As You Age, Does Autism Change? Julie Meyerowitz (Part 2)

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to part two of Autism Can Change. Enjoy. How

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do you think that that affects you? Do you think

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it affects you in any way related to autism or

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not necessarily? I don't think, I don't really

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think that. I feel like, I feel like, I just

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like the way how I feel. I fit in all my clothes.

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I don't have to wear. Baggy shirts. Right. My

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cousins like to joke with me. It's like, oh,

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bulk up. And it's like, I can't. I have spinal

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stenosis. If I bulk up somewhere, I can't bulk

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up from my shoulders. Then I'll just look absolutely

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weird. So I have to stay around this. I'm like,

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even my... My joshu in karate, who's a rank underneath

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my sensei, who was trained to be a sensei one

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day, he has proven that you don't need muscle

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in order to take down something like 20 times

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bigger than you. I mean, okay, maybe not 20 times,

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but... It's a lot bigger. This guy had, like,

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a lot of weight on him. I mean, like, all muscle,

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obviously. But he still took him down because

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when you're, like... big and bulk up your punches

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tend to like slow -mo and oh i didn't know that

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and it's like your muscles get in the way so

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you have to come around bigger muscles get in

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the way that when you say it it makes sense to

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me i always thought like you know more muscles

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the better yeah um the way that we choose the

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jiu -jitsu i'm sorry go ahead It's more powerful,

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but not faster. Yeah, and so, but when you're

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in a mean kind of writing machine, you kind of

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get it out faster, and you have better time,

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better reflexes, and so it's like, oh, it's not

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going to take me maybe a second or two seconds

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to move out of the way. It's going to be like

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less than a second. Yeah. So, So the way that

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we chose the jujitsu school for my girls, one

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of the things that drew us in is they had posted

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videos of their teacher. I don't know what a

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jujitsu teacher is called. I don't think it's

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sensei. We just call him the teacher. We call

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him by his name. But they had videos of him and

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his daughter, who was about, I don't know, like

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six or seven. And she was taking him down. He

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was like, he's not a little guy. And we're like,

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yes, we want that for our daughters. And when

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he met them, he said, yes, I believe that every

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girl should know how to choke a boy. And the

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girls were like, yes, let's do this. Good Lord.

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Are you scared of my daughters now? Let me run.

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They're much smaller than you, but they are being

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trained by this person. Just out of curiosity,

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what made you want to become a speech therapist?

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Can I tell you? I didn't. My mom pressured me

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into it. But eventually I did. I was inspired

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by, if I say the name Annie Sullivan, do you

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know who that is? I think I heard the name before.

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Right. She was a teacher for Helen Keller. Have

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you heard of Helen Keller? I believe I did. Yeah,

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so she was a woman. Helen Keller, the two of

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them together were very famous probably about

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100 years ago in the earlier part of the last

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century. Helen Keller was a woman who, as a little

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girl, she was born with sight and hearing. But

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because of an acute infection, um she lost her

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sight in her hearing um i think before she was

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speaking yeah i think she was a baby she was

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a baby um and her father had been i think he

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was a general but it was like a fairly wealthy

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southern family and they hired a teacher um annie

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sullivan who herself was blind but could hear

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or um i don't know if she was totally blind um

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i think she could see to a degree but also not

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to a degree and she had learned sign language

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and braille and she came to the south i'm not

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going to remember exactly where um to live with

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the family and to teach helen and there are movies

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and plays about this and i have a theater background

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and uh i've been familiar with the movies and

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the play um of this moment that annie have worked

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with Helen and the family to help Helen be able

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to communicate. And, and then Helen over the,

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together with Annie, but also on her own over

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the course of her life was able to really, nobody's

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asked me that question in years. Helen was able

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Podcast link in the show notes. Now let's get

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back to the show. Just, like, I guess own her

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piece of the world and express herself to the

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world in a way that wouldn't have been possible

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without Annie. um and they're like in the movie

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in the play there's that moment where helen's

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able to speak for the first time she first she's

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i think she's been signing at that point for

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a while uh functionally but she's able to speak

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she says the word wawa for water um which is

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very emotional because you've been like watching

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all the struggle leading up until that moment

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you're like everybody's like cheering for the

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two of them and especially for helen and then

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also us as the audience know this historical

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figure helen keller who was just like so eloquent,

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and so, I, I just, like, just spoke out, not

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just for herself, and people just like her, but,

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like, she spoke out for, for a lot of people,

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and was, was very, um, she was able to accomplish

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a lot in her life. The one thing, so, That's

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what I wanted to be able to do as a speech therapist

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when I got to the other side of it I found I

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was like helping people correct speech sounds

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was a lot of it but I was more interested in

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language and helping people to be able to Make

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connections and with with other people and to

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be able to like I Guess own their piece of the

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world and their way and As a speech therapist,

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I was becoming frustrated because I felt like

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I feel like there's a lot that speech therapy

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can do for people on the autism spectrum. There

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is a lot, but I felt like I've gone on for further

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training to specialize in something called RDI,

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which is relationship development intervention,

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which was designed for autism. And it's been

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found helpful for other things. But one of the

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things that I didn't want to be for my client,

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for the children or for the parents is, and I

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still think that what Annie Sullivan did for

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Helen Keller and her family was fantastic, but

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I don't want them to be dependent on me forever.

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Like Helen and Annie, like I think they lived

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together for most of their lives after that.

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And, I mean, maybe it was, I don't know them.

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I mean, they're passed away at this point, but

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I want to be able to, like, help, like, get to

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that moment, but then help people to be independent,

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like, help parents to be independent in their

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relationship with their child in order for the

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child to ultimately be independent and then accomplish

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for themselves what they want to accomplish.

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So that was... That's kind of why I wanted to

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be a speech therapist, but then also why I wanted

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to move beyond that also. I have another question

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for you. Sure. What's the difference between

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a speech and language therapist? We are trained

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these days as a speech language therapist. My

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official degree says a speech language pathologist.

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It's something that we are trained to do both,

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but a lot of folks with this training, are more

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interested in one or the other. So speech is

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like the sounds, like the speech sounds, like

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the ability for the people to make the sounds

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with their mouth in order to be able to express

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their thoughts. And language, the language piece

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of it is being able to understand the words and

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understand the communication of other people

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and being able to put your thoughts into words

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and communication that other people can understand.

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So just two different aspects of what a speech

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-language pathologist is trained in. But at schools,

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they just call us speech therapists because nobody

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has time to say that long name. Yes. Well, I

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have a similar story to share with you. Sure.

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To be honest, I didn't know I wanted to be a

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motivational speaker slash public speaker either.

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I mean, not either, but I didn't know if I wanted

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to be that. I started in college as a personal

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trainer. Cool. But let's just say I was... I

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was in a class with a teacher that was very less

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than helpful. Less than helpful, you said? Yeah,

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very less than helpful. If he told you to study

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A on the test, A was not on the test. It's like

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he's trying to make you fail. And he even says,

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well, you can't really make a study guide in

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my class. And how do you study? Well, you're

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just supposed to know it. Like all of it. Memorize

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the book. Here, let me put a chip in my head

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so I can download it like Google. That's so hard.

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Yeah. And so then I, but before I got to that

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teacher, I switched majors, one to many. I did

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that too. But I kind of feel like it's kind of

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healthy to switch it in community college because

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it's like, I mean, I wouldn't say it's cheap,

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but I mean. It's not the same. I mean, it's still

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expensive, but I mean, it's not like. It's like

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$25 ,000 per class. Right. And so I went from

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personal training to game design to web design.

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Cool. Actually, no, maybe it was web design to

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game design back to personal training. Well,

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and then that's when I met that teacher. And,

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like, all my other teachers, like, nutrition

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teacher, she was awesome, and it's great. And

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she taught me a lot of, she taught me a lot.

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She even told me what the FDA stuff is meant

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on the package. Yeah. It means absolutely nothing.

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It means absolutely nothing is because their

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guidelines are not strict enough. So if I ever

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had my own product, I mean like some kind of

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protein powder, I would never ever have FDA approved

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because that bar is so gosh darn low. It's the

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truth. And then but then And the reason I switched

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not working, and I'm like... Oh, boy. Yeah. I'm

00:17:52.450 --> 00:17:55.690
not going to do that. And it's like, wake me

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up in the middle of the morning. No. No. So you're

00:18:01.759 --> 00:18:03.460
thinking instead to be a motivational speaker?

00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:11.039
Well, yeah. And so me and my mom, she always

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had this suggestion of doing something I'm good

00:18:16.900 --> 00:18:21.460
at. And honestly, I'm good at running my mouth,

00:18:21.559 --> 00:18:30.319
but that's part of it. And so, I mean, like,

00:18:30.339 --> 00:18:36.400
over the years, my mom has always been advocating

00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:40.779
for me. But then when I got older into middle

00:18:40.779 --> 00:18:44.160
school, in middle school, I was starting to advocate

00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.640
for myself. That's great that you're able to

00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:51.339
do that. And so now I kind of want to help motivate

00:18:51.339 --> 00:18:58.500
people to be. to live a healthy life and also

00:18:58.500 --> 00:19:08.059
motivate others on the spectrum to stand up for

00:19:08.059 --> 00:19:13.200
yourself and advocate for yourself. Along those

00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.420
lines, is there anything that you or your parents

00:19:16.420 --> 00:19:22.119
were told that you would not be able to do because

00:19:22.119 --> 00:19:24.259
you are autistic that you're like, Well, look

00:19:24.259 --> 00:19:27.259
at that, that you are now able to do. Well, I

00:19:27.259 --> 00:19:31.920
wouldn't say because I was autistic. I'll give

00:19:31.920 --> 00:19:38.299
you an early story. I had this other doctor who

00:19:38.299 --> 00:19:41.339
kept my mom and my dad waiting for hours on end.

00:19:42.980 --> 00:19:47.299
I don't know why he did that. I don't necessarily

00:19:47.299 --> 00:19:51.339
remember that part, but he said to my mom that

00:19:51.339 --> 00:19:53.400
I would never be able to walk without braces

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or crutches. And now what belt are you? Yeah,

00:19:58.559 --> 00:20:01.859
I'm training for my leg green belt in karate.

00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:06.059
And I don't have any braces or crutches, and

00:20:06.059 --> 00:20:12.299
I never have them. And hopefully I will. I would

00:20:12.299 --> 00:20:16.599
love to meet that doctor again. I don't know

00:20:16.599 --> 00:20:19.619
if that would be healthy for him. Yeah, probably

00:20:19.619 --> 00:20:22.420
not. Yeah. Anything else, like with communication,

00:20:22.680 --> 00:20:25.980
that people said that, or that your parents didn't

00:20:25.980 --> 00:20:30.819
expect would be possible? Well, my mom was nervous

00:20:30.819 --> 00:20:38.440
years ago that I wasn't speaking at the right

00:20:38.440 --> 00:20:44.579
age, and my dad's dad, all of a sudden, was like,

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And I was like, don't worry, he will talk eventually.

00:20:47.990 --> 00:20:51.970
And then when he does, well, she never talked.

00:20:53.289 --> 00:20:58.690
Did that come true? Yep. So until what age were

00:20:58.690 --> 00:21:00.650
you not talking? Do you know? Do you know how

00:21:00.650 --> 00:21:05.710
late that went? I think it was like in the first...

00:21:05.710 --> 00:21:13.480
I don't even know. I think maybe, like, one,

00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:20.140
two, maybe three. Yeah, I would say, like, one,

00:21:20.220 --> 00:21:22.599
like, not everybody talks at one, but, like,

00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:25.559
two or three. So, like, two or three and still

00:21:25.559 --> 00:21:29.819
not talking, maybe? Yeah, and I always, like,

00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:32.599
the reason why my parents knew what I wanted

00:21:32.599 --> 00:21:35.640
is because I started figuring out pointing to

00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.640
stuff, so I was, like, but I always said, bah.

00:21:40.019 --> 00:21:43.079
You were telling me about that, yeah. I sound

00:21:43.079 --> 00:21:50.559
like a sheep. You didn't look like a sheep. No,

00:21:50.559 --> 00:22:00.160
I was a sheep with a big head. But obviously,

00:22:00.359 --> 00:22:02.180
now here you are with a podcast and you're a

00:22:02.180 --> 00:22:05.119
motivational speaker. Yeah, who would have thought?

00:22:05.160 --> 00:22:09.880
Never say never, right? Yeah. My friends like

00:22:09.880 --> 00:22:13.759
to mess with me, and they say, well, you're a

00:22:13.759 --> 00:22:16.799
motivation speaker. I was like, yeah, I tend

00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:21.359
to talk a lot, and I never shut up. Well, I think

00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:24.039
you have a lot to share with people. Something

00:22:24.039 --> 00:22:26.779
I wanted to talk about is, because we were talking

00:22:26.779 --> 00:22:28.720
about autism can change, and those are great

00:22:28.720 --> 00:22:32.279
examples. At least the second one is something

00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:36.039
that tends to be a challenge in folks who are

00:22:36.039 --> 00:22:39.859
on the autism spectrum. that people are often

00:22:39.859 --> 00:22:41.900
told, well, this isn't going to get better. Or

00:22:41.900 --> 00:22:45.079
if at a certain age it's not better, then to

00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:51.359
stop hoping, God forbid. But do you think that

00:22:51.359 --> 00:22:53.799
the brain changes? What do you think? That the

00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:56.240
brain can change? I think the brain changes.

00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:07.410
For myself, I think I was also told that I'm

00:23:07.410 --> 00:23:10.430
going to have a lot of dramatic meltdowns and

00:23:10.430 --> 00:23:16.690
whatnot. And trust me, I had, I would say, more

00:23:16.690 --> 00:23:20.250
than my fair share. Okay. I can't give you an

00:23:20.250 --> 00:23:22.130
exact number because I would just be impossible.

00:23:22.269 --> 00:23:23.529
You weren't counting them. You weren't, like,

00:23:23.529 --> 00:23:26.490
clicking them off. No. Okay, good. If I did,

00:23:26.609 --> 00:23:31.769
I'd be super crazy. You're taking data. Some

00:23:31.769 --> 00:23:34.329
people call that taking data. Yeah, I wasn't

00:23:34.329 --> 00:23:38.630
that good. I would fail. Help yourself and become

00:23:38.630 --> 00:23:47.950
a scientist. And I had way too many meltdowns.

00:23:49.369 --> 00:23:54.490
But after getting into fitness and karate, and

00:23:54.490 --> 00:24:00.059
I've been... Every time I... Maybe not every

00:24:00.059 --> 00:24:03.880
single time, but sometimes I'm really extra annoyed

00:24:03.880 --> 00:24:17.019
from my blogging or companies bothering me. There

00:24:17.019 --> 00:24:19.900
are so many ads these days wherever you go. There

00:24:19.900 --> 00:24:23.359
are ads in movie theaters, on TV, on radio, and

00:24:23.359 --> 00:24:25.980
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00:24:53.319 --> 00:24:56.450
podcast link in the show notes. Now let's get

00:24:56.450 --> 00:25:04.750
back to the show. I try to attempt to make a

00:25:04.750 --> 00:25:10.009
joke out of it. It's great. I was like, oh, this

00:25:10.009 --> 00:25:18.170
is being a bunch of tools. Yeah. Beep. You know,

00:25:18.170 --> 00:25:23.640
I have somewhat of a filter. Okay. it's interesting

00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.359
like a lot of people don't believe well there's

00:25:26.359 --> 00:25:28.059
two sides to this there's another one that especially

00:25:28.059 --> 00:25:29.980
speaking to an adult on the autism spectrum i

00:25:29.980 --> 00:25:32.980
want to ask about um in a minute uh because it's

00:25:32.980 --> 00:25:35.259
something that i'm really realizing recently

00:25:35.259 --> 00:25:39.900
i want to educate myself more in but um like

00:25:39.900 --> 00:25:41.680
a lot of people just don't think that the brain

00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:45.160
can change like there's um somebody who's coaching

00:25:45.160 --> 00:25:48.299
group that i'm in now and one of the first question

00:25:48.299 --> 00:25:50.319
she asked me when we met before I was in her

00:25:50.319 --> 00:25:51.759
coaching group. She's like, can the brain change?

00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:54.579
And she has, she's very bright and very accomplished.

00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:56.900
She has a doctorate in education. So it seems

00:25:56.900 --> 00:25:58.339
like this is like not a message that's getting

00:25:58.339 --> 00:26:01.480
out there, but the thing is like the, like it's

00:26:01.480 --> 00:26:04.380
harder, it's harder to stop the brain from changing

00:26:04.380 --> 00:26:11.619
than it is to change the brain. Does that make

00:26:11.619 --> 00:26:14.500
sense when I'm saying that? Yeah. Like I totally

00:26:14.500 --> 00:26:19.109
agree with you. Like another, uh example i uh

00:26:19.109 --> 00:26:23.829
there was a time uh where i used to speak my

00:26:23.829 --> 00:26:29.430
piece uh one too many and i said stuff bluntly

00:26:29.430 --> 00:26:36.309
even now and i mean i don't do that anymore but

00:26:36.309 --> 00:26:42.329
i mean i don't make a habit of it and i don't

00:26:42.329 --> 00:26:49.079
do it anymore and this is uh um like This might

00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:54.740
sound, have you ever seen the kids movie 101

00:26:54.740 --> 00:26:57.980
Dalmatians? Oh, it's been so long, but yeah.

00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:04.920
The lady who Cruella de Vil. Cruella de Vil,

00:27:05.039 --> 00:27:08.740
yes. Yeah, well, there's this person back in

00:27:08.740 --> 00:27:15.960
my, back in high school. She looks exactly like

00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:20.319
her. Another student or a teacher? No, this was

00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:24.420
like faculty. She just worked for the school

00:27:24.420 --> 00:27:29.240
district. My mom was always like, every time

00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:32.960
I was around my mom, I would whisper to her,

00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:38.960
like, there she is. Don't say that. What? Say

00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:43.680
what? It's like, you very well know what. I wasn't

00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:45.460
going to say anything. It's like, you better

00:27:45.460 --> 00:27:51.099
not. And so I was like, I never said that at

00:27:51.099 --> 00:27:54.859
all. But by the time I saw her, I was like, there

00:27:54.859 --> 00:27:59.140
she is. Look, I'm meeting the real one. So what

00:27:59.140 --> 00:28:01.259
you're saying now is like you have learned not

00:28:01.259 --> 00:28:04.759
to. do that well I mean also I learned not to

00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:07.059
do that I mean I said all this stuff bluntly

00:28:07.059 --> 00:28:10.380
to other people but I never said that name to

00:28:10.380 --> 00:28:13.119
her whatsoever but I thought in my mind it's

00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:17.740
like that's her and my my mom ever my mom uh

00:28:17.740 --> 00:28:20.920
says like don't say that it was like I was like

00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:23.079
don't let her hear you say that and don't ever

00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:29.819
say it and but um and so I never have but um

00:28:29.819 --> 00:28:38.680
uh I definitely, but I basically learned to train

00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:43.420
to not say stuff bluntly. Like, there's times

00:28:43.420 --> 00:28:48.680
where I get annoyed at companies now, you know,

00:28:48.700 --> 00:28:51.619
with so many of my website and podcasting. I

00:28:51.619 --> 00:28:56.680
said to a few people, I said, there's stuff where

00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.589
I said to my parents where I'm like, I wouldn't

00:29:00.589 --> 00:29:02.369
say an angry move, but I'm just kind of in a

00:29:02.369 --> 00:29:04.369
very, very frustrating mood that I'm just letting

00:29:04.369 --> 00:29:06.670
it out. I was like, oh, I want to tell them this,

00:29:06.690 --> 00:29:09.150
this, this, this, and then that. And then my

00:29:09.150 --> 00:29:11.430
parents sometimes still jump to it. It's like,

00:29:11.509 --> 00:29:13.609
you're not really going to tell them that, aren't

00:29:13.609 --> 00:29:16.369
you? I was like, no, but I'm going to say it

00:29:16.369 --> 00:29:19.470
right now, so I don't say it. So it sounds like

00:29:19.470 --> 00:29:22.230
you've developed just more self -awareness and

00:29:22.230 --> 00:29:25.269
more ability to think through, well, what will

00:29:25.269 --> 00:29:27.390
this lead to? Do I want that result? And found

00:29:27.390 --> 00:29:31.349
alternatives. that you can still get your feelings

00:29:31.349 --> 00:29:33.009
out. It's not like you have to press it down,

00:29:33.190 --> 00:29:37.569
but in a way that's more helpful and less destructive.

00:29:38.230 --> 00:29:41.630
The first response I want to give some companies

00:29:41.630 --> 00:29:46.009
that annoy me through email and everything, and

00:29:46.009 --> 00:29:49.029
I know they're not trying to, but they just kind

00:29:49.029 --> 00:29:57.759
of get to me at times where there's some people

00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.400
who's stealing my train trying to steal my trademark

00:30:00.400 --> 00:30:03.339
and you mentioned that yeah and some companies

00:30:03.339 --> 00:30:06.900
uh some hosting companies like tell me it's like

00:30:06.900 --> 00:30:09.299
well you don't technically own the domain until

00:30:09.299 --> 00:30:12.539
it's registered with the uspto it's like well

00:30:12.539 --> 00:30:15.200
when i when i finally get to when i get registered

00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:20.180
with the uspto you'd be the first person there's

00:30:20.180 --> 00:30:22.660
always like what you want to say but then like

00:30:23.049 --> 00:30:25.630
what outcome that you want and like you have

00:30:25.630 --> 00:30:27.990
to figure out like well basically i kind of said

00:30:27.990 --> 00:30:31.369
it that way but i mean i said to a point where

00:30:31.369 --> 00:30:36.309
it meant that but in a different way and so right

00:30:36.309 --> 00:30:39.349
and plus and i threw my lawyer in there too and

00:30:39.349 --> 00:30:42.250
say again if you know him and come after you

00:30:42.250 --> 00:30:47.470
and like he won't be very friendly yeah so i

00:30:47.470 --> 00:30:49.190
want to ask you another question and i think

00:30:49.579 --> 00:30:51.599
This needs to be my last question because I actually

00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:56.339
need to make dinner for my family. And if you

00:30:56.339 --> 00:30:57.619
have one more question, we could do that, but

00:30:57.619 --> 00:31:02.819
I just need to probably wrap up. But I know you

00:31:02.819 --> 00:31:05.099
can't speak for all people on the autism spectrum,

00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:09.259
but I would rather speak one at a time anyway

00:31:09.259 --> 00:31:12.599
because nobody could speak for all people that

00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:14.539
are like them in one way or another. Well, the

00:31:14.539 --> 00:31:18.500
government tried. Everybody, yeah. It's often

00:31:18.500 --> 00:31:21.799
tried. That would be my only government joke.

00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:31.539
Okay. So I, as a person, as a professional who,

00:31:31.599 --> 00:31:33.839
you know, with my background in speech therapy,

00:31:33.980 --> 00:31:37.140
and now I'm working with, like, coaching parents

00:31:37.140 --> 00:31:43.000
to support their children. I want to understand

00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:45.119
this perspective more because at this point,

00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.460
a lot of the children are not able to communicate

00:31:48.460 --> 00:31:50.279
with us in a way that we understand necessarily.

00:31:51.220 --> 00:31:54.500
So we have to sort of extrapolate from adults

00:31:54.500 --> 00:31:56.180
on the spectrum reflecting on their experience.

00:31:57.279 --> 00:32:00.000
I know that a lot of adults on the autism spectrum

00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:09.690
are very upset with a lot of People like me who

00:32:09.690 --> 00:32:13.009
are professionals trying to help parents or professionals

00:32:13.009 --> 00:32:19.450
trying to help the children. To. I guess be different

00:32:19.450 --> 00:32:24.250
in some way to change. I guess I just want to

00:32:24.250 --> 00:32:28.930
get your perspective on that. Like. Do I need

00:32:28.930 --> 00:32:30.890
to specify my questions or why don't you ask

00:32:30.890 --> 00:32:32.509
me questions about my question if it's not clear?

00:32:33.329 --> 00:32:40.970
I understand it. Yeah. I don't necessarily think

00:32:40.970 --> 00:32:46.569
that we all, I think that, I said this to somebody

00:32:46.569 --> 00:32:51.950
I, uh, recently, uh, I forget who I said it to,

00:32:52.049 --> 00:32:55.529
uh, but, I mean, because I talk a lot to a lot

00:32:55.529 --> 00:32:59.650
of people, um, they, I said to somebody that,

00:32:59.670 --> 00:33:06.930
that autism, like, uh, I don't, like, I, I don't

00:33:06.930 --> 00:33:11.259
fault for anybody, for helping us change in a

00:33:11.259 --> 00:33:15.759
good way. But I feel like that there should be

00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:20.980
kind of a limit. Okay. I feel like it's okay

00:33:20.980 --> 00:33:26.259
to have a different uniqueness in the world because

00:33:26.259 --> 00:33:29.940
no one is the same in the world. And if anybody

00:33:29.940 --> 00:33:32.680
has ever watched that episode of Spongebob...

00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.519
You're going to have to catch me up about a Spongebob

00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:41.400
episode. And he watches this, Squidward's just

00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:46.140
like, can you ever become normal? While SpongeBob

00:33:46.140 --> 00:33:48.859
watches this whole video of being normal. And

00:33:48.859 --> 00:33:55.039
he turns into this, like, rounded person. He's

00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.960
a sponge. That's who he is. And he's like, I'm

00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:06.359
normal. he's he's he's printing crabby patties

00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:10.739
from my computer and there's nothing there's

00:34:10.739 --> 00:34:13.179
no such thing as normal and it's like our whole

00:34:13.179 --> 00:34:15.019
world's not normal right now in this whole freaking

00:34:15.019 --> 00:34:18.000
pandemic right right right now what what is normal

00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:22.159
right yeah and it's like what what is i would

00:34:22.159 --> 00:34:25.940
i would love to be able to ask uh someone like

00:34:25.940 --> 00:34:28.699
what what is your definition of normal and it's

00:34:28.699 --> 00:34:30.780
like i was like how am i and you're gonna see

00:34:30.780 --> 00:34:33.059
that there's variation in that yeah so then that

00:34:33.059 --> 00:34:35.179
brings back to the question like so then what

00:34:35.179 --> 00:34:38.579
is normal yeah yeah and so i kind of like i feel

00:34:38.579 --> 00:34:42.920
like there's a that it would be like to the point

00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:45.500
i mean there should be like a cut off it's like

00:34:45.500 --> 00:34:48.639
okay you can like help us to get to a certain

00:34:48.639 --> 00:34:52.389
point right then there's like Okay, we don't

00:34:52.389 --> 00:34:55.309
really need to change for everyone. As I said,

00:34:55.449 --> 00:34:59.909
we might need to change to get a job to support

00:34:59.909 --> 00:35:04.210
ourselves, who can get a job and support themselves.

00:35:04.650 --> 00:35:10.309
But I shouldn't have to change everything about

00:35:10.309 --> 00:35:15.760
who I am. I like books. video games but just

00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.800
someone else doesn't like video games doesn't

00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:20.420
mean as i honestly if you don't like video games

00:35:20.420 --> 00:35:23.000
i don't play video games for that person but

00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:26.059
i want but don't tell me it's like oh you're

00:35:26.059 --> 00:35:29.440
too old to play video games there's so many adults

00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:32.960
now playing video games a lot a lot who play

00:35:32.960 --> 00:35:37.760
for adults and it's like there's certain certainly

00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:39.659
video games that i do not think children should

00:35:39.659 --> 00:35:42.599
be playing yeah obviously but i'm done all right

00:35:43.989 --> 00:35:47.849
So I feel like I'm getting abroad, but I'd like

00:35:47.849 --> 00:35:50.030
to clarify because I feel like this is important

00:35:50.030 --> 00:35:53.030
for me to know, right? Because I don't want to

00:35:53.030 --> 00:35:55.610
be hurting anybody. I think all of us here on

00:35:55.610 --> 00:36:00.530
my side of this question, I don't think even

00:36:00.530 --> 00:36:03.389
there are certain modalities and things that

00:36:03.389 --> 00:36:07.650
a lot of people, I don't know that anybody who

00:36:07.650 --> 00:36:09.630
is autistic can speak for everybody who's autistic,

00:36:09.769 --> 00:36:12.360
but I've heard a lot of people on the autism

00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.820
spectrum are very upset with. But I would say

00:36:14.820 --> 00:36:17.099
like, even the people doing those modalities

00:36:17.099 --> 00:36:19.179
are not coming to hurt people on the autism spectrum.

00:36:19.840 --> 00:36:23.539
So like the same way I'm trying really not to,

00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:26.760
I'm trying to be helpful ultimately for the child

00:36:26.760 --> 00:36:29.940
or for an adult, an independent adult who would

00:36:29.940 --> 00:36:31.840
come to work with me. And of course, like they're

00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:33.659
choosing it. So there's less of a question there.

00:36:34.460 --> 00:36:36.519
So I'm hearing that you're saying that there's

00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:41.719
good help and change. And then. There's the not

00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:45.659
good. And what I'm hearing is if it's helping

00:36:45.659 --> 00:36:50.820
somebody to be independent and to live their

00:36:50.820 --> 00:36:54.260
life the way that they want as functionally as

00:36:54.260 --> 00:36:56.920
possible, that would be good. But if you're trying

00:36:56.920 --> 00:37:01.769
to change that person on the spectrum. into somebody

00:37:01.769 --> 00:37:05.889
else to like act right like i'm putting i'm realizing

00:37:05.889 --> 00:37:07.190
this is not going to be a video this is going

00:37:07.190 --> 00:37:08.909
to be audio so i'm putting quotes like to like

00:37:08.909 --> 00:37:11.190
quote unquote act the right way or act like somebody

00:37:11.190 --> 00:37:12.989
who's neurotypical that's when it crosses the

00:37:12.989 --> 00:37:16.849
line yeah like i was like yeah i want this person

00:37:16.849 --> 00:37:22.789
to be a version of me right no i really don't

00:37:22.789 --> 00:37:25.690
want that i feel like i'm i'm i'm more than enough

00:37:25.690 --> 00:37:30.269
julies Well, I think we need to be more Jimmy's

00:37:30.269 --> 00:37:34.030
than the world. Okay. Like a hundred times. Okay.

00:37:34.090 --> 00:37:36.389
So then what you're saying is that when I'm working

00:37:36.389 --> 00:37:37.969
with families, I should make sure that all of

00:37:37.969 --> 00:37:40.550
the children turn out to be like you. And that

00:37:40.550 --> 00:37:48.050
would be good. clone yourself and it's like you

00:37:48.050 --> 00:37:51.530
will only get um and it's like but you won't

00:37:51.530 --> 00:37:53.510
get all the other stuff with you and it's like

00:37:53.510 --> 00:37:55.650
well then i need to make a perfect clone of myself

00:37:55.650 --> 00:38:00.610
i mean like literally the same same image of

00:38:00.610 --> 00:38:04.010
me just multiple exact time because it's like

00:38:04.010 --> 00:38:06.469
i need somebody who could just run my website

00:38:06.469 --> 00:38:08.710
for me and that oh well that that's a different

00:38:08.710 --> 00:38:10.849
thing that's a different thing that that's when

00:38:10.849 --> 00:38:13.090
it comes to hiring people like when you've sort

00:38:13.090 --> 00:38:16.539
of grown beyond Your own physical capability.

00:38:16.739 --> 00:38:19.159
I only met one web designer who can actually

00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.480
explain stuff to me in a very good way. Well,

00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:25.400
that's who you hire. Yeah. I would love to hire

00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:28.960
him because he's awesome. Yeah. Okay. But then

00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.500
that one little, one little more question. And

00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:32.800
I'm actually the one who's running out of time.

00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.619
I don't know if you are also. Masking. You're

00:38:36.619 --> 00:38:39.280
familiar with this term masking. Yeah. I heard

00:38:39.280 --> 00:38:44.590
of it. So I feel like that. Do you want me to

00:38:44.590 --> 00:38:47.289
explain it? Should I explain it? At least for

00:38:47.289 --> 00:38:50.690
the audience, I guess. Yeah, and then if you

00:38:50.690 --> 00:38:53.869
want to add nuance to it. So my understanding

00:38:53.869 --> 00:38:57.530
of masking is it's probably not exclusively happening

00:38:57.530 --> 00:39:01.170
in autism, but it's commonly happening in autism

00:39:01.170 --> 00:39:04.489
with particularly adults who are considered to

00:39:04.489 --> 00:39:08.809
be higher functioning. That it's like the folks

00:39:08.809 --> 00:39:11.800
who were got like the treatments or whatever

00:39:11.800 --> 00:39:14.639
that are getting that they know how to they know

00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:16.760
how to fit in they know how to act right but

00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:20.539
it's not necessarily but there's but but you

00:39:20.539 --> 00:39:22.900
know act right i'm saying in quotes like act

00:39:22.900 --> 00:39:26.219
the way that the neurotypical folks are encouraging

00:39:26.219 --> 00:39:29.980
them to act but then there's which in and of

00:39:29.980 --> 00:39:34.619
itself is not a problem except for that they're

00:39:34.619 --> 00:39:37.900
left with this disconnect with who they really

00:39:37.900 --> 00:39:42.199
are they're able to say the right things and

00:39:42.199 --> 00:39:44.940
do the right things to get the job done, get

00:39:44.940 --> 00:39:48.260
through school, whatever, get through the date

00:39:48.260 --> 00:39:50.960
or meeting the friendship or whatever, you know,

00:39:50.960 --> 00:39:53.960
starting a friendship. But it doesn't feel like

00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:57.980
it's really them, so... That was me back in middle

00:39:57.980 --> 00:40:01.199
school, high school, elementary school. So it's

00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:02.659
like you were able to play the game, but it didn't

00:40:02.659 --> 00:40:05.480
feel real. Yeah, I felt like I was living in

00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:09.219
another world of... Who the hell is Jimmy Claire?

00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.420
That's terrifying. Let's Google that. She says,

00:40:12.579 --> 00:40:19.579
sorry, I don't know that information. Okay, so

00:40:19.579 --> 00:40:23.280
that didn't solve it. But okay, but it sounds

00:40:23.280 --> 00:40:25.800
like, but you say that in past tense, which is

00:40:25.800 --> 00:40:28.699
fantastic. I mean, it's not fantastic that it

00:40:28.699 --> 00:40:31.619
was, that you did have that, but the fact that

00:40:31.619 --> 00:40:33.340
it's in the past is fantastic. It means that

00:40:33.340 --> 00:40:37.340
you were able to be aware. And then do something

00:40:37.340 --> 00:40:42.719
for yourself to be yourself in the world and

00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.219
still get done what you want to get done. And

00:40:45.219 --> 00:40:47.539
that's when I just started to create a website

00:40:47.539 --> 00:40:50.760
and talk about me. That's awesome. So that was

00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.599
like three years ago, you're saying? Yeah, exactly

00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:57.119
three. Today? November 3rd, three years ago?

00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:02.800
Three years since April of this year. And that's

00:41:02.800 --> 00:41:06.440
when I started my podcast in April. from my mark

00:41:06.440 --> 00:41:10.239
my third year of learning crazy fitness guy that's

00:41:10.239 --> 00:41:13.739
awesome so so for you it sounds like what broke

00:41:13.739 --> 00:41:16.940
down that barrier is that you didn't lose the

00:41:16.940 --> 00:41:21.599
ability to I'm calling it like get the job done

00:41:21.599 --> 00:41:24.519
and move through the neurotypical world to accomplish

00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:27.519
what you wanted to you were still able to do

00:41:27.519 --> 00:41:31.860
that but as yourself now and what I'm hearing

00:41:31.860 --> 00:41:36.280
is like what What helped you to break down that

00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:39.960
barrier was being openly yourself. Is that a

00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.599
good way to say it? Yeah, I would say that. That's

00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.000
awesome. So I got one more question for you.

00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:51.980
Okay, awesome. Thank you. Where can people find

00:41:51.980 --> 00:42:00.280
you to have people learn more about who you are?

00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.719
Okay, so... Just last night, this is Julie with

00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:08.659
the technology, I started my Facebook group,

00:42:08.699 --> 00:42:13.199
and it's called Hear My Words Autism, I believe.

00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:15.679
I will send you the link because I just started

00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:16.800
it last night. I haven't been using it a lot.

00:42:16.900 --> 00:42:18.320
I'll invite you. You definitely got to invite

00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:21.320
me. I got to invite you. Like, right. Did I not

00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:25.050
invite you? I have to invite you. totally and

00:42:25.050 --> 00:42:26.329
then you'll have the link and then you could

00:42:26.329 --> 00:42:29.269
like post that with us i also have a website

00:42:29.269 --> 00:42:31.289
which has like my phone number and email address

00:42:31.289 --> 00:42:34.690
and i would love to like connect with anybody

00:42:34.690 --> 00:42:40.269
who's looking for this um it's www .hearmywordsautism

00:42:40.269 --> 00:42:43.650
.com and actually i could send you the invite

00:42:43.650 --> 00:42:47.849
for this um um i have a free event on thursday

00:42:47.849 --> 00:42:49.269
i'm going to do another free event on thursday

00:42:49.269 --> 00:42:50.809
i'm going to start trying to do more free events

00:42:50.809 --> 00:42:57.409
um but then A week from today, on November 11th

00:42:57.409 --> 00:43:02.289
at 1130, I'm going to have a free Q &A to kick

00:43:02.289 --> 00:43:07.670
off a series of group courses for parents. And

00:43:07.670 --> 00:43:11.630
in each course, I'm going to be teaching parents

00:43:11.630 --> 00:43:15.369
to master the things that I have done with children

00:43:15.369 --> 00:43:18.369
in the past that have made the most change and

00:43:18.369 --> 00:43:20.400
helped them. the children to connect the most

00:43:20.400 --> 00:43:22.400
and to be able to communicate for themselves

00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:25.579
the most. And I will send you the invite for

00:43:25.579 --> 00:43:31.559
that as well. One more question. Yes, sir. So

00:43:31.559 --> 00:43:37.019
since we probably could go, since this podcast

00:43:37.019 --> 00:43:40.219
is a very long episode. Yeah, I feel like we

00:43:40.219 --> 00:43:41.900
could talk to each other for even more than this.

00:43:42.539 --> 00:43:46.039
So do you think we can do another one in the

00:43:46.039 --> 00:43:49.289
future? That would be awesome. What I would love

00:43:49.289 --> 00:43:52.869
is when you post, do you tend to get feedback

00:43:52.869 --> 00:43:55.909
to your, and can I post this podcast in my Facebook

00:43:55.909 --> 00:43:59.809
group also? Yeah, definitely. What I would love,

00:43:59.849 --> 00:44:02.210
I want to try to start doing this more. Oh, also

00:44:02.210 --> 00:44:06.269
I'm on Facebook live on Wednesday nights at 8

00:44:06.269 --> 00:44:10.489
p .m. Eastern. And I have been coming up with

00:44:10.489 --> 00:44:15.210
the topics, but I would love to see what people

00:44:15.210 --> 00:44:18.420
respond to this. And get our next topic from

00:44:18.420 --> 00:44:23.199
what people want to know more about. Yeah. Unless

00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:26.619
you have a topic in mind. No, I definitely don't.

00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:33.400
I don't have any complaints. I don't have a topic

00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:36.039
in mind. I don't have a topic in mind. Yeah.

00:44:37.659 --> 00:44:39.840
I definitely think we could keep talking to each

00:44:39.840 --> 00:44:44.789
other for the next time. Definitely. I hope it

00:44:44.789 --> 00:44:47.369
was an equal amount of talking. I felt that.

00:44:48.829 --> 00:44:51.090
I hope I wasn't grilling you. I have a lot of

00:44:51.090 --> 00:44:52.849
questions for you, but I hope I wasn't grilling

00:44:52.849 --> 00:44:55.070
you. I don't feel like grilling. Okay, good.

00:44:55.590 --> 00:45:01.630
Well, before we wrap up, I want to say thanks

00:45:01.630 --> 00:45:04.150
for coming on Crazy Fitness Guys Healthy Living

00:45:04.150 --> 00:45:07.030
Podcast. Thank you. Let's definitely stay in

00:45:07.030 --> 00:45:11.610
touch, and hopefully we can do part two maybe

00:45:11.610 --> 00:45:17.250
in... sometime next year. I don't have a date

00:45:17.250 --> 00:45:21.150
yet. Well, you know how to reach me and for sure

00:45:21.150 --> 00:45:23.650
I would love to do it. And once I'm back to doing

00:45:23.650 --> 00:45:25.670
interviews again, I definitely, I've been doing

00:45:25.670 --> 00:45:29.190
colleague interviews, but, and those have been

00:45:29.190 --> 00:45:31.909
a lot of fun, but I definitely would like to

00:45:31.909 --> 00:45:34.849
be doing more. interviews with that I would interview

00:45:34.849 --> 00:45:37.090
adults on the autism spectrum. And this has been

00:45:37.090 --> 00:45:38.829
so helpful for me. I really appreciate it. Thank

00:45:38.829 --> 00:45:41.170
you, Jimmy. And I hope I wasn't too harsh on

00:45:41.170 --> 00:45:47.030
anybody. You didn't name names. So, and they

00:45:47.030 --> 00:45:48.630
know not to mess with you anyway, so they're

00:45:48.630 --> 00:45:54.449
not going to let you know. Hopefully. Okay. Thank

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