May 30, 2025

Business Beyond Boundaries: The Power of Creativity in Business with James Walters

Business Beyond Boundaries: The Power of Creativity in Business with James Walters
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Join us in this episode as we dive into the world of creativity in business with special guest James Walters, a renowned professional photographer, podcaster, and multifaceted creative. James shares his insights on how embracing creativity in business can lead to innovative solutions, unique perspectives, and unparalleled success.From capturing breathtaking images to crafting compelling stories, James's diverse talents offer a fresh perspective on what it means to think creatively in business. Tune in as we explore the intersection of art, entrepreneurship, and innovation, and discover how you can apply James's principles to spark creativity in your own business.Key Takeaways:- How James leverages his photography skills to drive creative problem-solving in business- The importance of embracing experimentation and risk-taking in entrepreneurship- Practical tips for cultivating a creative mindset in your own businessGet ready to capture the spark of creativity in business!

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a brand new episode. Now let's dive into the

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show. author of two books so far. He's really

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kicking my butt so far. I mean, metaphorically,

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of course. And James is on a mission to help

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people live their best lives through identifying

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what they really want, taking creative risks,

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and also sharing their story with others. If

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I can talk today. Holy crap. And that's what

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happens when... You don't sleep very well thanks

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to very, very hot weather and a poor AC unit

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that was constructed in the 1970s. I hope that

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building doesn't matter. I'll just say, I hope

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he's not building anymore. I'm not being a tool,

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but it's really bad. That's the reason why systems

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upgrade here and there. But that's my little

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rant today. And before we get the guest out real

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quick, I've got to turn on blast radio real quick.

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Whoops. See, this is what happens when you burn.

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Mine is all over the place. Okay. So let's welcome

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James out, and we're going to have a great interview.

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Hey, James. Hey, Jimmy. How's it going? Good.

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How are you? Man, haven't been better. It's hot

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here, too, and it is hard to sleep, but make

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and do. Definitely. So before we get started,

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can you tell us a little bit about who you are,

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what you do, how you got started, and why you

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got started? Yeah. So, you know, you read a little

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bit in my bio. I put all of those things, you

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know, dad, nephew, friend, mentor, all of those

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things, because I know a lot of people wear a

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ton of hats. And I really only started out wanting

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to wear one or two hats when I was in high school.

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I wanted I realized I wanted to be a photographer.

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And so I decided, hey, I'm going to go. to college

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for that i did it and that's what i've been doing

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for the last 30 years is my main business but

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along the way you pick up different titles right

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pick up the maybe the title of husband father

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teacher things of that sort and so i've really

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had the need for growth you know along the way

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too fill the shoes of what those things needed

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to be. Like father, you don't get really an instruction

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manual for that. So you have to figure it out

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as you go and a lot of bumps and scrapes along

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the way. And then as business owner. that's even

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worse because you get a lot of other people's

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advice and it may or may not apply to you. So

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you've got to go out there and do a lot of experimenting,

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figure out what works. And really the, the way

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it started was, you know, and that's how it so

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often happens in life. You go down one path and

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then you end up doing a lot of side quests and

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then you get to a spot where you really figure

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out where you want to go from there. And I guess

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that's, That's kind of where I am right now in

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my life, in my career, and what I'm doing with

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the podcast that I work with and the books that

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I'm writing. They are accumulating the experience

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that I've gotten and hoping to tell stories to

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help other people find their way if they don't

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have it yet. That's amazing. And I definitely

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know what you mean about the business and other

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struggle shifts, many ups and downs. And earlier

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today, I had somebody tell me that what I'm doing

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is a hobby. And I thought, really? I've been

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doing this for seven plus years. And I also have

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been, let's say, been a... around the world a

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couple few times not literally but i mean 180

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podcasts and videos uh 30 and uh speaking engagements

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on different conferences yes i haven't uh made

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consistent money etc but i was like if i'm gonna

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work on this you know at least 40 plus hours

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a week it's not a hobby It's like, and I've been

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doing this and I've been doing for seven plus

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years. It's like a hobby is like, I'll do here

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and there and blah, blah, blah. Whenever I have

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free time, that's a hobby. Yeah. Hobby's a weekend

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thing. Yeah. Of course I didn't say this to the

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person, but thanks for telling me I have a hobby.

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Yeah. Isn't it great when you get that from someone

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who kind of volunteers their ignorance about

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what you do, but maybe they know someone who

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has a podcast they do every once in a while.

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Or I, you know, as a photographer, I got that

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a lot. Even my, I tell this story a lot about

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my grandmother when I told her, Hey, I'm going

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to go to college and I'm going to get a degree

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in photography. I wasn't just going to. do it

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and she looked at me and she was so baffled and

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she looked at me concerned and she said well

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how are you gonna make a living doing that and

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i was like well no it's a job it's an actual

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job people do it and they get paid for it and

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that was 30 plus years ago but it's it's kind

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of the same it's similar with podcasting i think

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People think, oh, you've got a podcast. That's

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adorable. And they don't realize how much work

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goes into it and how much we really do, but also

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how much we love it. Because I know if you've

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been doing this for seven years, you've got to

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love it. Yeah, I really do love it. You know,

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like the podcast actually came like for. Like

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in 2020, I did it for four years, my business

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for seven years. So it's like a three -year gap,

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but as a three -year difference, but as in whatever.

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If I hated it, I wouldn't keep doing it. That's

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for sure. There's some aspects I don't like,

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but then there's other aspects I really, really

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like. Yeah. No, it's so much parallel to what

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I've been doing because with photography, I always

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love the technical part. I love the creative

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part. And those, you know, really mesh together.

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But then when you're in business for yourself,

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there's this whole business part over on the

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side that I really resented and avoided being

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completely engaged with for a lot of years. And

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that didn't serve me very well. But I got to

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a point where. I realized the business part was

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just as much of an opportunity for me to be creative

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and technical as the photography part. And so

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once I had that mind shift and I shifted that

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mindset, it was game on. And I've been having

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a great ride ever since. Yeah. So my next question

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for you is how do you stay? How do you find joy

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in what you're doing? And I'm sure you probably

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have those days where it's like, nothing's going

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right. That was my week last week. Everything

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was just a blur last week. I had a few tools,

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just kind of physical tools, some digital tools

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that were just breaking, and nothing that I bought.

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to other tools. It's like, why is this breaking?

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I love, you know, I teach people creativity in

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a lot of different ways. I love to teach people

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how to tell their story, write their story. But

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really, for me, it comes down to the creative

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aspect and seeing. a problem like that as an

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opportunity to either you know go around the

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problem or figure out how to solve the problem

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and sometimes you just have to wait the problem

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out like you said sometimes it's a glitch in

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the system and you've got to restart the software

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so to speak and hope it's better but if not then

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you have to figure out okay is it a me problem

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or is it an outside of me And then that's where

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I always start. And it I guess it's more about

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distraction for me because I'm distracting myself

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from being. Usually I'm pretty annoyed if something

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comes up, but I've also started to train myself.

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And this is only something that's come in the

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last few years, but I train myself to really

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identify right out of the gate. Like, is this

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potentially a. a five minute problem, or is this

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going to be a five hour problem that kind of

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wrecks my day? Or is this going to be maybe a

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problem that's like five days? I kind of keep

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it in chunks of five and figure out, okay, what

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am I in for? And that way I go ahead and just

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resign myself to what I should expect out of

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this and just start putting one foot in front

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of the other at that point. If you don't mind,

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I'm going to take that idea. Just put in my business

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because I'll give you an example of one of the

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issues I've been figuring out. You might have

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heard of the tools Zapier. My all -on -one marketing

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tool has an integration with that. I'm still

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trying to figure out make .com, but they only

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give you like two automations for free. I believe

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something along those lines. And then Zapier,

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I keep on getting all these unexpected errors.

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This is an error. And it's like, and that's funny.

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I set up my profiles as two. different types

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of profiles crazy fitness guy and myself two

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separate entities just because i didn't want

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to make the brand about who the hell is jimmy

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clare jimmy cole doesn't matter and but but so

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basically the long story short uh i set up everything

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the exact different wording for different posts

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etc and for whatever reason The errors are only

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happening on my profiles. I'm like, okay, where

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the hell do I beacon on that? And so luckily

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my marketing tool company is like, we'll look

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in this for you if you get some screenshots.

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And it's like, where do I start? And it's like,

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I'm getting an error here, I'm getting an error

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here. But of course Crazy Fitness guy keeps going

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out nice and smoothly. Never for myself, what

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the hell. Right. Yeah, something's broken somewhere

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and you feel like sometimes it's a needle in

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a haystack. You feel like you're untangling Christmas

00:17:34.339 --> 00:17:37.740
lights to try to figure out, okay, where is the,

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it's probably just one little thing that's holding

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up everything after it. And yeah, those days

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are usually the, it's those little things that

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are those five hour. problems and they typically

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start with screenshots and then it starts with,

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okay, is there a Facebook support page for this

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company or go direct to customer support if it's

00:18:00.309 --> 00:18:03.029
great company. So yeah, I feel you. Cause I've

00:18:03.029 --> 00:18:05.130
got one of those too. I've got a situation where

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people are signing up for things, but they're

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not getting the text, but they are getting the

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email and that, and sometimes their email goes

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to spam. Right. So if they get the text, then

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they know they got the email. It's yeah, it's.

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Fantastic, right? Oh, yeah. And it's like, I

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decided to say, if I can find another workaround,

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I would definitely do it. And they have built

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-in tools, but that doesn't work with my podcast.

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Right. And so I was like, why? I was like, can't

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somebody just make a tool like Zapier that just

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works? Just works. Yeah. I feel you. But just

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like, since they put their support on a paywall,

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it's like, well, we don't know how that worked

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out for AOL. Yeah. Wow. Well, I hope you figure

00:19:01.809 --> 00:19:04.329
it out sooner than later. I know you'll figure

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it out, but I hope it ends up being less painful

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than you thought. Me too. So my next question

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for you is, What made you want to start your

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podcast? Oh, man, it did start as a passion project

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and it kind of still is. I love stories and I

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love the stories that I love most, especially

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at my age. I'm past my 40s now, just barely.

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And in talking to people who have gotten to that

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point in life. There's just something strange

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and kind of magical about getting to that group

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of years in your life where it's not like you

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have wisdom necessarily, but you've got more

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perspective and you start wanting more for yourself.

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And some people do, some people don't, obviously.

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But the majority of people I do, they're like,

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you know, I've kind of I've been doing this same

00:20:08.099 --> 00:20:10.099
thing for a long time. I want more out of my

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life. There's also it's that point of life where

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you feel like it's sort of now or never because

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this thing doesn't go on forever. Right. So taking

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that and talking with as many people as I did

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about the some of the same issues, I thought,

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you know what, I should either write a book or

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create something because I've talked to all these

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folks. They all have the same issues. So they

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should probably, you know. be talking to some

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of the other people that I've talked to who have

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figured these things out, because there are a

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lot of people who have been through what I call

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a joyful rebellion of their own. And that's the

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name of the podcast, because it's that point

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in your life where you have checked all the boxes

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of what other people tell you success is. People

00:21:01.839 --> 00:21:04.500
like your parents, people like your college or

00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:08.299
your high school or whoever tells you, hey, get

00:21:08.299 --> 00:21:11.730
the house, get the Get the spouse, get the kids,

00:21:11.809 --> 00:21:15.589
get the, you know, diploma and then get the great

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job and you're going to be happy. And then a

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lot of people do all that stuff. They're super

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responsible with their life. And then they get

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to a point where they realize, you know, I've

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done all these things and I should feel great

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and I don't. And the part of the joyful rebellion

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is asking yourself, what am I going to do about

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it? What do I do next? I love to talk with people

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and get their story because I love stories. And

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that transformation story just captivates me.

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So that's why I started the podcast. And now

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I talk with people every week who've either been

00:21:52.920 --> 00:21:56.940
through their own joyful rebellion journey or

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people who help others. get through theirs. And

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so that's a lot of authors, a lot of coaches,

00:22:03.190 --> 00:22:07.589
a lot of people who just help transform other

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people who are searching for that what next moment

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in their own lives. I love people who tell stories

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as well. I like learning new things every single

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week on my podcast. I'm always just learning

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and learning. And people are like, don't you

00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:32.680
get tired of it? I was like, no, that's the fun

00:22:32.680 --> 00:22:35.579
part for me. It's the admin crap that gets annoying.

00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:38.700
It's like, gotta follow up with this guest, gotta

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do this with this guest. I worry about no -shows.

00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:50.279
I actually cut back on... I finally found a way

00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:53.859
for me to deal with the no -shows. And I was

00:22:53.859 --> 00:22:57.529
like, well, if they don't show up, well... off

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the show yeah yeah and that's always a problem

00:23:02.329 --> 00:23:05.029
i've had a few of those lately and it's always

00:23:05.029 --> 00:23:07.890
frustrating because yeah all the emails and all

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the things go out the text the emails the reminders

00:23:10.930 --> 00:23:15.630
all of it and it's it's weird when you get that

00:23:15.630 --> 00:23:21.160
but it happens Yeah. But the nice part is, is

00:23:21.160 --> 00:23:25.440
that, you know, what happens is a way to, I found

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a way to kind of minimize a lot of the frustration

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and I can just pretty much just like, okay, you

00:23:33.019 --> 00:23:35.900
know, they don't want to be on the show. Fine.

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You know, and it's like, they're missing an opportunity.

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That's right. So my next question for you is,

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uh, What got you into photography? Was someone

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else in your family like a photographer? Or did

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you go to weddings and see a bunch of people

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taking pictures? Did you like that kind of stuff?

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I didn't really know that I liked taking pictures

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until I was probably in 10th grade in high school.

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And I first used it maybe like a lot of kids

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do. I didn't love math. I liked a lot of the

00:24:21.309 --> 00:24:23.630
other stuff, but I actually figured out a way

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instead of taking algebra two, I could take a

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photography course. And I don't know how I'd

00:24:30.329 --> 00:24:34.210
swap the credits, but I got into the dark room

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in that photography course. And I was I was like,

00:24:36.630 --> 00:24:40.130
wow, this is amazing. I could create. a whole

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world through the lens of a camera. And even

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though I was seeing the same thing, maybe another

00:24:45.690 --> 00:24:49.690
person I was standing beside was looking at through

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the camera, I could see it and I could present

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it in a totally different way. And then when

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I get in the dark room, I could take it even

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further. I can make certain parts darker or lighter

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or fuzzy. And that just blew my mind. And I got

00:25:04.450 --> 00:25:07.029
hooked on being able to take a photograph and

00:25:07.029 --> 00:25:10.930
create a world. That no one else had had really

00:25:10.930 --> 00:25:13.349
seen. And it wasn't like dramatic. We didn't

00:25:13.349 --> 00:25:15.529
have Photoshop back then. It was literally black

00:25:15.529 --> 00:25:19.230
and white darkroom stuff. But at the same time,

00:25:19.230 --> 00:25:21.589
when people would look at some of these pictures,

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it's like, oh, I know we were both there, but

00:25:24.069 --> 00:25:26.730
I didn't see it that way or I never thought about

00:25:26.730 --> 00:25:31.150
it at that angle. And so that's what got me hooked

00:25:31.150 --> 00:25:34.819
and wanted. To explore commercial photography

00:25:34.819 --> 00:25:37.539
more, which is what I did in college. I didn't

00:25:37.539 --> 00:25:40.619
really photograph people very much. I was kind

00:25:40.619 --> 00:25:45.980
of a shy kid and was a little too. shy to give

00:25:45.980 --> 00:25:48.880
a lot of direction and stuff like that. So I

00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:51.700
started with products and a lot of advertising

00:25:51.700 --> 00:25:54.160
stuff right out of the gate. And then eventually

00:25:54.160 --> 00:25:58.619
I got bored with that and got my confidence up

00:25:58.619 --> 00:26:01.980
with my photo skills after about four or five

00:26:01.980 --> 00:26:06.500
years. And then I went exclusively into photographing

00:26:06.500 --> 00:26:08.420
people, which I've been doing for the last 20

00:26:08.420 --> 00:26:12.420
some years. So just new challenges all the time.

00:26:12.420 --> 00:26:18.420
And I love it. Stay with us. We'll be right back.

00:26:19.119 --> 00:26:21.400
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00:26:29.579 --> 00:26:34.220
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or $30 ,000 a year. I like photography as well,

00:27:22.190 --> 00:27:26.609
especially because I actually took a photography

00:27:26.609 --> 00:27:32.390
class in high school, too, I believe. And one

00:27:32.390 --> 00:27:37.970
of them was actually using a darkroom, and it

00:27:37.970 --> 00:27:45.579
was really cool because it kind of, well... One

00:27:45.579 --> 00:27:49.220
of the projects we had to do, I went to my dad's

00:27:49.220 --> 00:27:51.920
country club, took a picture of some of the chefs

00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:55.799
in the kitchen, and I got this really cool, I

00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:57.660
mean, I don't have it anymore, but I remember

00:27:57.660 --> 00:28:01.480
this picture in my head, and it was this chef

00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:05.920
cooking, and this huge big flame just popped

00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:09.920
up, and it captured right on, and it was like...

00:28:10.109 --> 00:28:12.410
that looks freaking awesome. And I was like,

00:28:12.450 --> 00:28:15.210
I didn't even mean to do it too. I was like,

00:28:15.289 --> 00:28:17.190
all right, I was already looking for that child.

00:28:17.269 --> 00:28:21.150
Like, Ooh, let me do that. Yeah. And then you're

00:28:21.150 --> 00:28:23.269
mad because it doesn't happen every time. You

00:28:23.269 --> 00:28:25.650
know, you kind of expect that lightning strike

00:28:25.650 --> 00:28:28.109
moment. Yeah. It's cool. And stuff like that

00:28:28.109 --> 00:28:31.190
happens. So before I ask you my next question,

00:28:31.329 --> 00:28:38.170
so last year when I got to go to, to Ireland

00:28:38.170 --> 00:28:44.529
with my family for my dad's 70th birthday. I

00:28:44.529 --> 00:28:47.690
took a lot of pictures with my Google Pixel phone,

00:28:47.970 --> 00:28:52.609
and I wanted to ask you, what do you think about

00:28:52.609 --> 00:28:56.890
these phones today that have these amazing cameras

00:28:56.890 --> 00:29:00.170
on them? Do you think that they're like the next

00:29:00.170 --> 00:29:03.930
kind of thing to replace digital cameras, or

00:29:03.930 --> 00:29:07.210
do you think they're not there quite yet? I think

00:29:07.210 --> 00:29:09.450
they're definitely there for a lot of different

00:29:09.450 --> 00:29:13.730
applications. And in fact, I just, my second

00:29:13.730 --> 00:29:16.329
book, which is a photo book, it's the first photo

00:29:16.329 --> 00:29:18.069
book I've done. The first was like a memoir.

00:29:18.509 --> 00:29:21.970
And this is coming out in the fall, but it's

00:29:21.970 --> 00:29:26.970
a large format. It's all black and white photos,

00:29:27.130 --> 00:29:30.529
but every one of them I took with my phone because

00:29:30.529 --> 00:29:34.329
I wanted to limit myself to something I would

00:29:34.329 --> 00:29:39.599
have on me all the time. And these images I created

00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:42.880
were very much in the moment. And so it was either

00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:45.500
me lugging around a big camera all the time,

00:29:45.500 --> 00:29:51.420
every day, or we all have our phones. And the

00:29:51.420 --> 00:29:56.140
quality is great. The lenses are getting better.

00:29:56.740 --> 00:30:00.640
The limitations are the speed and, of course,

00:30:00.660 --> 00:30:03.539
the... Working with the lighting, because as

00:30:03.539 --> 00:30:05.880
I've always when I train photographers or when

00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.480
I talk to other people about photographs and

00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.460
really the essence of a photograph, it's about

00:30:12.460 --> 00:30:14.740
the lighting. It's not about the little I call

00:30:14.740 --> 00:30:17.740
it the little black box that takes the pictures.

00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.759
And that's I won't say it's inconsequential,

00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.660
but I was shooting album covers or not album

00:30:24.660 --> 00:30:27.519
covers, but magazine covers like 25 years ago

00:30:27.519 --> 00:30:31.809
with with really crappy digital cameras. And

00:30:31.809 --> 00:30:35.569
it still held up. And so I could take one of

00:30:35.569 --> 00:30:40.369
those cameras from way back then. And I could,

00:30:40.369 --> 00:30:43.829
you know, with great lighting, still create a

00:30:43.829 --> 00:30:46.569
nice cover today. I don't need anything brand

00:30:46.569 --> 00:30:49.529
new off the shelf. If you've got the lighting,

00:30:49.630 --> 00:30:51.569
if you've got the composition, if you've got

00:30:51.569 --> 00:30:54.670
the things. And there's a limitation to what

00:30:54.670 --> 00:30:59.670
you can do with a phone and lighting. Not always,

00:30:59.750 --> 00:31:04.400
but. in in some degrees the reason why i asked

00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:09.400
is because when there was a couple i mean i had

00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:11.920
a really some really really good pictures in

00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:16.000
ireland and it really annoyed my brother and

00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:20.319
my dad because they both love iphones and i was

00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:25.640
like Beat that iPhone. I got my nice Pixel. I

00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.599
even got a really good shot with a double rainbow

00:31:28.599 --> 00:31:31.960
coming over the hill and everything else. Like,

00:31:32.000 --> 00:31:37.140
yeah, see what your iPhone can do. Yeah. And

00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:39.779
they're all, I mean, they're getting better every

00:31:39.779 --> 00:31:44.299
year. And some are definitely using the app to

00:31:44.299 --> 00:31:49.069
bolster. like the limitations of the camera.

00:31:49.170 --> 00:31:52.230
I remember the Samsung used to go ahead and it

00:31:52.230 --> 00:31:55.210
was like an automatic smoothing of faces and

00:31:55.210 --> 00:31:58.190
things. And this was maybe seven or eight years

00:31:58.190 --> 00:32:00.170
ago. And I was like, wow, that's, that's actually

00:32:00.170 --> 00:32:03.670
kind of cool. It's a little, it's a little much,

00:32:03.769 --> 00:32:06.990
but I was thinking, I wish my real like big camera

00:32:06.990 --> 00:32:09.829
could do that. That would be kind of nice in

00:32:09.829 --> 00:32:12.710
a lot of ways, but I can always do that after

00:32:12.710 --> 00:32:18.730
the fact. The only thing that I couldn't do was

00:32:18.730 --> 00:32:25.549
pick up the super mode during the summer. And

00:32:25.549 --> 00:32:28.529
I was like, ah, that's a bummer. But I was like,

00:32:28.569 --> 00:32:31.190
oh, well, you know what? And I was like, maybe

00:32:31.190 --> 00:32:37.059
one day it will. Because someone on my... one

00:32:37.059 --> 00:32:40.019
of my colleagues on facebook they uh posted one

00:32:40.019 --> 00:32:44.359
from and they said their samsung uh i forgot

00:32:44.359 --> 00:32:46.839
what model was i think it was like the latest

00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:50.940
one and i had like four or five six different

00:32:50.940 --> 00:32:54.819
cameras on there and it's like wow all you just

00:32:54.819 --> 00:32:57.240
make one huge big camera on the back why don't

00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:01.619
you yeah but uh but the reason i brought that

00:33:01.619 --> 00:33:05.190
up like That captured the super moon, but my

00:33:05.190 --> 00:33:08.210
phone couldn't. And it's like, one day it will.

00:33:08.470 --> 00:33:11.990
And it's like, just one day. Yeah, one day. And

00:33:11.990 --> 00:33:18.049
I tell people, I just had this, I had a client

00:33:18.049 --> 00:33:20.789
email me about two weeks ago and they said, hey,

00:33:20.829 --> 00:33:24.170
we're about to head out on vacation. We want

00:33:24.170 --> 00:33:28.450
to get a new camera and wanted to see what you

00:33:28.450 --> 00:33:32.549
would recommend. And I said, well, I recommend

00:33:32.549 --> 00:33:35.289
just use your phone because you'll always have

00:33:35.289 --> 00:33:37.109
it with you. It's going to take great pictures.

00:33:37.230 --> 00:33:38.589
And they were like, no, no, we want something

00:33:38.589 --> 00:33:40.150
that takes good pictures. And I was like, your

00:33:40.150 --> 00:33:43.089
phone does pretty good. But they ultimately they

00:33:43.089 --> 00:33:46.329
wanted something. I think they felt better having

00:33:46.329 --> 00:33:48.910
something they spent more money on, which honestly,

00:33:49.049 --> 00:33:52.230
I think the phones now are around a thousand

00:33:52.230 --> 00:33:58.799
bucks if you get a decent one. So was this camera

00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:00.660
they were buying. But the problem was the camera

00:34:00.660 --> 00:34:04.019
only does one thing. And their phone is going

00:34:04.019 --> 00:34:05.759
to do a whole lot of stuff and take great pictures.

00:34:05.779 --> 00:34:08.760
So I'm not one of those people who pooh -poohs

00:34:08.760 --> 00:34:11.940
phones for cameras at all, as long as it's a

00:34:11.940 --> 00:34:13.940
good one and you're happy with what it gives

00:34:13.940 --> 00:34:19.099
you. Yeah. During the photography course I took

00:34:19.099 --> 00:34:25.420
during – during, it was an elective for my college,

00:34:25.619 --> 00:34:30.059
for one of my classes. And I still liked it because

00:34:30.059 --> 00:34:34.059
I had to use Photoshop. But the thing was, I

00:34:34.059 --> 00:34:39.219
had this old digital camera and I kind of just

00:34:39.219 --> 00:34:42.780
didn't like that I was required to use such a

00:34:42.780 --> 00:34:45.659
device, especially because it's like, if you

00:34:45.659 --> 00:34:49.050
wanted something a lot better. My phone could

00:34:49.050 --> 00:34:53.409
take a lot better than this because I had the

00:34:53.409 --> 00:34:56.610
lighting in my house. I had natural light coming

00:34:56.610 --> 00:34:59.829
in. So I was like, are you sure you want me to

00:34:59.829 --> 00:35:04.329
use this old device that I got 15 plus years

00:35:04.329 --> 00:35:07.170
ago? He's like, yeah, it turns them. And the

00:35:07.170 --> 00:35:09.909
professor's like, yeah, it's better quality than

00:35:09.909 --> 00:35:11.889
your phone. And he's like, are you sure about

00:35:11.889 --> 00:35:14.550
that? I mean, I didn't say that at first, but

00:35:14.550 --> 00:35:20.889
I was like, yeah. Are we sure? Yeah. I was like,

00:35:20.909 --> 00:35:24.309
I think it's a lot higher quality than 15 years

00:35:24.309 --> 00:35:28.269
ago. Probably. It's not like I'm using a flip

00:35:28.269 --> 00:35:30.550
phone because if I was using a flip phone, I

00:35:30.550 --> 00:35:33.010
mean, not like the newer flip phones, but I mean

00:35:33.010 --> 00:35:37.010
like the very old loader. Razor. Yeah. The loader

00:35:37.010 --> 00:35:42.829
roll. That was my very first phone. Yeah. I feel

00:35:42.829 --> 00:35:47.619
ancient. Oh, man. I have one of those bag phones

00:35:47.619 --> 00:35:54.639
from the 90s, but that's ancient. You know, you

00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.659
know what would be really cool? I don't know

00:35:57.659 --> 00:36:02.619
if you ever had one of these phones. So I had

00:36:02.619 --> 00:36:06.840
this one phone where you flip from the side and

00:36:06.840 --> 00:36:09.539
it gives you like a nice keyboard. Oh, yeah.

00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.780
Yeah. Why couldn't they just make it like a cool

00:36:13.780 --> 00:36:17.320
smartphone that just, the whole screen just comes

00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:20.300
up, boom, and that just type with your thumb

00:36:20.300 --> 00:36:23.219
or just on your screen with your thumbs. It's

00:36:23.219 --> 00:36:26.460
like, that'd be really cool. Nice keyboard. That'd

00:36:26.460 --> 00:36:31.039
look cool. Yeah. You know, probably as we speak,

00:36:31.139 --> 00:36:34.639
somebody's probably like going to listen and

00:36:34.639 --> 00:36:37.639
it's like, hey, that's a good idea. And they'll

00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:41.059
end up making just an accessory that kind of

00:36:41.059 --> 00:36:43.219
slides out of the battery holder or something

00:36:43.219 --> 00:36:46.079
like that that'll be kind of cool. It'll look

00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:47.840
retro. It'll look like something from The Matrix.

00:36:48.380 --> 00:36:55.739
Yes. I can only picture it now. Snap -on. That's

00:36:55.739 --> 00:37:01.159
right. So what are you doing? I'm texting. You

00:37:01.159 --> 00:37:02.900
look like you're playing a video game on your

00:37:02.900 --> 00:37:06.829
phone. I swear. I'm answering an email. It's

00:37:06.829 --> 00:37:13.849
fine. Put that stuff away. So my next couple

00:37:13.849 --> 00:37:17.710
of questions for you, where do you see your podcast

00:37:17.710 --> 00:37:22.269
in the next couple of years? Yeah. I've been

00:37:22.269 --> 00:37:25.429
thinking about that because I'm through the first

00:37:25.429 --> 00:37:29.829
year and a half of episodes. I've launched, let's

00:37:29.829 --> 00:37:32.250
see, I think I'm about to launch like episode

00:37:32.250 --> 00:37:36.989
35. And so the first year was a little, spotty

00:37:36.989 --> 00:37:40.349
like I wasn't consistent I wasn't putting out

00:37:40.349 --> 00:37:42.969
an episode every week I was still working out

00:37:42.969 --> 00:37:45.110
a lot of the technical stuff the editing stuff

00:37:45.110 --> 00:37:48.489
the flow and there were some times where I had

00:37:48.489 --> 00:37:51.690
sound issues where it just took me a long time

00:37:51.690 --> 00:37:54.489
to edit the episode and I learned from it and

00:37:54.489 --> 00:37:57.130
I never did those things again and then things

00:37:57.130 --> 00:38:00.329
got faster and so now I'm in the phase where

00:38:00.329 --> 00:38:03.199
I'm really trying to work on interviewing skills

00:38:03.199 --> 00:38:08.780
and getting a flow to an episode where I, you

00:38:08.780 --> 00:38:14.159
know, I'm setting up the guests to have really

00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:17.440
great stories and getting them prepared, but

00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.739
also facilitating the conversation, keeping it

00:38:19.739 --> 00:38:23.199
moving back and forth. And that also makes editing

00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:25.699
go much faster and makes me enjoy the process

00:38:25.699 --> 00:38:27.639
when editing goes faster, because that's the

00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:32.650
part I like the least. And so once I kind of

00:38:32.650 --> 00:38:35.530
get feel comfortable getting through that phase,

00:38:35.690 --> 00:38:40.730
then I'm going into more of the how can we expand

00:38:40.730 --> 00:38:44.230
the reach of this? So I've got these 35 episodes

00:38:44.230 --> 00:38:47.369
right now. I think they're good, but I want to

00:38:47.369 --> 00:38:49.989
start making things better, want to give more

00:38:49.989 --> 00:38:54.289
value to people. And then once. And once I feel

00:38:54.289 --> 00:38:57.070
like we're there, I want to really expand the

00:38:57.070 --> 00:39:00.050
reach as much as possible so that people who

00:39:00.050 --> 00:39:02.949
are like I described, people who are in that

00:39:02.949 --> 00:39:04.429
situation where they're like, you know what?

00:39:04.510 --> 00:39:08.489
My life is great. I just don't feel like I'm

00:39:08.489 --> 00:39:11.289
doing the living the best life I possibly could.

00:39:11.510 --> 00:39:15.030
But I don't really know what to do next to get

00:39:15.030 --> 00:39:18.210
there. I want those people to be able to find

00:39:18.210 --> 00:39:21.489
my podcast, listen to it, and maybe. pick up

00:39:21.489 --> 00:39:24.070
something they hadn't thought about before and

00:39:24.070 --> 00:39:27.610
be able to decide for themselves, am I going

00:39:27.610 --> 00:39:30.269
to put in the effort to make that change or not?

00:39:32.289 --> 00:39:38.809
I definitely know what you mean. My first interview

00:39:38.809 --> 00:39:43.710
sounded like garbage. I kept it. The only thing

00:39:43.710 --> 00:39:48.289
I did to it was because it was recorded on the

00:39:48.289 --> 00:39:54.820
phone. I decided to just re -edit it to make

00:39:54.820 --> 00:39:58.199
it louder. But I kept everything else the same

00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:02.619
because I was like, it's a little too, way too

00:40:02.619 --> 00:40:07.719
late for it to update and make changes. I mean,

00:40:07.739 --> 00:40:11.599
that was just in my perspective because I switched

00:40:11.599 --> 00:40:13.519
to many different hosting companies over the

00:40:13.519 --> 00:40:16.179
years. Oh, yeah. And that hosting company had

00:40:16.179 --> 00:40:19.190
their ads in it and it's like, Then I have to

00:40:19.190 --> 00:40:24.030
go back in, re -edit this. Oh, wow. That's a

00:40:24.030 --> 00:40:26.389
lot. Then it's like, I'm not going to do it.

00:40:28.449 --> 00:40:31.510
It's not me being lazy, but because I'm only

00:40:31.510 --> 00:40:34.889
one person behind my brand, I was like, I'm better

00:40:34.889 --> 00:40:39.889
off of just keep going and keep going. Let that

00:40:39.889 --> 00:40:42.769
episode just... And it's funny, it's one of the

00:40:42.769 --> 00:40:45.630
highest -paying episodes on my show. Oh, wow.

00:40:46.250 --> 00:40:49.670
I was like, how can this thing be outplaying

00:40:49.670 --> 00:40:53.369
everything else? Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, the

00:40:53.369 --> 00:40:55.929
content was good. Just the interviewing style,

00:40:56.010 --> 00:41:00.150
you could tell that I was really nervous. Even

00:41:00.150 --> 00:41:02.789
the person was not even in the room. And, like,

00:41:02.829 --> 00:41:05.630
he was all the way in Canada. And I was just

00:41:05.630 --> 00:41:08.230
all the way just afraid. It's like, don't mess

00:41:08.230 --> 00:41:10.090
it up. Don't mess it up. Don't mess it up. It's

00:41:10.090 --> 00:41:12.389
like, damn it, I'm sounding like I'm really messing

00:41:12.389 --> 00:41:15.340
up. And now I'm just here, like. If it happens,

00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:20.360
it happens. If it's great, great. If something

00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.400
messes up, like a little hiccup in technology,

00:41:23.659 --> 00:41:27.320
it's like, that's not my fault. That's just pure

00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.960
internet. That's our technology. That's not anything

00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.179
I can do. I can pay for internet, but that doesn't

00:41:35.179 --> 00:41:38.059
mean that's what I'm going to necessarily get.

00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:42.079
That's right. It's one of those things where

00:41:42.079 --> 00:41:45.309
you definitely have to, get your feet wet and

00:41:45.309 --> 00:41:49.309
do it before you get good at it. You can look

00:41:49.309 --> 00:41:54.050
at YouTube all day and not really get the sense

00:41:54.050 --> 00:41:57.630
of what it's like to produce a podcast. But once

00:41:57.630 --> 00:41:59.429
you've done it a few times, you're like, wow,

00:41:59.610 --> 00:42:02.429
this is, number one, it's a lot of work. And

00:42:02.429 --> 00:42:06.750
number two, it's a good commitment, but it's

00:42:06.750 --> 00:42:10.610
a lot of fun. And it's also tough for people

00:42:10.610 --> 00:42:12.590
who are perfectionists. I'm a little bit of a

00:42:12.590 --> 00:42:15.869
perfectionist. And so it was hard for me to pass

00:42:15.869 --> 00:42:21.210
off my raw recordings to an editor the first

00:42:21.210 --> 00:42:24.789
time. And then, unfortunately, I was listening

00:42:24.789 --> 00:42:28.809
to the finished podcast and I heard myself tell

00:42:28.809 --> 00:42:31.610
the editor, hey, edit this part out. And it was

00:42:31.610 --> 00:42:35.130
the final, the quote, final edit. And I was like,

00:42:35.210 --> 00:42:38.110
whoa, that's not good. I need to. Apparently

00:42:38.110 --> 00:42:40.650
talked to my editor because he didn't do much

00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:44.050
editing. And so I took it all back. And so now

00:42:44.050 --> 00:42:47.329
I am doing that lonely perfectionist thing and

00:42:47.329 --> 00:42:52.809
editing all of my episodes again. Well, if you

00:42:52.809 --> 00:42:56.349
don't mind me sharing you a tip or two. Yeah.

00:42:56.469 --> 00:42:59.530
I mean, I'm not a master editor or anything because

00:42:59.530 --> 00:43:02.289
I'm not saying that at all because I made my

00:43:02.289 --> 00:43:05.570
own mistakes as well. But there's a tool called

00:43:05.570 --> 00:43:10.639
Podcastle. cloud -based they have a free plan

00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:17.400
they basically uses AI technology to help you

00:43:17.400 --> 00:43:25.610
edit to make it level out terms of voices I don't

00:43:25.610 --> 00:43:29.429
take out all the ums because I have learned from

00:43:29.429 --> 00:43:33.429
others that if you take out the ums, like all

00:43:33.429 --> 00:43:36.489
of them, it might not flow very well. And for

00:43:36.489 --> 00:43:38.949
me, I actually tried that and it sounded really

00:43:38.949 --> 00:43:42.860
bad because then it's just a blank spot. how

00:43:42.860 --> 00:43:45.719
do you get from this work to this work it is

00:43:45.719 --> 00:43:49.719
not naturally at all i mean and this person who

00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:54.539
did that like we kind of had like a snippet of

00:43:54.539 --> 00:43:57.539
what it would sound like so it's like so and

00:43:57.539 --> 00:44:00.460
how do you do that and it was like one big blank

00:44:00.460 --> 00:44:02.920
and i was like oh this like that sounds garbage

00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.739
i was like i couldn't do that so uh podcast so

00:44:06.739 --> 00:44:11.559
kind of just helps me Edit it with AI. It has

00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:15.400
different functionalities. I don't know what

00:44:15.400 --> 00:44:17.539
every tool and nook and cranny does, but I've

00:44:17.539 --> 00:44:21.079
been using them for the last four and a half

00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:26.139
years I've been doing this. I definitely like

00:44:26.139 --> 00:44:29.260
them. They're one of my favorite tools for editing

00:44:29.260 --> 00:44:33.659
because some of the other ones, I'll just say

00:44:33.659 --> 00:44:36.000
it's a little bit more complicated than I feel

00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:39.780
it needs. Yeah. Somebody told me about Audacity.

00:44:40.280 --> 00:44:43.219
And not picking on Audacity, but I was like,

00:44:43.420 --> 00:44:46.420
okay, I really don't want to learn a whole new

00:44:46.420 --> 00:44:50.239
tool. Because some of the other hosting companies

00:44:50.239 --> 00:44:53.780
I was using, they gave me an easy -to -use editor.

00:44:54.219 --> 00:44:58.320
And so I'm used to, obviously, easy -to -do editors.

00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:02.219
And so I was like, I need something like this,

00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:06.000
but somewhere else. And so when I found podcasts,

00:45:06.219 --> 00:45:09.079
I was like... Yeah, I like this a lot better

00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:11.639
just because it's straightforward to me. I can

00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:14.280
say, oh, okay, I know what this tool does. I

00:45:14.280 --> 00:45:16.239
know what this thing does. I mean, I might not

00:45:16.239 --> 00:45:18.760
be able to spit it back out to you to tell you

00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.099
what it does. But I was like, oh, well, this

00:45:21.099 --> 00:45:23.880
does this, this does that. And it has a lot of

00:45:23.880 --> 00:45:27.039
help water goals too. And the customer support

00:45:27.039 --> 00:45:30.519
is like pretty much very, very fast. So it's

00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:33.920
nice waiting for Comcast customer support. That's

00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:40.500
important. Exactly. So I just wanted to share

00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:42.739
that with you. No, that's great. Thank you. I'll

00:45:42.739 --> 00:45:47.440
check it out. And no pressure if you want to

00:45:47.440 --> 00:45:51.940
use it or not. I mean, I'm not going to pay to

00:45:51.940 --> 00:45:56.039
use them or anything. I mean, they're paying

00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.139
me with their sponsorship for my show, but I

00:45:59.139 --> 00:46:05.840
get paid either way. Nice. So my last few questions

00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.480
for you is who is your favorite podcaster and

00:46:08.480 --> 00:46:13.400
why? And feel free not to say me. My favorite

00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:19.139
podcaster, man. You know, I don't know. When

00:46:19.139 --> 00:46:22.619
I listen to podcasts, I tend to go one of two

00:46:22.619 --> 00:46:26.079
directions. I'll either listen to. something

00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:29.320
that's purely for entertainment or i'll listen

00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:33.679
to something that is more about books or about

00:46:33.679 --> 00:46:37.219
publishing but purely for entertainment i listen

00:46:37.219 --> 00:46:41.159
to this one called two girls one ghost and it's

00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:44.679
they're hilarious it's these two ladies they're

00:46:44.679 --> 00:46:48.639
in massachusetts and They essentially compile

00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:52.539
these ghost stories and it's all really, there's

00:46:52.539 --> 00:46:54.760
a lot of history to it. So it's not just spooky

00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:57.820
ghost stories. They've got a ton of like why

00:46:57.820 --> 00:47:02.659
people think a certain place is haunted and they

00:47:02.659 --> 00:47:05.500
go through the history, which I find fascinating.

00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:10.119
And they do, they spend probably their first

00:47:10.119 --> 00:47:13.860
15 or 20 minutes. It's a long time at the beginning

00:47:13.860 --> 00:47:18.099
of the episode. catching up with each other and

00:47:18.099 --> 00:47:21.260
talking and shooting the breeze. And that part

00:47:21.260 --> 00:47:23.400
is actually kind of fun. I always thought, okay,

00:47:23.460 --> 00:47:27.119
if I was listening as a listener, would I be

00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:28.739
annoyed with that? And then I realized, wait,

00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.039
I am a listener and I am listening and I'm not

00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:33.579
annoyed with it. And so it must be great. So

00:47:33.579 --> 00:47:38.280
they are probably one of my favorite go -to podcasts

00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:43.059
right now as I'm walking, riding on long car

00:47:43.059 --> 00:47:47.000
trips, that kind of thing. You know, I always

00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:51.219
think my house is haunted. Yeah. And I'm not,

00:47:51.300 --> 00:47:55.539
like, you know, being sarcastic. There's some

00:47:55.539 --> 00:47:59.719
days where I hear, like, these loud creaks at

00:47:59.719 --> 00:48:02.480
night, and it's like, is somebody breaking into

00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:04.900
my house? And it's like, this is ridiculous.

00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.800
It's like, I get this thing is an old house,

00:48:07.900 --> 00:48:12.500
but I don't like it. Yeah, it's talking to you.

00:48:13.299 --> 00:48:16.960
Yeah. I was like, no, thank you. And like, if

00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.480
this is something that's haunting me, get the

00:48:19.480 --> 00:48:22.980
hell out. Yeah. Just like check the door. Yeah.

00:48:23.400 --> 00:48:25.800
I was like, I am out of here. And it's like,

00:48:25.880 --> 00:48:28.019
I don't, it's like, I've seen some previews for

00:48:28.019 --> 00:48:30.559
scary movies and I'm not getting this at all.

00:48:31.019 --> 00:48:33.380
You know where that, you know where it is, you

00:48:33.380 --> 00:48:36.559
know where it's going. Yeah. So it's like that

00:48:36.559 --> 00:48:39.480
commercial. It's like. And we all know that people

00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.679
on scary movies have very bad logic and they

00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:44.460
just stay at the same exact house. It's like,

00:48:44.500 --> 00:48:49.219
I'm out of here. And they all, as soon as somebody

00:48:49.219 --> 00:48:51.599
busts in, they run upstairs to the attic or whatever,

00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.239
or down to the basement. Yeah. Instead of out

00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:59.340
into the street. It's like, also like that commercial

00:48:59.340 --> 00:49:05.329
where that guy. who does all the chainsaws in

00:49:05.329 --> 00:49:08.269
the movies and whatnot. Oh, yeah. They make bad

00:49:08.269 --> 00:49:11.250
decisions. It's like the car is literally right

00:49:11.250 --> 00:49:14.710
there. They just take it, drive it. The guy can't

00:49:14.710 --> 00:49:17.889
find you. It's like they have to come hunting

00:49:17.889 --> 00:49:21.030
down for you. But, geez, if you drive off, like,

00:49:21.070 --> 00:49:25.570
I don't know, 20 states over, you probably can't

00:49:25.570 --> 00:49:28.789
find you anymore. Yeah. You'd probably be better

00:49:28.789 --> 00:49:32.119
off for sure. Well, we'll just stay there and

00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:34.619
we'll be the heroes. It's like, yeah, you go

00:49:34.619 --> 00:49:40.019
do this. Good luck. And my last question for

00:49:40.019 --> 00:49:41.920
you is where can people follow you, find you,

00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:43.599
learn more about who you are and what you do?

00:49:44.340 --> 00:49:48.860
Yeah, thank you. My website, I've got a website

00:49:48.860 --> 00:49:52.230
that's jameswalters .com. And that's kind of

00:49:52.230 --> 00:49:55.409
where I keep all of my projects. So my latest

00:49:55.409 --> 00:49:59.349
book project is there. And there's a blog dedicated

00:49:59.349 --> 00:50:03.449
to the podcast. The podcast is a joyful rebellion

00:50:03.449 --> 00:50:06.650
dot com. And it's a separate site, but they all

00:50:06.650 --> 00:50:09.389
kind of lead back and forth to each other. So

00:50:09.389 --> 00:50:12.190
those are the best two places. And all of those

00:50:12.190 --> 00:50:15.789
have Facebook and Instagram accounts as well.

00:50:15.809 --> 00:50:18.289
If you want to follow along on our adventures.

00:50:21.170 --> 00:50:23.329
I'll definitely put all those in the show notes.

00:50:23.789 --> 00:50:28.409
And I just also want to say real quick, you know,

00:50:28.409 --> 00:50:32.489
it's funny. One of my professors in college,

00:50:32.730 --> 00:50:37.210
when he used to be alive, he told me I need a

00:50:37.210 --> 00:50:42.489
portfolio website for all my school projects

00:50:42.489 --> 00:50:46.849
and whatnot. As I say, I hate my portfolio site

00:50:46.849 --> 00:50:52.769
the most. Oh, yeah. But just because I have more

00:50:52.769 --> 00:50:55.889
passion for my own business than the portfolio

00:50:55.889 --> 00:51:02.670
side, it's like if I was really, if I needed

00:51:02.670 --> 00:51:05.289
to do something else to support my business,

00:51:05.429 --> 00:51:11.150
I would show my business as my portfolio versus

00:51:11.150 --> 00:51:14.550
the other stuff that I've ever done. It's not

00:51:14.550 --> 00:51:19.329
that the other stuff was. crap. It's just that

00:51:19.329 --> 00:51:23.309
I spend more time and energy on this than my

00:51:23.309 --> 00:51:26.809
portfolio. And it was like, you got to revamp

00:51:26.809 --> 00:51:29.670
it and whatnot. And even my other professors

00:51:29.670 --> 00:51:32.070
said to me, it's like, Jimmy, your website is

00:51:32.070 --> 00:51:34.909
your portfolio. And it's like, screw your other

00:51:34.909 --> 00:51:37.369
one. It's like, are you really going to show

00:51:37.369 --> 00:51:42.769
somebody your, I don't know, 15 second video?

00:51:44.929 --> 00:51:47.630
of something that you did in class and it's like

00:51:47.630 --> 00:51:54.429
no and she's like exactly that's right yeah because

00:51:54.429 --> 00:51:57.530
you you grew you moved on and you moved on to

00:51:57.530 --> 00:51:59.730
better things that's your business site now and

00:51:59.730 --> 00:52:02.530
that makes total sense that you would leverage

00:52:02.530 --> 00:52:04.989
that show that as what you're doing now that's

00:52:04.989 --> 00:52:07.869
the that's who jimmy is now you you don't really

00:52:07.869 --> 00:52:10.929
need to show who jimmy was five ten years ago

00:52:10.929 --> 00:52:17.840
right Yeah. I actually do. I do have it linked

00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:22.860
up on my about page. Okay. But I was like, I'm

00:52:22.860 --> 00:52:28.719
not ashamed of it, but just to my horror of it,

00:52:28.900 --> 00:52:31.659
it's like my website's more for crazy fitness

00:52:31.659 --> 00:52:36.940
guys, a little bit more interesting and up to

00:52:36.940 --> 00:52:42.739
date than the other things. Yeah. It's garbage.

00:52:44.239 --> 00:52:49.679
Got to start somewhere. I appreciate you being

00:52:49.679 --> 00:52:51.920
on the show and I would love to have you back

00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:55.579
in the future. Well, Jimmy, I was really happy

00:52:55.579 --> 00:52:58.880
to connect with you and it's been such a great

00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.079
conversation. I've had a blast. Thank you for

00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:03.800
having me. Thank you. And let's stay in touch.

00:53:04.219 --> 00:53:07.480
All right. I'd love that. Awesome. Have a good

00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.550
rest of your day. Thanks. You too. So that's

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