As You Age, Does Autism Change? Julie Meyerowitz (Part 1)

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got my friend Julie, who we're going to talk

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about, which we're going to talk about how autism

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can change. I'm really looking forward to this

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episode today, and I think you will really, really

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enjoy it. and maybe we can both embarrass ourselves

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at the same time. I think we're starting to,

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right? Welcome, Julie. Thank you, Jimmy, so much.

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I'm excited about this topic, too. I was excited

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to meet you. I would like to be speaking to more

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adults on the autism spectrum. I could be working

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with adults also. I think I have an adult that

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I'm going to be starting with soon. But I mostly

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work with parents. of children on the autism

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spectrum. And like we had said, when we had spoken

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before, like, I just think that so many parents

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would be excited to meet you. And I think when

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parents are first meeting me, a lot of times

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I think like, this is it. This is, I mean, it's

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hard now. It's hard for me. It's hard for my

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child. And they are getting a lot of messages

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that it's not going to get any better. And meeting

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you, I think. I think more people, I don't want

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to overwhelm you, but I think a lot of people

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would benefit from at least hearing what you

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have to say about your experience. Well, that's

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funny. I'm actually writing, I'm actually creating

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a PowerPoint for a project for my school. And

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I'm going through my whole early childhood at

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the moment. And I was like, wow, I went through

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all this crap. And you're still here. Oh, my

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Lord. It's things that you remember yourself

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or that your parents are sharing with you? What's

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feeding it? My mom was sharing it with me that

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I went through, I had clustered atonement in

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my ear. My daughter had that, yeah. And I was

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like, gee, I went through all this. And I also

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had, and I had to take the three bones of hearing

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out of my ear. That's exactly what just happened

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to my daughter this past year. Jeez, small world.

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You're the only other person that I've ever,

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like, I. Never heard of a cholesteatoma. I'm

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a speech therapist. I never heard of a cholesteatoma

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before, like a year ago. Neither have I until

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I went through it. Right. And I also had my...

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I don't remember if my mom said this or the doctor

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said this. Maybe my mom just... made up, but

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I don't know. I put it in the slide to make it

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sound great anyway. Well, we won't tell. It cuts

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out of the bag anyway. Oh, okay. So what is it?

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What is it? It was, it was like doctors, not

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all doctors have, doctors do not have crystal

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balls so they can't predict the future. Right.

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Take your son home and enjoy him. That's what

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the doctor said. Yeah. What do you think of that?

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Do you think that's good advice or bad advice?

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I'm curious. I agree that it's good advice. Yeah.

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I would say that now doctors have all the answers,

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especially one of my doctors. You think that

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they really do or they just think that they do?

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I think this one thought he knew everything.

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A different doctor more recently? Yeah, this

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year. So what does he think that he knows that

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you've questioned? Well, let's just say he had

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a very poor bedside manner. And I was forced

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to use his audiologist. And I never heard of

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this test. And I don't even think it's legit.

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They wanted to see how much noise I can withstand

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in my ear. And I was like, that's a test or is

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that a torture method? I think it was a mix of

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both. No, actually no, more the other one, torture.

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For sure, yeah. I have to say, I'm not an audiologist,

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so I haven't heard of that one. Neither is my

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current audiologist either. Good, okay. It sounds

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like you found somebody who's a better fit. Yeah.

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So the one who said to your mom, just take him

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home and enjoy him, I don't have a crystal ball.

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First of all, I really like the humility and

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admitting that he's human. I hear I have... parents

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that I've met that have shared their stories

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with me about getting, was that to do with autism

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or to do with the cholesteatoma? This has to

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do, I think, was just because I had doctors measure

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my head because I had a bigger head and I had

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a shorter neck. The doctor eventually found out

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that Big heads running my mom's side of the family.

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Okay. So it could just be like a trait, not necessarily

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I mean, I had to go through multiple MRIs. I

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had to go through multiple MRIs to test the kidneys,

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heart, and whatnot. To see if it was a syndrome

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or something? Is that what they were looking

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for? Okay. Honestly, I don't remember that part

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of it. Yeah. Yeah. So, but I was going to say,

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like, sometimes, like, people will get the, I

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haven't heard yet about the story of your family

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receiving the diagnosis or you realizing about

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autism, but, and I want to, I want to hear about

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that and your thoughts on how it went and if

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you think it went well or it could have been

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done differently. But I have families that say,

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like, they'll, the people who test, whoever these

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people are, will give the diagnosis together

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with a list of, there's one family that they

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said that this is, you know, this is the child's

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diagnosis. Your child has autism and therefore

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she will never be able to. And then like a whole

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long list of things that the child supposedly

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would never be able to do. Yeah. I think I got

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that. I think I got that list too. Your family,

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you personally or your family, what do you remember

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or what do you know from what have you heard

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from your parents? I think it was, Both. More

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of my family, I think. And this was when I moved

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to Pennsylvania when I got the official diagnosis.

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And they told me, I was sat in this room with

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this lady. She asked me so many different questions.

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I went there maybe... a few times. I don't know

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how often, but maybe like once a week, twice

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maybe. Yeah. And I had to go do these different

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things, some of them I couldn't figure out. And

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at the end of all of it, she said that... I told

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my parents I had autism. Okay. And she said,

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like, you won't be able to do this, this, this,

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this, this, this. And I was like, I don't know

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the whole exact list because it was one too many.

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Right. And also probably everybody was not in

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the best mood. Well, yeah, I wouldn't be in the

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best mood either. Right. And obviously I didn't

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understand any of this because it just went through

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one ear and the other. How old were you when

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that happened? I think I was right around in

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elementary school. And it's not like I didn't

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have a brain, but... Right, right. It sounds

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like that. I would say I didn't understand any

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of this language and whatnot. And plus, I honestly

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didn't really care either. Right. I'm sure your

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parents felt differently, though. I mean, I wouldn't

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say I didn't care, but I mean, I didn't care

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because I didn't really understand. So what is

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it to me? Right, right. So do you have any memory

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of that moment? You remember going to the lady,

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it sounds like. Yeah, I remember going to the

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lady. I could basically describe the room for

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you. So you really remember it, yeah. But I remember

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my mom, I think she had a hard time with the

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diagnosis a little bit. But my mom's side of

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the family is very supportive. That's good. I

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have a grandma who loves me. That's awesome.

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And all my cousins love me. That's awesome. And

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all my aunts and uncles. And I joke around with

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them a lot. They treat me like I'm not different

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at all. And I had some of my friends recently

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in the last few years, once I started talking

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about my autism on my website and on my podcast,

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that they were just like, wow, I never knew you

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were autistic. That's so cool. I know my one

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friend since the third grade, and he's like,

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I didn't even know you were autistic. So actually,

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that brings me to a question that I just, I'm

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curious, because when we met, I can't remember

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what the phrase you used. Slightly autistic?

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No, you said like, I am autistic maybe. And then

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I said, oh, I want to hear more about that because

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I had been taught, like originally I trained

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as a speech language pathologist, a speech therapist,

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and they were very adamant to use what they call

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people first language. And then you said, no,

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I choose to use identity first language. Yeah.

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Remember that? Yeah. I remember some of it. You

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don't have to remember every single thing that

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we talked about. I just had a long few weeks.

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I think we've all had quite an interesting year.

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And I'm totally not watching the news today on

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election day. I'm done with the news. I can't.

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I don't have the bandwidth. It sounds like it

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was a conscious choice for you, though. to identify

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as autistic and to be out there about it. It

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sounds like, my guess is that you, well, you

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got the diagnosis in elementary school, so was

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that about 10 years before you decided to start

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speaking openly about it? Yeah, I had a good,

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I was okay to speaking about it because after

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all the years of being bullied and picked on

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because I was autistic and Wait, did I say I

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was autistic? I mean, because I am autistic.

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Right. And I was overweight. I was near obese

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for my age, but in middle school and high school.

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Okay. And so I became comfortable talking about

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being autistic once I got over multiple different

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other challenges because it was like... who's

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going to make fun of me being autistic now? I'd

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be like, so? I don't care. I'd say, make fun

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of me all you want. And it's like, that's just

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going to prove the point that you're just, like,

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that person is just a bad person. And I'd be

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like, it's going to make you look bad, not me.

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Right, exactly. Like, when people are talking

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to you like that, it's not a reflection on who

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you are. on the outside or inside it's like it's

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sharing something about them yeah like thank

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you for revealing yourself and i'm gonna go over

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here now so i actually i did have a question

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you said so that's that you hadn't mentioned

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when we spoke before that about the obesity but

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i was wondering if there was some relationship

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between the fitness and autism like not everything

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about you has to have to do with autism but like

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Do you think that you're interested in the fitness

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in any way to do with the autism, or does it

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help you in any way with the autism symptoms?

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I know when I was, because I'm autistic, I get

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overstimulated by a lot of different kind of

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just... Like, I'm going to give you an example.

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Like, I've been, like, when I do a lot of Google

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searches, I mean, like, I mean, if it's just,

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like, looking for, like, a few articles or, I

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don't know, maybe a few products, I'm okay. But

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if I'm sitting there on hours upon hours of Googling

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something and I still can't find one piece of

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information out of the bunch, my head starts,

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like, overflowing with, what do I do? I don't

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know what I'm doing. Like the frustration and

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anxiety. Yeah, and I'm basically, like, all my

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emotions just pour out, and it's like, I am frustrated.

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It's like, come on, Google, you're supposed to

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be in the crowd. And it's like, AI stupid assistant.

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And it's like, and... And, of course, as I say

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that, I have a Google Home menu in my room. Yeah.

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So they're probably already recording me anyway.

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Oh, my gosh. Sue me or whatever. Whatever. I

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think they're doing okay. Yeah. And so for fitness,

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it has helped me wake up. decent mood uh in the

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get back to the show i don't want to talk Basically,

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if anybody gets in my way in the morning, I turn

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into the incredible Hulk. Especially now that

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with all the fitness and everything. Yeah. Or

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I turn the crazy fitness guy in the back. So

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I guess the fitness was the obesity that you

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didn't want to be picked on anymore. You wanted

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to be seen differently. Is that part of what

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motivated it? What motivated me was because I

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just want the blowing to stop. The blowers started

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picking on me. Then they started picking on my

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friends and me. And I just had it with them.

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And then once I started developing muscles and

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everything. They didn't pick on you as much anymore.

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Yeah. I was like, wow, what a coincidence. I

00:19:01.589 --> 00:19:07.160
don't think I want to mess with that guy. And,

00:19:07.220 --> 00:19:11.559
of course, like, when I was back in New Jersey,

00:19:11.660 --> 00:19:14.299
when I was living in New Jersey, I started in

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karate. And my move to karate went into Pennsylvania.

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And so I knew a lot of karate moves that I needed.

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I just didn't know the techniques. And I didn't

00:19:31.839 --> 00:19:34.390
tell them at the time, but I was like... But

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you carry yourself differently, probably. You

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have a different kind of confidence. Yeah. Yeah.

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And then once I got the muscles, it was like,

00:19:44.890 --> 00:19:47.789
oh, nothing. I was like, this is going to stop

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one way or the other. And I'm not saying I'm

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promoting violence, but my sensei has always

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taught me when in school, it's like if the bully

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is... lay a hand on you, you have the right to

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self -defense. And I was like, of course, I was

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like, you will, uh, um, you will, um, get suspended

00:20:12.049 --> 00:20:14.609
and get called down to the principal's office,

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and, but, and, like, even ask the parents, and,

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um, and he, he, he's done this every single time,

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and I've been with him for, like, oh, jeez, we've

00:20:26.769 --> 00:20:29.490
been... I've probably known him for like 13,

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14, maybe 15 years. The same sensei? Yep. Wow,

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that's awesome. I mean, like, he's a different

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one from New Jersey, but this one in Pennsylvania,

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I started out with him young, had to take, I

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had to... uh take a break from that for a while

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because the roles were different back then then

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years later i came back and i wanted to train

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again he let me back in and uh he still teaches

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all the uh other all the kids at his current

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program and everything i grew up with it it was

00:21:07.279 --> 00:21:09.920
like he had the right for self -defense and he

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lost the parents each time when he um tells the

00:21:13.819 --> 00:21:19.869
kids a story. He says, like, parents. Would you

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be pissed off if your kids was getting bullied

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and they stuck up for themselves using self -defense?

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And it's like, no, not at all. Right. You don't

00:21:30.710 --> 00:21:32.150
want your child to be an aggressor, but you also

00:21:32.150 --> 00:21:33.849
don't want them to be a victim. Yeah, but it's

00:21:33.849 --> 00:21:37.509
like if somebody lays a hand on you, it's like

00:21:37.509 --> 00:21:39.609
you have the right. It's like no one has the

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right to put your hands on you. Unless they're

00:21:41.250 --> 00:21:45.690
your parents. Right, right. And even that with,

00:21:45.690 --> 00:21:48.470
you know, with the limits. So it's like, so.

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so it's like you started you were being picked

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on for like the autism symptoms or like the things

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that look like autism because they didn't know

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the diagnosis necessarily but you're saying that

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because you seem different that's and then also

00:22:02.859 --> 00:22:06.579
being heavy and so then it sounds like you you

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started into fitness because it's like you know

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that's something that you could concrete that

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you could take care of to to avoid the bullying

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but then it sounds like you're saying that you're

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also had the additional benefit the fitness of

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like releasing the frustration and anxiety of

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it like from like like the google moment that

00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:29.680
you were describing like those kinds of moments

00:22:29.680 --> 00:22:32.599
that helps to like get that out of your body

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it sounds like yeah and there's any kind of frustration

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after like uh like i know for myself Every time

00:22:41.259 --> 00:22:44.900
when I'm in karate class, even though everything

00:22:44.900 --> 00:22:46.720
is on Zoom class and I don't have a punching

00:22:46.720 --> 00:22:54.759
bag, I always pretend like one of my, I don't

00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:58.339
know, I don't say an enemy, but the frustration

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in front of me, I'm just punching through it.

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Who's in line next? It also feels like it's a

00:23:05.519 --> 00:23:08.700
sense of control. like you took care of that

00:23:08.700 --> 00:23:11.420
one going on to the next one that's cool so then

00:23:11.420 --> 00:23:15.799
karate so it sounds like is karate the fitness

00:23:15.799 --> 00:23:17.319
that you're into or that's one of the things

00:23:17.319 --> 00:23:19.339
that you're into that's one of the things i'm

00:23:19.339 --> 00:23:21.740
into i wouldn't say i would want to ever become

00:23:21.740 --> 00:23:25.400
a sensei but i would like to get my black belt

00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:28.200
because uh when i stopped i was actually two

00:23:28.200 --> 00:23:31.240
belts away from my black belt and i was like

00:23:32.089 --> 00:23:37.569
I can't just end my career as this. I'd be like,

00:23:37.730 --> 00:23:40.690
yeah, I slept two beers before a black belt.

00:23:40.970 --> 00:23:44.250
Great. You've got to go all the way, right? But,

00:23:44.390 --> 00:23:47.369
I mean, honestly, I was forced to stop because

00:23:47.369 --> 00:23:51.549
the rules were different back then. Like, for

00:23:51.549 --> 00:23:54.900
instance, they wanted me to... a hundred push

00:23:54.900 --> 00:23:59.160
-ups and a hundred sit -ups and since I was you

00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:02.960
know obese for my age I was like uh there's nowhere

00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.579
I can do a hundred sit -ups in this and just

00:24:05.579 --> 00:24:09.940
like uh I think in a minute it was like we put

00:24:09.940 --> 00:24:11.839
maybe you can now though because you're in a

00:24:11.839 --> 00:24:13.839
better shape than you are oh hell yeah I can

00:24:13.839 --> 00:24:17.640
so you know Jimmy I'm not going to be picking

00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:19.559
on you in this interview because I'm scared now

00:24:22.450 --> 00:24:26.809
So it sounds like you have all the muscle and

00:24:26.809 --> 00:24:31.109
everything, and also cardio, I guess? Yeah, I

00:24:31.109 --> 00:24:34.230
like weightlifting. I do a lot of weightlifting.

00:24:34.529 --> 00:24:38.990
I do cardio. I also do everything on Beachbody

00:24:38.990 --> 00:24:42.630
On Demand because they just give me all the workouts.

00:24:43.710 --> 00:24:46.109
What's it called? Beachbody On Demand? Yeah.

00:24:46.410 --> 00:24:51.240
Cool. That's good. That's actually probably a

00:24:51.240 --> 00:24:53.000
really good resource during COVID, right? Because

00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:55.319
it sounds like it's an online thing. Yeah, and

00:24:55.319 --> 00:25:00.279
it's only $100 a year. That's awesome. It's cheaper

00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:04.160
than any gym. Right, and you probably get more

00:25:04.160 --> 00:25:07.720
classes. Yeah, right at the end of this, I'm

00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:10.019
going to put my daughters on their jujitsu class,

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which has been... I definitely prefer karate,

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kinds of. exercise and, like, fitness, there's

00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:23.299
also, like, this, like, mental, and you could

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tell me more, but maybe also, I do yoga, so I

00:28:26.299 --> 00:28:27.720
also think of, like, the mental and emotional

00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.019
pieces of it. Do you feel like there's an emotional,

00:28:30.420 --> 00:28:34.980
a sort of mental piece with karate, right? Yeah,

00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:41.940
there's a mental piece, like, for instance, basically,

00:28:42.099 --> 00:28:46.140
every time when you, you kind of feel like, I

00:28:46.140 --> 00:28:48.819
mean, I wouldn't say I feel like giving up, but,

00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:53.099
like, in class, when, like, you're... arms and

00:28:53.099 --> 00:28:56.059
shoulders are burning because you're right in

00:28:56.059 --> 00:28:57.940
your body and face and everything and keeping

00:28:57.940 --> 00:29:02.680
your hands up and everything right uh and and

00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:05.380
it's like and and and you throw one more time

00:29:05.380 --> 00:29:08.420
she was like oh my goodness since i did wearing

00:29:08.420 --> 00:29:12.759
and tearing right and i was like oh he's like

00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.000
can i do this and then and it's like and then

00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.220
right after uh we do like I think it's eight

00:29:18.220 --> 00:29:21.960
rounds of kickboxing. And we got right into strength

00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:25.259
training. It's like, oh, crap, here comes the

00:29:25.259 --> 00:29:28.000
push -ups. And I was like, I didn't do all this

00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.900
punching. Now I have to do push -ups. Are you

00:29:30.900 --> 00:29:37.920
kidding me? And so we do two. I do, like, four

00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.299
minutes of strength training on top of that.

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And so it's, like, all my arms, like, killing

00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:46.500
me. So, like, beyond the point that you think

00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:48.099
that you can handle and you just, like, keep

00:29:48.099 --> 00:29:53.420
going, right? Then I go, like, into, like, the

00:29:53.420 --> 00:29:56.579
super, like, I don't know, some kind of, like,

00:29:56.700 --> 00:30:01.079
I can do it mode where I was, like, normal. stopped

00:30:01.079 --> 00:30:04.240
me from doing this like marathon runners talk

00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:05.980
about like the runner's high like getting like

00:30:05.980 --> 00:30:07.940
that you're at the point of impossible and then

00:30:07.940 --> 00:30:09.859
you like then it kicks in like that kind of thing

00:30:09.859 --> 00:30:13.640
yeah that's cool so i've also heard like also

00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:16.819
with marathon runners that like that transfers

00:30:16.819 --> 00:30:21.819
to other aspects of life that like when not necessarily

00:30:21.819 --> 00:30:23.440
something physical but some like a different

00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:25.539
kind of challenge just seems impossible to be

00:30:25.539 --> 00:30:28.619
able to push through that so have you seen that

00:30:28.619 --> 00:30:31.029
kind of thing with that that carry over into

00:30:31.029 --> 00:30:33.450
other aspects of life that yeah definitely um

00:30:33.450 --> 00:30:37.369
there's i can you know i can say that there's

00:30:37.369 --> 00:30:40.890
some days i feel like uh giving up on some of

00:30:40.890 --> 00:30:44.609
my websites and sometimes uh i'm actually going

00:30:44.609 --> 00:30:49.509
i had i've been uh i'm not gonna like on to every

00:30:49.509 --> 00:30:52.529
single detail but i've been doing i'm knowing

00:30:52.529 --> 00:30:56.829
um newsletter company that just can't send a

00:30:56.829 --> 00:31:01.130
holiday newsletter out. And I'm like, I didn't

00:31:01.130 --> 00:31:04.630
know that's such an advanced thing for a holiday.

00:31:05.609 --> 00:31:07.829
I was like, it shouldn't be this flipping hard.

00:31:08.430 --> 00:31:10.430
That seems like one of the main things that they

00:31:10.430 --> 00:31:15.109
would be doing. And so I was reading, I read

00:31:15.109 --> 00:31:19.289
this business book, and I'll tell you the name

00:31:19.289 --> 00:31:23.289
of it after this. Sure, sure. I guess I don't

00:31:23.289 --> 00:31:24.710
want anybody to think, oh, I'm just promoting

00:31:24.710 --> 00:31:28.829
crap for no reason. Or any crap for no reason.

00:31:29.150 --> 00:31:33.329
Right, exactly. Or with a reason. I mean, it's

00:31:33.329 --> 00:31:36.029
a very helpful book, but... You can tell me in

00:31:36.029 --> 00:31:38.750
the messages after. It's not important to the

00:31:38.750 --> 00:31:42.069
podcast. So you're reading this book, yeah. And

00:31:42.069 --> 00:31:44.349
I just finished reading it, and what I really

00:31:44.349 --> 00:31:49.450
liked about it is that when he used kind of a

00:31:49.450 --> 00:31:57.150
quote, Apply it. I'll try it, apply it or burn

00:31:57.150 --> 00:32:01.630
it. Not like physically burn it, but I mean,

00:32:01.650 --> 00:32:06.210
and like he's referring, the person who wrote

00:32:06.210 --> 00:32:09.910
the book is referring to like, implement the,

00:32:09.910 --> 00:32:13.170
try a tool. If you like it, implement the tool.

00:32:13.289 --> 00:32:15.789
If you don't like it, burn the tool. And by burning

00:32:15.789 --> 00:32:17.769
it, I mean, just like, just don't get caught

00:32:17.769 --> 00:32:19.609
up in it. Don't get caught up in the cycle of

00:32:19.609 --> 00:32:21.920
like, Oh, let's do it differently. And I've done

00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:26.900
that for one tool already. And then after weeks

00:32:26.900 --> 00:32:30.440
back and forth, actually a year back and forth

00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.940
with this company, with email marketing, I set

00:32:33.940 --> 00:32:36.259
up everything last year the way they told me

00:32:36.259 --> 00:32:39.119
how to set it up. And yet it's still wrong to

00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:41.599
send it. And yet they tell me it's still wrong

00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:46.099
that it won't send up my holiday newsletters.

00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:52.619
what the hell there's a whole thing of last year

00:32:52.619 --> 00:32:55.420
and you tell me it's still not right yeah it's

00:32:55.420 --> 00:32:59.099
my fault and it's somehow still my fault and

00:32:59.099 --> 00:33:01.480
so i was like you know i'm done and it's like

00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:03.140
that's the thing like working online there's

00:33:03.140 --> 00:33:05.339
so much technology to learn i feel like i learn

00:33:05.339 --> 00:33:07.720
like three new apps every week it's just like

00:33:07.720 --> 00:33:10.099
i don't and i'm not good and i'm not good with

00:33:10.099 --> 00:33:14.750
these things Well, I learned basically the same.

00:33:15.589 --> 00:33:19.710
I mean, I'm pretty – I would say I'm, like, really

00:33:19.710 --> 00:33:24.990
good at technology. Jealous. May not necessarily

00:33:24.990 --> 00:33:29.549
teaching people, but – Oh, okay. Oh, well. I

00:33:29.549 --> 00:33:32.309
mean, I can try, but – No, no, I don't want to

00:33:32.309 --> 00:33:36.210
take up your time with that. But, I mean, like,

00:33:36.230 --> 00:33:41.940
I could literally – But I did learn a lot of

00:33:41.940 --> 00:33:44.539
new tools and I tried to implement some of the

00:33:44.539 --> 00:33:47.920
tools on my website. And it's not like it's hard

00:33:47.920 --> 00:33:50.779
or anything. The whole newsletter thing shouldn't

00:33:50.779 --> 00:33:53.859
be hard at all. It seems like that's one of the

00:33:53.859 --> 00:33:55.900
oldest of the technologies that you would be

00:33:55.900 --> 00:34:01.559
using. Sending newsletters. And I finally found

00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:04.819
this other company and just finished off that

00:34:04.819 --> 00:34:10.750
piece of stuff. I finally found one that basically

00:34:10.750 --> 00:34:14.349
is very easy to sign, and they have predefined

00:34:14.349 --> 00:34:18.070
templates, and I was like, oh, I'm done. I was

00:34:18.070 --> 00:34:21.869
like, I'm taking this whole week just to switch

00:34:21.869 --> 00:34:25.110
over. I was like, I'm still going to do my schoolwork,

00:34:25.289 --> 00:34:28.389
but I'm throwing this other tool. I'm burning

00:34:28.389 --> 00:34:30.590
it. See you. Bye. But that's a great example.

00:34:30.909 --> 00:34:32.989
That's a great example. The other thing is the

00:34:32.989 --> 00:34:35.909
whole thing about sunken costs. Do you know about

00:34:35.909 --> 00:34:39.239
that? yeah that concept so you like already put

00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:40.639
a year into this company so you could have been

00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:44.300
like i'm gonna make it work but just to be able

00:34:44.300 --> 00:34:47.699
to sort of accept i don't know accept defeat

00:34:47.699 --> 00:34:49.860
is that what you'd call it and then like but

00:34:49.860 --> 00:34:53.179
but not but like accept defeat in that moment

00:34:53.179 --> 00:34:57.139
but then find success in a different way that's

00:34:57.139 --> 00:34:58.940
a great example of like being able to take that

00:34:58.940 --> 00:35:01.400
ability to like push through a challenge and

00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.260
like I think the only thing that cost me was

00:35:04.260 --> 00:35:09.320
time because I was on my free plan. But just

00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:11.579
still, I was like, this is not even an advanced

00:35:11.579 --> 00:35:16.679
feature. I can literally schedule out just regular

00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:22.239
email in my own email app. And it will send automatically.

00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:25.639
But your company is just absolutely absurd. And

00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:31.099
I was like, this is old technology. This is not

00:35:31.099 --> 00:35:36.750
new. Yeah. So related to that, I want to, I want

00:35:36.750 --> 00:35:42.690
to ask you, am I in over my head? No, I mean,

00:35:42.690 --> 00:35:44.969
I think, honestly, I think just being alive right

00:35:44.969 --> 00:35:50.409
now, I think we're all in over our heads. But,

00:35:50.590 --> 00:35:55.909
but like from what you remember or what you have

00:35:55.909 --> 00:35:57.469
been reminded of by your parents, like, what

00:35:57.469 --> 00:36:00.969
do you think has been the biggest challenge?

00:36:02.159 --> 00:36:04.579
the biggest that's too extreme like some of the

00:36:04.579 --> 00:36:08.739
bigger challenges with autism uh i think one

00:36:08.739 --> 00:36:15.239
of the bigger challenges is that uh do you mean

00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.880
for me in person yeah from your perspective other

00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:22.659
yeah yeah from your perspective i don't know

00:36:22.659 --> 00:36:30.000
i think uh making friends um I've met a lot of

00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.159
new people through karate that I would consider

00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:39.400
my friends. That's awesome. I've had a lot of

00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:45.139
old friends. I've been one since I moved to Pennsylvania

00:36:45.139 --> 00:36:55.400
and one since third grade. That's amazing. And

00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:57.860
there's sometimes where I feel like I don't have

00:36:57.860 --> 00:37:00.940
enough friends, but then there's some days where

00:37:00.940 --> 00:37:05.019
I was like, I have plenty of friends. And sometimes

00:37:05.019 --> 00:37:12.079
I used to get caught up in the whole friends

00:37:12.079 --> 00:37:15.679
on Facebook thing. Oh, gosh. Oh, that's a black

00:37:15.679 --> 00:37:21.519
hole. But then I was like, wait, you know, I'd

00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:25.099
rather have a small group of friends. That are

00:37:25.099 --> 00:37:30.579
real. Yeah. It sounds like you do, though. Yeah.

00:37:32.260 --> 00:37:36.219
I like to say to people, I have a close group

00:37:36.219 --> 00:37:41.940
of friends. That's amazing. I don't. I have a

00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:47.210
close group of friends. I would say Those close

00:37:47.210 --> 00:37:50.449
groups of friends, I would consider them basically

00:37:50.449 --> 00:37:53.989
all my best friends. It's awesome. One or the

00:37:53.989 --> 00:37:59.929
other. And other people I meet, a lot of them

00:37:59.929 --> 00:38:03.429
become my friends and sometimes best friends,

00:38:03.550 --> 00:38:06.469
depending on if they stay in touch with me, if

00:38:06.469 --> 00:38:11.710
they don't. acquainted yeah all right i mean

00:38:11.710 --> 00:38:13.730
not to be rude or anything but it's like well

00:38:13.730 --> 00:38:17.369
i mean that's it's just reasonable yeah and i

00:38:17.369 --> 00:38:19.110
mean also being best friends with everybody just

00:38:19.110 --> 00:38:22.849
it's like being best friends with nobody yeah

00:38:22.849 --> 00:38:24.630
well i mean i would have a lot of best friends

00:38:24.630 --> 00:38:28.829
too and know me and know a lot about me than

00:38:28.829 --> 00:38:32.849
just like oh well we sometimes hang out and or

00:38:32.849 --> 00:38:38.170
sometimes talk and that's it and it's like So

00:38:38.170 --> 00:38:40.949
what do you think was the most helpful, like,

00:38:40.969 --> 00:38:43.849
over the years? Yeah. I think the most helpful

00:38:43.849 --> 00:38:47.630
over the years would be just having a lot of,

00:38:47.690 --> 00:38:51.190
like, getting to know a lot of friends, having

00:38:51.190 --> 00:38:55.309
friends know me inside and out. I can tell, basically,

00:38:55.429 --> 00:38:59.630
a lot of them know a lot of secrets. I mean,

00:38:59.650 --> 00:39:01.809
nothing, like, wrong or personal. I'm not going

00:39:01.809 --> 00:39:06.539
to make you share anything. I'm kind of just

00:39:06.539 --> 00:39:12.460
clarifying that. I didn't do anything. I didn't

00:39:12.460 --> 00:39:16.579
even suspect. I'm just kind of clarifying for

00:39:16.579 --> 00:39:21.539
the listeners. What kind of secrets does Jimmy

00:39:21.539 --> 00:39:25.960
have? That could be the next episode. I'm not

00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:28.659
going to take it out of you, though. You can

00:39:28.659 --> 00:39:31.889
do that one on your own if you want. Maybe. or

00:39:31.889 --> 00:39:35.449
not or not other secrets for a reason yeah that's

00:39:35.449 --> 00:39:43.210
your own private that's okay that's okay in the

00:39:43.210 --> 00:39:45.730
back of the drawer somewhere yeah and then way

00:39:45.730 --> 00:39:50.730
way back i'm wondering like how much like you're

00:39:50.730 --> 00:39:52.210
saying like it's hard to make friends honestly

00:39:52.210 --> 00:39:54.969
like for a lot of people it's just like like

00:39:54.969 --> 00:39:57.170
with the moving and everything and like we live

00:39:57.170 --> 00:39:59.559
in a society that's like not as stable as it

00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:01.960
was like i don't know like i don't i'm gonna

00:40:01.960 --> 00:40:05.179
pick a number like 60 years ago or whatever that's

00:40:05.179 --> 00:40:10.039
like a hard thing and then like i'm wondering

00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:14.519
how much the close family relationships made

00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:18.159
that easier like to feel like oh like you're

00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:19.920
you know you feel safe with your grandmother

00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:24.480
your mother your cousins like Oh, so you could

00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:26.659
recognize that feeling when you find it in a

00:40:26.659 --> 00:40:28.980
new person who becomes your friend. Yeah, definitely.

00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:38.320
Two of my cousins used to play football. One

00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:47.659
used to play rugby after football. These guys

00:40:47.659 --> 00:40:52.059
are not like... These guys are my two cousins.

00:40:53.130 --> 00:40:55.909
I mean, I have many cousins, but these two are

00:40:55.909 --> 00:41:04.030
not... I would say that... I mean, like, they

00:41:04.030 --> 00:41:08.409
literally are, like, my crazy fitness guys logo.

00:41:08.889 --> 00:41:12.409
I'm like... That's what they look like? Literally.

00:41:12.829 --> 00:41:15.489
I was going to say, like, rugby and football,

00:41:15.750 --> 00:41:17.289
like, I definitely don't want to mess with that

00:41:17.289 --> 00:41:22.050
guy. Yeah. Like, these... Like, they... I have,

00:41:22.130 --> 00:41:26.269
like... In total, I have... I think I have, like,

00:41:26.289 --> 00:41:29.650
18... I think I may have, like, over 20 -plus

00:41:29.650 --> 00:41:34.710
cousins in total. And, like, a few on my dad's

00:41:34.710 --> 00:41:38.849
side of the family and a lot on my mom's side

00:41:38.849 --> 00:41:44.150
of the family. And, like, these two, like, they

00:41:44.150 --> 00:41:49.949
play football, rugby, and I know when I'm always

00:41:49.949 --> 00:41:53.019
with them, I was like, No one's ever going to

00:41:53.019 --> 00:41:58.900
bother me with them. If someone tried to pick

00:41:58.900 --> 00:42:03.059
on me, that would be the biggest mistake that

00:42:03.059 --> 00:42:05.219
person would ever make. Is that part of what

00:42:05.219 --> 00:42:07.179
inspired you into fitness? You're like, well,

00:42:07.239 --> 00:42:09.599
if I'm with them, then nobody's going to pick

00:42:09.599 --> 00:42:11.880
on me. Wait a second, if I am them, then for

00:42:11.880 --> 00:42:13.699
sure nobody's going to pick on me. Is that part

00:42:13.699 --> 00:42:20.110
of what your thought process was? Well, no. I

00:42:20.110 --> 00:42:25.650
would say mostly, I think it would be, I have

00:42:25.650 --> 00:42:33.429
to say, I just wanted to be in shape, and I knew,

00:42:34.170 --> 00:42:40.650
I mean, I didn't really want to be all super

00:42:40.650 --> 00:42:43.530
huge and big and muscular, because I actually

00:42:43.530 --> 00:42:46.329
read an article the other day where this person,

00:42:46.449 --> 00:42:51.849
this I kind of lost track because I was standing

00:42:51.849 --> 00:42:54.730
in line in the freaking cold to go vote. Oh,

00:42:54.750 --> 00:43:02.809
gosh. Oh, to vote. Great. Yeah. They said...

00:43:03.550 --> 00:43:06.369
This article said, just because you're muscular

00:43:06.369 --> 00:43:09.690
and fit, I mean, muscular and have big muscles

00:43:09.690 --> 00:43:12.550
doesn't mean you're super fit. And now I'm saying

00:43:12.550 --> 00:43:15.510
my cousins are like, I would say they're super

00:43:15.510 --> 00:43:22.650
fit. But I didn't want to be like, I wouldn't

00:43:22.650 --> 00:43:27.849
want to have big muscles like The Rock because

00:43:27.849 --> 00:43:36.190
I have spinal stenosis in my neck. Like I can't

00:43:36.190 --> 00:43:39.989
do shoulder presses. I had to stay away from

00:43:39.989 --> 00:43:43.030
certain exercises. So I kind of have to stay

00:43:43.030 --> 00:43:47.929
kind of like in a medium to light heavy weight

00:43:47.929 --> 00:43:52.670
selections. So I give you a rest estimate. I

00:43:52.670 --> 00:43:58.250
think the heaviest I've lifted for my arms is

00:43:58.250 --> 00:44:03.829
like 20, 25 for biceps. For the back, I can do

00:44:03.829 --> 00:44:13.989
like 25s, 30s. For the chest, I can do like 30s,

00:44:13.989 --> 00:44:20.269
maybe 35s if I have it with a spotter. But I

00:44:20.269 --> 00:44:23.590
tend to keep it in that range. Like moderate,

00:44:23.849 --> 00:44:27.030
yeah. Because since I can't do shoulder presses,

00:44:27.050 --> 00:44:30.070
I can't want to block every single thing out.

00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:34.519
everything else up, and then it was like, what's

00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:37.139
wrong with your shoulders? They look like Play

00:44:37.139 --> 00:44:40.699
-Doh. I mean, they don't look like Play -Doh,

00:44:40.719 --> 00:44:45.019
but... How much of it do you think is that potential

00:44:45.019 --> 00:44:48.900
bullies see you and you physically look different,

00:44:48.980 --> 00:44:50.280
so they're like, oh, I don't want to mess with

00:44:50.280 --> 00:44:52.880
that guy. How much do you think is that part

00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:57.940
versus you feel different about yourself because

00:44:57.940 --> 00:45:02.739
now you've made a choice and succeeded at that

00:45:02.739 --> 00:45:06.380
choice about how you want to be like your own

00:45:06.380 --> 00:45:07.940
like what's in your own mind do you hear the

00:45:07.940 --> 00:45:12.199
question or should i yeah i think it's a mix

00:45:12.199 --> 00:45:18.920
of both um uh because uh of how i was feeling

00:45:18.920 --> 00:45:23.400
but about myself but i think i could also tell

00:45:23.400 --> 00:45:26.900
because i was i started wearing like tighter

00:45:26.900 --> 00:45:32.449
fit clothes just Not to show off, but just to

00:45:32.449 --> 00:45:40.489
scare them. By the way, there are muscles under

00:45:40.489 --> 00:45:44.949
this shirt. We all have muscles. Just some of

00:45:44.949 --> 00:45:49.550
them are visible. You need to put muscles in

00:45:49.550 --> 00:45:53.969
order to be sitting up straight. I was like,

00:45:54.010 --> 00:45:56.630
we all have abs, but is there something visible

00:45:56.630 --> 00:45:59.670
or not visible? Right, right. Maybe then you

00:45:59.670 --> 00:46:04.010
can't stand. That reminds me of, I want to come

00:46:04.010 --> 00:46:06.550
back to neuroplasticity because that's a lot

00:46:06.550 --> 00:46:08.650
of the topic that we're talking about. But before

00:46:08.650 --> 00:46:11.250
we go there, we're kind of interviewing each

00:46:11.250 --> 00:46:12.750
other. I'm wondering if I'm more interviewing

00:46:12.750 --> 00:46:16.250
you now. But this is something I'm interested

00:46:16.250 --> 00:46:19.789
in that I'm sort of interested in it peripherally.

00:46:19.889 --> 00:46:23.059
I'm reading a book about it now. But I don't

00:46:23.059 --> 00:46:24.360
think it's ever going to be, like, my area of

00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:27.639
expertise. I'm more interested in, like, the

00:46:27.639 --> 00:46:29.260
interactions between the parents and the child

00:46:29.260 --> 00:46:37.420
and, like, how that helps the child. But, like,

00:46:37.539 --> 00:46:40.460
working, you know, specializing in autism, like,

00:46:40.460 --> 00:46:44.119
diet comes up a lot. And I had one family that,

00:46:44.219 --> 00:46:46.239
like, whenever I would go there as the speech

00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:48.639
therapist, the mom was cooking something because

00:46:48.639 --> 00:46:52.030
of this kid's special diet. Is that something

00:46:52.030 --> 00:46:54.389
that you've explored for yourself? Is that something

00:46:54.389 --> 00:46:58.150
that you see value in? Like, what do you think?

00:46:59.090 --> 00:47:03.869
I don't really have a special diet. I mean, like,

00:47:03.989 --> 00:47:11.530
I tend, I like to say I tend to eat, I eat very

00:47:11.530 --> 00:47:15.190
healthy. I do a lot of cheat meal here and there,

00:47:15.289 --> 00:47:21.969
depending if I need one. Or want one. Or you've

00:47:21.969 --> 00:47:23.570
just taken a test on your birthday and you need

00:47:23.570 --> 00:47:28.829
something nice. I mean, I only do either sometimes

00:47:28.829 --> 00:47:32.929
once a week or just very special occasions like

00:47:32.929 --> 00:47:37.969
birthday, holiday. And even on that holiday,

00:47:38.230 --> 00:47:42.429
if it's Thanksgiving, I eat healthy breakfast

00:47:42.429 --> 00:47:48.280
and lunch. But not until dinner because... Usually

00:47:48.280 --> 00:47:50.739
if I go to my uncle's house, it's usually for

00:47:50.739 --> 00:47:54.159
late lunch, dinner, slash dinner. So I was like,

00:47:54.239 --> 00:47:57.039
no, I still need somebody to time me over because

00:47:57.039 --> 00:48:04.300
it's like, I mean, because that's my system for

00:48:04.300 --> 00:48:07.559
you. I digest very fast. But before when you

00:48:07.559 --> 00:48:12.280
were obese, were you, I mean, was it, I'm assuming,

00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.559
but you could of course correct me, that the

00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:18.739
diet wasn't how you're eating now. That's correct.

00:48:18.940 --> 00:48:25.099
I was eating a lot of pizza, candy. I think one

00:48:25.099 --> 00:48:30.940
of my favorite desserts would be, I mean, probably

00:48:30.940 --> 00:48:35.039
all my mom's baking and my grandma's baking and

00:48:35.039 --> 00:48:44.800
a lot of it. And I also like fudge. fudge places

00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:48.300
to get fudge so oh yeah of course they hand out

00:48:48.300 --> 00:48:52.440
free samples as well and i'm like i can never

00:48:52.440 --> 00:48:55.699
do this job because he wouldn't be able to sell

00:48:55.699 --> 00:48:59.619
anything what happened so did you get rid of

00:48:59.619 --> 00:49:05.400
the samples like i live in baltimore and i i

00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.619
had lived away from here for a long time But

00:49:08.619 --> 00:49:11.300
when I went to college here, and at that time,

00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:13.039
at the Inner Harbor, they had something, I can't

00:49:13.039 --> 00:49:14.739
remember what it was called, but it was like

00:49:14.739 --> 00:49:17.940
the singing fudge place. That might have been

00:49:17.940 --> 00:49:21.780
before your time. I wonder if they ever had it

00:49:21.780 --> 00:49:24.639
in Pennsylvania. But the people would make fudge

00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:26.679
in front of you while they were singing, I think,

00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:34.699
about fudge. Well, there's actually one place

00:49:34.699 --> 00:49:39.320
in Pennsylvania in new jersey uh that they make

00:49:39.320 --> 00:49:42.960
fudge in front of you and i was like i can never

00:49:42.960 --> 00:49:46.139
do this job or just eat the whole freaking thing

00:49:46.139 --> 00:49:49.000
yeah they would fire you because you would eat

00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:53.920
the inventory oh well oh well but so but between

00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:57.960
the time like so you have like the physical like

00:49:57.960 --> 00:49:59.539
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00:49:59.539 --> 00:50:01.019
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apply. See website for details.