ends so I can send you off with just
00:54:06.190 --> 00:54:15.030
whatever. Yeah, sure. And so I'm glad you were
00:54:15.030 --> 00:54:17.809
able to come back. And like I said, you're always
00:54:17.809 --> 00:54:21.050
welcome to come back. And I'm definitely going
00:54:21.050 --> 00:54:24.679
to. I think once I finish this book, I'm reading
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:29.780
yours right afterwards. And I'm going to write
00:54:29.780 --> 00:54:32.800
a review about it on my website as well. Perfect.
00:54:32.840 --> 00:54:34.420
Well, thank you for having me, Jimmy. It's always
00:54:34.420 --> 00:54:37.579
a pleasure to be on your show. Definitely. And
00:54:37.579 --> 00:54:42.079
whenever your next book comes out, you'll come
00:54:42.079 --> 00:54:49.440
back on. Sounds good. Definitely. So that's all
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:53.139
for today for Crazy Fitness Guys, a live stream
00:54:53.139 --> 00:54:57.579
and podcast, a healthy living podcast. I hope
00:54:57.579 --> 00:55:02.239
you enjoyed it. And it's a truly honor to know
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:06.019
Luke Murphy and his amazing books. And if you
00:55:06.019 --> 00:55:10.820
haven't checked out his books, go to check out
00:55:10.820 --> 00:55:14.159
his books on Amazon and all your local bookstores
00:55:14.159 --> 00:55:19.530
and libraries, et cetera. you'll be blown away.
00:55:20.070 --> 00:55:26.909
And one of the things I like to quote, I always
00:55:26.909 --> 00:55:31.889
joke with him, and he said to me, he's like,
00:55:31.969 --> 00:55:35.070
well, I don't have James Patterson money. He's
00:55:35.070 --> 00:55:36.670
like, no, you don't want his money. You want
00:55:36.670 --> 00:55:40.929
Mark Zuckerberg's money. His money never seems
00:55:40.929 --> 00:55:46.059
to run out. It's just a little joke, anyway.
00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:50.400
But yeah, he's the real deal. Go check out his
00:55:50.400 --> 00:55:54.980
books. And to follow him on social media, it's
00:55:54.980 --> 00:55:58.739
authorlukeallamurphy on all of his platforms.
00:55:59.619 --> 00:56:04.659
And his website is authorallamurphy .com. And
00:56:04.659 --> 00:56:09.300
I highly recommend the read. You know, I think
00:56:09.300 --> 00:56:16.000
I should create a nice... list on my website
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.179
says must read books and he's going to be the
00:56:19.179 --> 00:56:22.900
first one on my website I don't know maybe I
00:56:22.900 --> 00:56:27.159
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