Making a Living as a Writer: Author Career & Pro Writing Tips with Luke Murphy

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guys, I got a really great episode for you today.

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I'm talking to an awesome author who's a New

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York Times bestselling author. I just read his

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latest book. I have to say he's one of the most

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funniest people I've seen on Twitter by far.

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And he's like one of the most, I look up to him

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as a writer, in my opinion. And I think you'll

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see his person, well, hear his personality in

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this episode. Welcome, Luke Murphy, to the Healthy

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Living with Gracie Fitness Guys podcast. Well,

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thanks for having me, Jimmy, and thanks for that

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introduction. Unfortunately, my wife doesn't

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think I'm that funny, maybe because I'm using

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her as the blunt of most of my jokes on Twitter,

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but thanks for that introduction. I'm really

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happy to be here with you. I have to say, I was

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not expecting that ending to your latest book.

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I'm not going to say any spoilers, but oh my

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goodness. Yeah, I've gotten quite a bit of feedback.

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I believe you're talking about Rockabye Baby,

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which is the book I published last year, and

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it's book two in the Charlene Taylor series.

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That book, I just kind of wrote. I didn't really

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plan it out. It just kind of went, go with the

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flow. And, you know, the ending was interesting.

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I had a couple of different endings, but my editors

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and I agreed on that ending. And I've gotten

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a lot of positive feedback, which is nice. At

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least you can share me. Are you going to make

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another book? Yes, I'm definitely going to write

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more Charlene Taylor novels. The book that's

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coming out this summer actually has a combination

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of my two protagonists from my two series, Calvin

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Waters and Charlene Taylor. They're actually

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going to be in the same book working together.

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So it's going to be interesting. It should be

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out in July. And I'm actually looking forward

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to hearing the feedback from that. I actually

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read a book that basically did the same thing.

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Actually, no. James Patterson did the same thing.

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He created a new kind of novel for, not a novel,

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but another book with a younger detective working

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with Alex Cross. I really liked the ending. I

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was not expecting that kind of ending. Well,

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thank you very much. I think as As an author,

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you kind of want to be able to throw readers

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off a bit and hope to give them a little bit

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of surprise, a little bit of shock. And that

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comes with the whole emotions with reading a

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book and getting inside the characters and following

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them and cheering for them. And so you hope to

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invoke some emotions like that from readers for

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sure. And James Patterson, I love his books too.

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They're quick and they're fun and they're always

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entertaining. I think I read your book in like

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literally three days. Maybe four. That's always

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a good sign for an author. Except for this one

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book. I like this one. There are so many ads

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notes. Now let's get back to the show. Have you

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ever met – his name is Anthony Horowitz. He writes

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Alex Rider books. I've heard of him, but I've

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never read any of them. I'm reading his current

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book right now, and I like it so far. But I've

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been – I was meaning to read a lot this weekend,

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but I've been busy working my butt off, unfortunately.

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Yeah, sometimes. Sometimes, unfortunately, life

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gets in the way when we want to be reading a

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book, but there's other priorities to take care

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of first. I'm just curious, how did you become

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a writer anyway? Well, you know, I've always

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been a reader, and I think that's kind of where

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it started out. My mother was a librarian. I

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spent a lot of days in the library after school

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and I always liked reading mystery novels. The

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Hardy Boys were my first books. And so I always

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was an avid reader. Never really thought much

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about writing when I was a kid. And then when

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I got hurt in hockey and I had all this free

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time, my wife, she was my girlfriend at the time,

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she was in college and she asked if I would help

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her with an assignment, which was to write a

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short story. And so we kind of, you know, got

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together and created these characters in a setting

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and a plot and everything. And I just enjoyed

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it so much that I took one of the characters

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we created together and, you know, I started

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to write a new story with it. And the next thing

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I knew, I had a complete manuscript, which I

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didn't do anything with. I wrote two manuscripts

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before I even decided to get serious and write

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with the intention of being published. When I

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first started out, I knew I wasn't ready. I was

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a diamond in the rough, I guess you could call

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it. It was pretty rough, my work. So you had

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years of practicing and researching before you

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even think about writing with the idea of being

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published. That sounds interesting because I

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know that feeling. When I started at Crazy Fitness

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Guy, I didn't really think I was going to. I

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didn't think I was going to get any readers,

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but after I think I'm, I'm in my third year now

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and I've picked up like 700 visitors and readers

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in a month. Yeah, it's, it's pretty amazing.

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You don't, you know, especially with social media

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now when you can, you can get readers from all

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over the world and you can interact with them

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and it's so much fun meeting new people. And

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like yourself, I mean, you just start writing

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and you never know where it's going to go. It's

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fun to kind of sit back and, you know, think

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about, oh, remember when I started a few years

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ago and how far I've come. And it's pretty amazing.

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If you watch the progression, I'm sure if you

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think of your own writing from day one to now,

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and it's been a pretty incredible hill you've

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climbed, I bet. You don't even know how steep

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that hill is. I think it's probably, I have to

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say, a very, very, very big mountain, a very

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steep mountain. Oh, well, I bet. Yeah, and that's

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the thing. Everyone's mountain is different,

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right? Some are steeper than others. Some are

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longer than others. Some are bumpier than others.

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You know, we do what we can with what we have.

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And you know what? You have obviously succeeded,

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so a lot of credit to you. And, you know, we

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keep climbing that hill until there's no hill

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left, and you just keep reaching for the stars.

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I was just wondering, what inspired the Charlene

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Taylor's series anyway? Probably the inspiration

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for Charlene Taylor was when I first started

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thinking about Charlene, I was reading a lot

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of James Patterson's women detective series.

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The Women's Murder Club books had just come out.

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They were really growing, and it seemed that

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female detective protagonists were, you know,

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really popular at that time. And for me, my whole

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life, I've just been surrounded by women. I mean,

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I've had two sisters growing up, and I have three

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daughters, and, you know, going to all the sports,

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you're hanging out with all the moms at these

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sports. And so I've been surrounded by women

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my whole life. So it kind of made it a little

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easier to write from a woman's point of view.

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the idea to have a female detective as my main

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protagonist probably stemmed from James Patterson's

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Women's Murder Club because I remember I read

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the very first one that came out with Detective

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Lindsay Boxer and I read a few after that. But

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his books definitely inspired me to write from

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a woman's perspective. And yeah, it's just taken

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off from there. I can't really decide. Should

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I feel sorry for you that you've been surrounding?

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I feel sorry for myself sometimes. It's a lot

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of estrogen in my house, I'll tell you. The teenage

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years aren't going to be fun, Jimmy. I might

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have to escape and rent a bachelor pad somewhere.

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But it's been a lot of fun. I mean, the girls

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keep me on my toes. They're still young, and

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there's always something going on. But I'm thinking

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there might be a lot of dram in the teen years

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for me to look forward to, that's for sure. You

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should, you'd probably be happy to know that

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years ago when I was going through those teenager

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years, glad you probably wouldn't have met me

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because holy crap, I was a big issue for my parents.

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Well, I'm sure that teenage boys and girls are

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completely opposite ends of the spectrum. And

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I was a teenage boy once, so I know what I went

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through. But it's going to be a whole different

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animal to be raising teenage girls. That's for

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sure. You know what? I'm going to have to buy

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a shotgun for the boyfriends when they come around,

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I guess. Well, just take some karate lessons.

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Why not? There you go. Maybe you can teach me

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something. I wouldn't say I'm pretty good. Maybe

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pretty good. I wouldn't want to toot my own horn.

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Out of all the series that you have written so

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far, what do you think is your favorite one and

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why? Oh, gosh, Jimmy, that's a tough question.

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That's like asking me who my favorite kid is.

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I mean, I could probably answer you, but my wife

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wouldn't be very happy if I did. It depends on

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my mood, I guess, and how well behaved the kids

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are. But, you know, it's funny. A lot of people

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question me because I'm, you know, I'm a white

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male and my two series are writing from an African

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-American male and the other ones. So as a white

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male, I don't have any white male protagonists.

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But you know what? It's a very tough question

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because Charlene Taylor was my first character

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I ever created. So she's close to my heart. But

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Calvin Waters was so much fun to create that.

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I took a lot of me with him, even though I'm

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not 6 '5", 240 -pound black man. A lot of my

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athletic background, my sports background is

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in him. The way he thinks going through career

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-ending injuries like I did. So I can't really

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answer that for you, Jimmy. I don't really have

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a favorite, but it's just really fun to write

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from both of them. I don't I don't think I have

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a preference. And it's pretty neat because Calvin

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seems my male readers seem to really respond

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to Calvin. And then my female readers really

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respond to Charlene. So it's kind of like I have

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the best of both worlds while I'm writing. I

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have to say, in my opinion, I really I would

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have to say I really like Charlene because like

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she reminds me kind of like me just. She doesn't

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take no for an answer. Oh, she's definitely hardheaded.

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And there's been a lot of women like that in

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my life. So I was used to that. But yeah, it's

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it's fun because my characters are so real. I

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mean, if. You know, I don't write them where

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they're perfect, where, you know, they're invincible.

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They know everything. They can do everything.

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I try to write real characters that people can

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relate to. You know, they have their problems.

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They have their setbacks. They have, you know,

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they have emotional problems. They go through

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some of the same things that we go through every

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day. And that's what's fun to follow these characters

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because you really get a feel. feel for them

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because you can relate to them because they're

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not perfect right they're human they're they're

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real human beings that make mistakes and learn

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from them and so so that's kind of what's fun

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for a reader too uh what would you say uh like

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do you uh how did you uh as a writer do you think

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uh Is it hard for you to ever like sit down and

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write these books that you write? The hardest

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thing for me, Jimmy, is finding the time. I only

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write part time. I'm a full time high school

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teacher. I tutor on the side part time. I ref

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hockey and I have three kids who are involved

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in everything. So I coach sports. You know, I'm

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traveling all the time, driving them from different

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different events. So really the hardest part

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is finding time. So whenever I'm not in front

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of the computer typing, that's when I'm kind

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of doing my thinking and my plotting out so that

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when I do have, you know, the one or two hours

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late at night when everyone's gone to bed, I

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can sit down and look at my notes and just write.

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I don't have to sit there with writer's block

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and think, oh, my God, what am I going to write?

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So as a part -time writer. It's kind of there's

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good things about it and bad things about it.

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The bad thing, obviously, I don't get much time

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to write because of other jobs and priorities.

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But the good thing is I don't worry about writer's

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block. I don't set deadlines for myself or writing

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goals for myself. If I get a chance to write,

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great. If I don't. I don't stress out over it.

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As I said, I don't have any deadlines from agents

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or publishers or, you know, you have to have

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so many words a day or so many words an hour.

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That's one of the good things about it. But the

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bad thing is I'd love to be able to write more.

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I'd love for this to be my full time job for

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me to make enough money where that's my sole

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income. I don't need another job. But right now,

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you know, I only have four books published. So

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it's tough to really. really get some momentum

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and money coming in until you have a bunch of

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more books. I definitely know how that feels.

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I would like to have podcasting and my website

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making money for me and everything as my full

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-time job. Heck, I can't even work for Uber this

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summer because of the coronavirus. Yeah, this

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coronavirus has really thrown everything for

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a loop, and it's all over the world. Nobody knows

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what to expect. Nobody knows what to do. All

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we can do is follow guidelines given by our government,

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and everyone talks about our new normal, and

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who knows how long it's going to be here with

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no vaccine yet. So it's certainly strange times

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for everybody. Yeah, and like you were saying

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about your podcast, yeah, you know how long it

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takes and how much work there is to put into

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it to kind of grow these things, right? You're

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starting from scratch. I started from scratch.

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It takes a long time. It's a grind. And, you

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know, all we can do is hope a lot of it comes

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to luck, being in the right place at the right

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time. And, you know, we just do what we can and

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hope that things work out. And I have to say,

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you know, I thought I was a busy person, but

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after you told me that you're a full -time teacher

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and you do all this other stuff, now you make

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me look bad. Oh, don't feel bad at all. Yeah,

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it's certainly a busy life, and some days you've

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just got to kind of slow down and breathe a bit.

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But usually once the kids are in bed and, you

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know, 9 o 'clock at night, I might get a few

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hours to sit down and write. The problem is when

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you work in two or three jobs, you're kind of

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exhausted by that time. So some days it's just,

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you know, I want to go to bed early or just chill

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on the couch with my wife and watch TV or something.

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But if you really want something, you'll find

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the time for it. And I truly believe that a lot

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of nights I just I want, you know, to write so

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badly. And I want this to be something that goes

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on for a long time. I want to impress my readers.

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I want to keep. entertaining them and keep throwing

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out books for them so you're gonna fight through

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the tiredness and the exhaustion and all the

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other stuff going on and find the time to to

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do what you truly are passionate about i agree

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with you on that because uh i find myself there's

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some weeks where i absolutely know what i really

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want to write about my next blog post but then

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there's some days where I don't even know what

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I want to do. And then, but then I somehow, like

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after I read a different article written by somebody

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else, I might want to say, wow, now I really

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want to, now I really want to write something

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like along these kinds of lines of what somebody

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else wrote and written, but then put my own spin

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on it and twist. Yeah. You're, you know, you're

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fighting through. you're fighting through it

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and you know, you're finding ways to get through

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and finding ways to do what you really like to

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do. And that's, that's great. That's what everyone

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should, should find time for their passion. I

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know life is so busy right now and there's all,

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there's always so much going on, but people really

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need to follow their passion sometimes, even

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if it's just part time like us. I also, I also

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have to say, you know, Every time I look at all

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your tweets on Twitter. There are so many ads

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these days wherever you go. There are ads in

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notes. Now let's get back to the show. They make

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me laugh even when I'm having the most frustrating

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day in whatever I'm doing. It could just be from

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some email from a company, but then whatever

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I see when you ever post, I just love how all

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those treats are just kind of fun. I like the

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joke that you did. Was it Friday that you did

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that joke or Saturday? Which one? The one with

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the truck and then... About my six -year -old?

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I don't know if it was a six -year -old or was

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it the one with the... Yeah, maybe it was the

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six -year -old one. I don't remember. I was wondering

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if my six -year -old was traded at birth and

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I brought home the wrong child. No, it was the

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one who picked up the guy on the... Yeah. Oh,

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the hitchhiker. Well, you know what? And people

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are always saying to me, you know, thank you

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for the laugh or you made me smile. And you know

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what? Like I'm a goof on social media and I don't

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take social media seriously. You know, it should

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be, social media should be about having fun.

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Yeah. I'm on there to sell books, but you know

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what? I'm just on there to tell jokes and have

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fun and meet people and make people laugh and

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social media. There's too much seriousness going

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on in social media. There's too much crap and

00:24:05.670 --> 00:24:09.410
drama and things that go on. I don't take social

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media seriously. I'm there to have fun and I'm

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there to make people laugh and smile. Some days

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I hope I do, maybe some days I don't, but social

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media should be fun. Oftentimes there's a lot

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of negative things that surround social media,

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but I love Twitter. I've met so many great...

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people on twitter from all over the world and

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i just love interacting with readers and fans

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and stuff and like i said people should just

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have fun with social media and not take it so

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seriously sometimes people just going back and

00:24:39.119 --> 00:24:45.269
forth pointing fingers at each other Well, that's

00:24:45.269 --> 00:24:48.509
it. People air dirty laundry on there. And, you

00:24:48.509 --> 00:24:51.289
know, they kind of hide behind social media because

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they know they're not face to face with people.

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So they'll say whatever they want or, you know,

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even post things anonymously. And, you know,

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it's just too bad that there's so much negative

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attention to it because social media can be really

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fun and really positive at times. Here's another

00:25:05.890 --> 00:25:10.809
question for you. How would what would you what

00:25:10.809 --> 00:25:13.660
would. What would your advice be if somebody

00:25:13.660 --> 00:25:18.059
was starting out writing? What would your advice

00:25:18.059 --> 00:25:25.839
be for them and for them to continue? Yeah, I

00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:32.920
think that's the question. Yeah. Get a part -time

00:25:32.920 --> 00:25:36.380
job to pay the bills. No, I'm just kidding. You

00:25:36.380 --> 00:25:40.279
know, writing, it's like anything. It's a tough

00:25:40.279 --> 00:25:43.059
business. It's a competitive business. There's

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a lot of writers out there, a lot of people trying

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to make money from writing books. But you have

00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:50.220
to stick with it. You're going to get a lot of

00:25:50.220 --> 00:25:52.460
people saying no along the way. And no matter

00:25:52.460 --> 00:25:55.339
what path you decide is right for you, I mean,

00:25:55.359 --> 00:25:57.759
you could go self -publishing. You could go the

00:25:57.759 --> 00:25:59.720
traditional route. You can go print on demand.

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There's so many different ways to go. Whatever

00:26:02.059 --> 00:26:04.480
is the right way for you. There's going to be

00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:07.319
people trying to drag you down, giving you negative

00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:10.259
comments, whether it's Amazon reviews or agents

00:26:10.259 --> 00:26:14.039
or publishers or editors. You know, you just

00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:16.119
got to fight through those. You got to have thick

00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:20.279
skin. You've got to be patient because it's a

00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:23.859
very slow moving process from going from writing

00:26:23.859 --> 00:26:29.640
to editing to publishing to marketing. Grow thick

00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:33.299
skin, okay? Don't let people drag you down. Don't

00:26:33.299 --> 00:26:37.740
take no for an answer. And just try to write

00:26:37.740 --> 00:26:39.880
a little bit every day if you can. Even if it's

00:26:39.880 --> 00:26:43.039
100, 200 words, try to write a little bit every

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day. Work on your craft. Writing is so important.

00:26:47.220 --> 00:26:50.559
And a big thing I try to tell most writers is

00:26:50.559 --> 00:26:53.140
you really should work with an editor. I know

00:26:53.140 --> 00:26:57.240
it can be expensive, but I really advise writers,

00:26:57.380 --> 00:27:00.279
save up money. Because you'll want to work with

00:27:00.279 --> 00:27:03.160
an editor. Those people are professionals. They

00:27:03.160 --> 00:27:04.799
know what they're doing. They've been through

00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:08.339
it before. And it really will grow you as a writer.

00:27:08.460 --> 00:27:11.559
I know I worked with a very strong editor in

00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:14.059
New York City when I started, when I wrote Dead

00:27:14.059 --> 00:27:16.960
Man's Hand. And I saved up for a year. I saved

00:27:16.960 --> 00:27:18.660
thousands of dollars because I knew I wanted

00:27:18.660 --> 00:27:20.740
to work. And I was lucky enough to work with

00:27:20.740 --> 00:27:27.789
this guy. And he has taught me so much. that

00:27:27.789 --> 00:27:31.029
I've taken that onto other books. You know, I've

00:27:31.029 --> 00:27:33.410
only worked the one book with them, but all those

00:27:33.410 --> 00:27:35.210
lessons he taught me, it's almost like taking

00:27:35.210 --> 00:27:37.529
a course in a school, working with an editor.

00:27:37.609 --> 00:27:39.930
So the thousands of dollars you would pay on

00:27:39.930 --> 00:27:42.730
a course, you know, think about, I'm going to

00:27:42.730 --> 00:27:44.950
put that into an editor and you're going to learn

00:27:44.950 --> 00:27:47.329
the whole, the whole time and all along the way.

00:27:47.390 --> 00:27:49.690
And you can take those lessons you learned from

00:27:49.690 --> 00:27:52.109
that editor and work on your next books with

00:27:52.109 --> 00:27:54.210
them. And that's exactly what I did. Just curiosity,

00:27:54.349 --> 00:27:59.619
how much does an editor cost? They're all different,

00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:02.039
and it depends what kind of editing you want

00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:06.519
done. There's line editing. You could edit for

00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:11.859
content. You could just do like a spell check

00:28:11.859 --> 00:28:14.339
type thing, like a proofreader. There's all sorts

00:28:14.339 --> 00:28:16.500
of different. It depends how in -depth you want

00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:20.400
to go. Obviously, content editing would be the

00:28:20.400 --> 00:28:24.299
most costly because they're looking at your content

00:28:24.299 --> 00:28:27.210
and talking about. you know, does this character

00:28:27.210 --> 00:28:29.490
work or would this character do this here? Or

00:28:29.490 --> 00:28:32.309
does this plot make sense? Those types of things.

00:28:32.450 --> 00:28:35.910
But you can get any, I mean, all editors go for

00:28:35.910 --> 00:28:39.750
different prices. So I advise, you know, I can

00:28:39.750 --> 00:28:43.690
send writers to websites to look and hunt for

00:28:43.690 --> 00:28:48.430
deals that work for them. But yeah, you definitely

00:28:48.430 --> 00:28:52.220
need to get a quote. maybe get send them one

00:28:52.220 --> 00:28:54.740
chapter and see what kind of job they do to know

00:28:54.740 --> 00:28:58.500
if that's what you're looking for yeah so there's

00:28:58.500 --> 00:29:01.099
there's just so many editors that And there's

00:29:01.099 --> 00:29:03.039
so many different prices. I can't tell you exactly

00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:06.319
how much you would spend. And then, again, it

00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.480
depends how much editing your manuscript needs,

00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:11.319
right? Some need a lot. Some need very little.

00:29:11.460 --> 00:29:15.480
So, Jimmy, I can't give you an exact price. It's

00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:19.200
all different. Maybe we could both agree on maybe

00:29:19.200 --> 00:29:26.880
they're cheaper than lawyers. Well, knock on

00:29:26.880 --> 00:29:28.720
wood, I've been fortunate. I've never had to

00:29:28.720 --> 00:29:32.279
use a lawyer yet. So, yeah, I would imagine they're

00:29:32.279 --> 00:29:34.779
definitely cheaper than lawyers. I've used many.

00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:39.799
I used a lawyer before and that's not cheap at

00:29:39.799 --> 00:29:44.599
all. Well, yeah, I've known people who've gone

00:29:44.599 --> 00:29:46.980
through divorces and it's hundreds of dollars

00:29:46.980 --> 00:29:49.319
just to send an email, they told me. So, no,

00:29:49.460 --> 00:29:52.000
an editor would definitely be less expensive

00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:54.910
than that. Man, I should have become a lawyer.

00:29:57.410 --> 00:30:01.109
Yeah, exactly. I'll be the one making the big

00:30:01.109 --> 00:30:07.509
bucks. Yeah, that'd be nice for sure. Before

00:30:07.509 --> 00:30:11.450
we wrap up, I'm just curious, where can people

00:30:11.450 --> 00:30:19.789
find you? Well, my website is www .authorlukemurphy

00:30:19.789 --> 00:30:23.269
.com, all one word. Uh, and all of my social

00:30:23.269 --> 00:30:26.069
media, you look up author Luke Murphy on Facebook,

00:30:26.130 --> 00:30:28.269
Instagram, Twitter, and you'll find me there.

00:30:28.769 --> 00:30:33.769
Um, my books are available on Amazon in, uh,

00:30:34.049 --> 00:30:38.569
ebook form paperback and audio book. Um, yeah,

00:30:38.690 --> 00:30:41.569
so definitely I encourage people to look me up

00:30:41.569 --> 00:30:44.490
and, uh, I'm always available to someone wants

00:30:44.490 --> 00:30:47.069
to touch base with me, or you can contact me

00:30:47.069 --> 00:30:50.700
through my website on my, uh, contact form. Or

00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:54.059
just send me a tweet or a message on social media.

00:30:54.140 --> 00:30:57.420
I'm always happy to hear from people with questions

00:30:57.420 --> 00:31:03.339
or comments. He also likes to have people joke

00:31:03.339 --> 00:31:08.460
around with, too. Oh, absolutely. I love to joke

00:31:08.460 --> 00:31:14.279
around. By the way, Luke, like three years ago

00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:20.500
when I first joined Twitter, What's kind of funny,

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I thought when you first followed me, I didn't

00:31:27.660 --> 00:31:32.579
know if that was legit or whatnot. I mean, you

00:31:32.579 --> 00:31:37.740
know how all those people like to post fake accounts

00:31:37.740 --> 00:31:42.319
out there? Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah, that's another

00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.220
thing with social media. There's so many scam

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artists and, you know, hackers and all sorts

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of spammers. And you really have to be careful

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with who you follow and who follows you. And

00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:56.579
I know my oldest daughter now is getting into

00:31:56.579 --> 00:31:59.619
the whole Instagram. She just turned 12 and she

00:31:59.619 --> 00:32:01.900
wants her own Instagram page and stuff. And,

00:32:01.940 --> 00:32:04.859
you know, I made sure she kept it just personal

00:32:04.859 --> 00:32:07.759
to private, sorry, private. And, you know, she

00:32:07.759 --> 00:32:10.299
only accepts people she knows. stuff and you

00:32:10.299 --> 00:32:12.720
know there's there's so many bad people out there

00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:14.700
that you really have to be careful and keep yourself

00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:19.759
safe and protected yeah thanks and uh yeah obviously

00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:23.019
i didn't mean any offense by any of that i just

00:32:23.019 --> 00:32:32.980
no not not at all no i was like wow But, man,

00:32:33.180 --> 00:32:38.759
I've been happy to have you as a follower, and

00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:44.819
I really do enjoy your books a lot. Well, thank

00:32:44.819 --> 00:32:46.700
you. And I'm sure you're not the first person

00:32:46.700 --> 00:32:48.740
to feel that because I really try to seek out

00:32:48.740 --> 00:32:51.740
people who have common interests with me, whether

00:32:51.740 --> 00:32:55.759
it's through reading or sports or school. I'm

00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:58.400
always trying to find people or music. I'm always

00:32:58.400 --> 00:33:00.839
trying to find people with interests and, you

00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.359
know, I follow them and sometimes they'll follow

00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.859
me back. Sometimes they'll ignore me. But yeah,

00:33:07.460 --> 00:33:09.359
I definitely try to seek out people with common

00:33:09.359 --> 00:33:11.839
interests to myself that I could, you know, start

00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.980
a conversation with or, you know, share ideas

00:33:14.980 --> 00:33:18.619
with and stuff. Well, I really enjoyed this podcast

00:33:18.619 --> 00:33:21.640
episode and I hope I can have you back on in

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the future if you'd be interested. Absolutely.

00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.420
I'd be honored. And I thank you very much for

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asking me, Jimmy. It's been a lot of fun talking

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